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Lost tears of Kain said:
............Huge joke im guessing

If any ps3 or 360 fan were to post rediculas sales we get shot down, yet john lucas is big time supported

/sigh

 Its because hes John Lucas. Kind of like Kwaad has a massive fanbase.



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Three things for Nintendo if the Wii gets anywhere near 240,000,000 in sales

1) You can kiss that little 3000 employee count goodbye.

2) I am scared to think what the DS's sales would be.

3) Most probably no more playstations (but that's a whole subject in itself)



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I think John Lucas is being disingenuous or simply asinine.

He's claiming that the Wii will hit 60 million nearly TWICE AS FAST as one of the most successful home consoles ever, the ps2.



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Avinash_Tyagi said:
lol, well no, but there are approximately 450-600 million people in the middle classes of China and India combined, many of whom are becoming consumers of electronics, I believe the Wii could find great support in those countries (not to mention that salaries in those countries are growing pretty fast thanks to globalization)

 Number of people isn't the important statistic when considering market size for electronics. The relevent statistic is number of households.



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Danny355 said:

Dear Mr Lucas: I really disagree with you & I think you are slightly insane.

The Wii is unlikley to reach 20m by the start of 2008, as you still seem so sure of, more like 17-18.

Yes the Wii will remain huge next year, but it is not going to sell 60m in the next 12 months! Half that is possible though.

I think you are over-estimating the importance of Wii Fit. Excercise is not new. Excercise gimmicks are not new. Unfit people dont like to excercise. In fact unfit people hate excercise. Once people realise that its not a magic cure and you STILL HAVE TO WORK HARD, in a game or not, it'll trail off. It'll have an initial huge sales, for the first 2 or 3 months, maybe 6, but I dont think it will be particularly huge in the long term, I thin kit'll be a fad.

The Wii has EASILY won this generation. Its over, end of story, cya later.....But Will the Wii outsell the PS2? Possibly, but its chasing what is still very much a moving target. The Wii will have to move things up a notch and have the complete consistency the PS2 has had to do it. Personally I cant see it happening. The PS2 is still huge the world over with probably another 20-30m sales left to come. I think the Wii has probably shown enough promise to say that it'll beat the (now dead) PS1 though.

240m is crazy talk, 500m should have you commited.

 


 Actually, if you'd look at the numbers, the Wii will reach 18.5 by 12:01AM on January 1, 2008. WILL. As in, there's absolutely no doubt about it. No matter what, it will reach that.

 So 20m isn't that unreasonable at all. 22m is even within possible reach (although not very reasonable).



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ameratsu said:
I think John Lucas is being disingenuous or simply asinine.

He's claiming that the Wii will hit 60 million nearly TWICE AS FAST as one of the most successful home consoles ever, the ps2.
Well, it is selling at record-breaking pace. No system in history has sold what the Wii has in the LTD timeframe.

 



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As others have said, Nintendo isn't the type of company to make the kind of 110% commitment that would get them even CLOSE to producing 40 million additional Wiis in 2008. The company won't take unnecessary risks, and throwing the whole company off-balance to push it from 45-50 million LTD in 2008 up to 60+ million is an unnecessary risk.

Some have said that this conservatism is a fault of Nintendo's, but I couldn't disagree more. It isn't afraid of innovation -- look at the DS! -- and its games consistently raise the bar for the entire industry. Certainly, it can fall behind the curve sometimes (see: online) but overall I think its particular business philosophy is part of what has kept Nintendo in an industry-leading position for over two decades.



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Hyperion said:
Dear John Lucas

Are you smoking rock? Seriously...There is no way in heck the Wii is going to sell what you so confidently claim.

I'm fascinated by your predictions and your confidence, but I simply cannot agree with you. The reasons you give seem logical and rational, but again, there is noooo waaay.

60 million by the end of 2008--not a chance
50 million--a fair chance
Anything between your minimum and maximum sales for Wii--not on this universe.

I'm sorry to say this, but you will be wrong about your prediction, just as you will be wrong about your WiiFit prediction (believeing WiiFit can outsell Halo 3's launch sales is preposterous).

However, I must say that all of this is great entertainment. What will we do without your outlandish predictions?

Keep them coming.
 And he's going to be wrong like he was about the Wii before this gen started, right?  And he's going to be wrong like he was about the Wii being at 20mil by the end of the year, right?  Oh, yeah, he was absolutely correct in both of those predictions.  THAT is why John is so popular, because he's been right.

 



Johns 20M prediction; it still is possible, and note withoud the delayed production increase, Wii would easilly have hit the 20M. Also worth noticing would be, that in traditional way, how supply is diverted, Wii would have outsold 360 in NA, like John predicted, but Europe got supplied pretty good.
The 60M seems a little too high and i would go max. 50M. But, Wii will be launched in China, and Avinash gave good estimation of potential market size of China and India combined, so Chinese market (potential) equals the US market by size. Nintendo isn't going to China blindfolded, they have made plans for China, believe me.
So, Johns 60M prediction depends highly on chinese demand.

There's also one thing happening in world politics, western countries are demanding China to do something about piracy, it of course won't end it, but if China does something to it, it will have effect.

Wii has huge potential, and it may very well sell lifetime what John predicts.

@Lost tears of kain: Guess how many times John has been shot down. The reason why people are so interested in "Krazy Johns" predictions, is because his predictions seem to be pretty close, and that makes people to think he's even more crazy.

And who were talking about GTA being "HC" targeted game? It is similar series with Super Mario, it appeals to casuals as well as "HC" group, actually you can play them in similar ways. One of the reasons why it's considered so violent, is because of the "casual" way to play it, when you don't play missions, but instead you just steal cars and kill people. And as a "mature" IP, kids are very interested in it.



Ei Kiinasti.

Eikä Japanisti.

Vaan pannaan jalalla koreasti.

 

Nintendo games sell only on Nintendo system.

I'm saying 50m. Even that will be a challenge - going from 17m (in a fiscal year) to 30m - is anything but trivial (that comes to 2.5m/month).

Predicting Ninty will forecast 25m for next fiscal year - leaving a little room to up it a couple of times over.

Quick predictions (March '09)
Wii: 50m
360: 25m
PS3: 20m



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