Where have you guys all been anyway? Don't you look at VG Chartz numbers?

When Gears of War 1 was released hardware jumped around 100K more ( but  it's hard to say exactly since it's mixed into holiday numbers). Now when Gears of War 2 released two years later exactly November 2008, the X360 sold 200 consoles more (that's two hundred) then the week before and this is even during the holidays and Gears2 sold around 2 million first week, sequels are not system sellers!

Now Halo, Halo 3 released the X360 sold about 80K more consoles. Now I'll do Halo wars for the hell of it, when it released the X360 sold less during that week and the week after that it went up 15K then continued to decline. When Halo ODST released the X360 sold about 20K more during that week, a little bump. Reach will be lucky to do 50K more then it's release week.

Fable, when Fable 2 released the X360 sold about 20K more during that week. So following this pattern I doubt Fable III will do any better, slight boost that's it nothing special.

So obviously like I said sequels are not system sellers only big franchise games that's yet to be released on the console or new IP's. That's why my list of games for the PS3 didn't include Killzone 3, Resistance 3, LittleBigPlanet2, etc because there not going to be system sellers, they'll sell good but there not going to sell much PS3's.

Halo Reach, Fable, Gears will have a slight boost in sales then everything will return back to normal, the way it's always been. Also again a Slim X360 hasn't been announced so I don't know why everyone expects it, just because the PS3 did it doesn't mean the X360 will. And if there is a price cut which is possible it'll not be more then $50, which will do ok for the X360 but not great, Sony will likely counter with a price cut as well if this happens. And I still think Natal will barely move any hardware at all.

Last guardian is  related to Team ICO previous games which has a dedicated fanbase even if very low.

AGENT new IP but from Rockstar Sony will give it importance cause this is gonna be their big exclusive

FF13 Versus made many fans angry which didn't buy plus many fans bought on 360 so they will buy PS3 ro play this time

ignore lists?

i was debating sincerely

i made some assumptions but aren't they very near the ones that will be.

This site concentrates alot on predictions so can't i make one

reply with yours

You think Move and Nunchuck which are basically DS3 with a ball to be more than $60-70 in maufacture cost?

And PS EYE which is 3 years old and sells at $30 to have collectively with Move and Navigation to be $100 to manufacture?

then i can't say anything else.

Sony said they were already making profit from JAN plus more reduction with 40nm RSX

The thing with you is that you just assume things and give no reason for them.The best with you is to wait and debate after the results

Halo 3 moved over 140k consoles in just the first 3 weeks after it launched.

And again you really are out of the loop aren't you?  The 360 didn't get a cut last year, and the redesigned 360 has leaked mobo photos, Steve Balmer leaked info, memory card removal and then flash drive support came out, etc.  It's pretty clearly getting a redesign.

Also, only a $50 cut for a 360 yet you fully support the notion that the PS3 is going to afford another $50-$100 cut this year?  That's pretty rich.  The PS3 automatically costs ~$80-100 more than a 360 to produce because of bluetooth, blu-ray, and wi-fi.  And yet they are selling for the SAME PRICE!  Once the redesign is done, the 360 could slash $100 off without even trying.  Then bundle in Natal for just a $50 increase.  The PS3 on the other hand, even if it gets a $50 cut this year, will cost $100 to bundle in Move with the console (if they do the full move which is controller + sub controller + eye + game).  They may leave out the subcontroller and bundle it for just $80 more.  Either way, prices this fall will be this:

These are my predictions.  Feel free to quote me on this:

Arcade 360 Slim - $149 or $99 (with Natal - $149 or 199)

Elite 360 Slim - $199 or $149 (with Natal - $199 or $249)

PS3 base model - $249 or $299 if no price cut (with Move - $329 or $349)

PS3 larger HDD model - $299 or $349 if no price cut (with Move - $379 or $399)

Wii - $149

I think this is a thread for the extremists, I'm out.

