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I end up selling my games. I don't see much point in hanging on to them once I've completed them. Plus I can then use that money to buy more games.

The only way to fix the problem is to completely use a downloadable system like steam. Presumably the digital copies will be cheaper. I have no trouble buying games off steam as they cost half the price of their retail counterparts, and the steam weekend deals are insanely good. Hopefully by next gen they will have an option download service that is cheaper than buying games at the shops.



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Soonerman said:
vlad321 said:
Do people in this thread realize that video games are not even close to being the same as a car or other such physical goods?

How are they not the same thing? They are my property. I bought my games with my money to use for my pleasure and I will sell them when when that pleasure is gone just like I do with a car, house, or any piece of property.

WHen you buys a game you don't buy the game you buy the bits, that's why Intellectual Property exists. When you can make me a carbon copy down to the smallest detail of a Ferrari, call me.



Tag(thx fkusumot) - "Yet again I completely fail to see your point..."

HD vs Wii, PC vs HD: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=93374

Why Regenerating Health is a crap game mechanic: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3986420

gamrReview's broken review scores: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4170835

 

vlad321 said:
Soonerman said:
vlad321 said:
Do people in this thread realize that video games are not even close to being the same as a car or other such physical goods?

How are they not the same thing? They are my property. I bought my games with my money to use for my pleasure and I will sell them when when that pleasure is gone just like I do with a car, house, or any piece of property.

WHen you buys a game you don't buy the game you buy the bits, that's why Intellectual Property exists. When you can make me a carbon copy down to the smallest detail of a Ferrari, call me.

Did you notice how you switch your whole argument to "you can actually copy a game but you can't copy a Ferrari that easy?!?" Wow, nice logic you have there. The point is that I bought a product for use. That product becomes mine the moment its in my hands. If I were to copy the game and sell it then I"m doing an illegal activity. When I sell something used, I am not doing an illegal activity. That is my right as the owner of that property. Try again pls



Soonerman said:
vlad321 said:
Soonerman said:
vlad321 said:
Do people in this thread realize that video games are not even close to being the same as a car or other such physical goods?

How are they not the same thing? They are my property. I bought my games with my money to use for my pleasure and I will sell them when when that pleasure is gone just like I do with a car, house, or any piece of property.

WHen you buys a game you don't buy the game you buy the bits, that's why Intellectual Property exists. When you can make me a carbon copy down to the smallest detail of a Ferrari, call me.

Did you notice how you switch your whole argument to "you can actually copy a game but you can't copy a Ferrari that easy?!?" Wow, nice logic you have there. The point is that I bought a product for use. That product becomes mine the moment its in my hands. If I were to copy the game and sell it then I"m doing an illegal activity. When I sell something used, I am not doing an illegal activity. That is my right as the owner of that property. Try again pls

I don't see how my logic changed at all. It's just proving you that you are buying a digital copy, not a physical copy, and you cannot treat them the same way. Again, I want you to show me how you can perfectly make a copy of a Ferrari, until you can then you have very faulty logic. I would LOVE to see you copy the Ferrari and try to sell it. I'd be your first customer in fact.



Tag(thx fkusumot) - "Yet again I completely fail to see your point..."

HD vs Wii, PC vs HD: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=93374

Why Regenerating Health is a crap game mechanic: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3986420

gamrReview's broken review scores: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4170835

 

I like to collect games and lately been buying more used stuff esp retro games that i was not interested in back then or just never heard of it till now.
I want a Physical copy I can keep on my shelf.

I still buy new games also.



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vlad321 said:
Soonerman said:
vlad321 said:
Soonerman said:
vlad321 said:
Do people in this thread realize that video games are not even close to being the same as a car or other such physical goods?

How are they not the same thing? They are my property. I bought my games with my money to use for my pleasure and I will sell them when when that pleasure is gone just like I do with a car, house, or any piece of property.

WHen you buys a game you don't buy the game you buy the bits, that's why Intellectual Property exists. When you can make me a carbon copy down to the smallest detail of a Ferrari, call me.

Did you notice how you switch your whole argument to "you can actually copy a game but you can't copy a Ferrari that easy?!?" Wow, nice logic you have there. The point is that I bought a product for use. That product becomes mine the moment its in my hands. If I were to copy the game and sell it then I"m doing an illegal activity. When I sell something used, I am not doing an illegal activity. That is my right as the owner of that property. Try again pls

I don't see how my logic changed at all. It's just proving you that you are buying a digital copy, not a physical copy, and you cannot treat them the same way. Again, I want you to show me how you can perfectly make a copy of a Ferrari, until you can then you have very faulty logic. I would LOVE to see you copy the Ferrari and try to sell it. I'd be your first customer in fact.

Oh, I'm sorry. A digital copy is different from a physical copy. Guess what? To buy that digital copy you need a physical medium. But hey, I guess when I buy a car I'm not buying the engine that makes it run!!! I mean, isn't that "intellectual property?" Crap, I just realize the body of a car can be an intellectual property! I guess I don't own anything with a car!!!!

Great logic there. You're still not making your argument why I should not be able to resell my games. 



I can see why developers and publishers would be upset. I know I see used titles on store shelves only a week after they are released. People who would buy the new copy choose to save a few bucks and buy the used. If games are then resold four times that is three lost sales which is a fortune lost on every game.

Example would be a title like the Conduit or RedSteel2. I wonder how many people bought the games used instead of new and how many sales were lost. Both games were hyped to death yet both titles lacked sales. I think rentals and used purchases probubly contributed to their lack luster sales.

As for hurting retailers and forcing retailers to go under. That is perposterous. BestBuy , FutureShop , Walmart , Zellers , Target all the major North American retail chains would still sell video games. A cease in used games would only hurt some retailers like GameStop or EBGames. Even those retailers could survive without used sales they just woudn't turn as large of a profit.

Infact I recently heard from Pachter that a retailer makes about ten dollars off of every new title they sell. But when they sell a used title they can make like 40$ at times pure profit. It is way more profitable for the retailer then the publisher/developer and that is sort of wrong as the retailer doesn't do any of the real hard work!



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I don't see how, atleast someone is getting the profit!



    

Gamespot, GAME etc ain't gonna buy your games for $48 a copy if there's no used market. That simply wouldn't be a viable business model, and then the developer would be bitching the retailers slashed their profit margins 8-).

With piracy, no money goes to the games industry - with second hand retail it does, albeit not directly to the publisher.



vlad321 said:
Do people in this thread realize that video games are not even close to being the same as a car or other such physical goods?

Obviously not, and they don't read the EULA either, as they think they "own" the game



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