I wouldnt be shocked if this happened. I am more shocked it has taken this long.

The nearer PS3 get to 360 the more are 360 fans defending Xbox status.


I wonder when Xbox fans will admit that its over. Maybe after gap shrunk to 3 Million ?


If PS3 will ever have a gap bigger then 6.25 Million again. I will admit that PS3 has no chance getting second place.

But if Sonys projections are 1 Million less then projected and Xbox BEATS its peak year by 500k they Gap will still be down to 2 Million until March 2011.

Yeah Xbox is able of good sales. But somehow people dont realize peak year Xbox 11 Mio Peak year PS3 13 Million until now. Even if PS3 peaked at 13 Million and it will sell every year less and less from now on. It would still beat Xbox360. If natal doesnt change everything its over. It has been over a long time for me since i knew if everything follows the rules it always do PS3 will catch Xbox360 sooner or later.

The scenarios for Xbox to win the race are not very likely: 

If PS3 has a mayor decline after September 2010 and will sell just under 13 Million lets say 12.5 Million and Xbox360 will be rescued through Natal and it will be mayor hit. So that Xbox360 will peak 2 years after its first peak. (Which hasnt happened before atleast idk any example for it). This would be the perfect scenario for Xbox. All other realistic scenarios point towards PS3. Xbox has to outsell its peak than ks to natal ny 1.5-2 Million units until march that would mean a mayor turnaround in Japan for Xbox360 (PS3 like sales) and exceed European PS3 sales and top USA sales in its best times and PS3 would have to sell  on 2008 level. But this wont happen never ever. Japan is totally lost for MS and this makes sure that the gap will diminish EU and USA could be the same for Xbox and PS3 but still they would loose because of Japan.  


I think Xbox has a chance to really stretch this thing if they sell as much as in 2008. But looking at Europe and Japan it seems absolutely unlikely for me USA cant make up for th ehuge deficits. I would bet any amount of money on the win of the PS3 and I doubt anyone here would bet with me since if they are honest everyone knows that PS3 will catch 360 sooner or later.

Natal is the only wildcard. But the effect of it has to he gigantic and tbh I really think everyone overestimates it. In my eyes Slim would have a far bigger effect on the Sales of Xbox360.
But the problem is Europe and Japan just dont like Xbox as much as PS3 (except Uk). Sales there are shrinking. And if USA will peak for Xbox massively and Europe and Japan are at 2009 level then Xbox STILL will sell less then PS3. its just highly unlikely that Xbox can turn around the wheel.

we are looking at several different selling trends here. so here they are. pick witch one will help sony or who ever. by the way. these are sells predictions from gamers on this site.

PS3 end of 2010 sells predictions

46m
45m
43m
40m

360 end of 2010 sells predictions

45m
46m
47m
50m

these are just the numbers i saw. so pirck the one that will help or hur the argument.

im not a fan of the 360 by any stretch of the imagination, but calling 360 fans out for defending there console is needless. PS3 fans have been definding the PS3 since its laungch. we've been on this fence for 3yr's. now is not the time to put 360 fans on the fence. lets take out victory with alittle pride and let the rest ride!

i think some of those price points would spell doom for the agenda and bottomline for the big three! Microsoft is already lossing money on the arcade (read it somewhere but im not debating it/its probably not true). i see wii doing more of a $279.99 if they do a price cut at all. a slim 360 is likely but i don't think so. and a larger hdd PS3 would be stupid for sony. god i hope they don't.

a PS3 better not cost $329-$349-$379-$399 if they want sells to keep improving. that would just be going backwards in price, and would not make mutch sence. if they want to sell move! it should be priced lower then $149 if they want gamers that already have the console to buy move, and it shouldn't increase the price of a PS3 if they want to get those casual gamers.

and as far as im consernd. when it comes to move! if it doesn't have two motion controles and a sub controler. then its not worth buying. most of the games they've showed off needed two move controlers so it would make no sence to not include two motion controlers.