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psrock said:
jarrod said:
psrock said:
jarrod said:
psrock said:
jarrod said:
Mazty said:
Nintendo could never beat Apple. Apple have better marketing and essentially better products. They may not be the best in the market e.g. their pad over others, but the build quality and accessibility are second to none. Plus they don't have any geeky stigma, especially with the iphone.

Nintendo makes better games though.  That's why they destroyed PlayStation this generation.

Nintendo did not make better games last Gen and the Gen before that, it's only this Gen they are starting to make better games, right ?

According to the market, yes.   The games on PlayStation and PlayStation 2 were preferable.  Now the games on Nintendo DS and Wii are preferable.

Sony made better games in PS1 and PS2 era than Nintendo but this Generation Nintendo is making better games thus the reason they are winning this Generation, right?

Who said anything about Sony?  I'm saying (in terms of the market) there were better games on PS1 than N64, and PS2 than GC.  Now there are better games on DS than PSP, and Wii than PS3.  

If you wanted to delve deeper, I'd also put forward that the best DS/Wii games, and the ones that have really driven the market, were almost all from Nintendo.  And the the best games on PS1/PS2, the ones that also really drove those markets, were mostly not from Sony.

Let me repeat what you said earlier " Nintendo makes better games though, that's why they destroyed the playstation this Gen" your words. Then you said the PS1/PS2 era the best games were not from Sony, right?  You are confusing me there. Sony still won two Gen without making better games than NINTENDO. In fact, they are losing badly the first time they realy competing with Nintendo when it comes to great games.

 

There's no confusion on my end, only misinterpretation on yours.  I'm saying Nintendo now, makes better games than everyone on PSP/PS3.  Everyone the previous two gens made better games than what Nintendo did on N64/GC.

You're wrongly equating Sony = PlayStation. That's rather obviously not my stance, and there's no inconsistency with what I've said.



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i don't think iwata said this , all he talks about is how much trouble he is getting counting his money, and then lots of charts that tells how fast is the money printing ratio have become.



I live for the burn...and the sting of pleasure...
I live for the sword, the steel, and the gun...

- Wasteland - The Mission.

Nintendo made better games from the standpoint of being more fun to more people. In terms of beating Apple, I'm not sure if being unable to win is the right assertion, remember that's what they said about Sony and Microsoft, which are still giants in terms of resources.

It's probably gonna be quite difficult though, and if I were a Nintendo or Apple fan, I'd flee dedication to either company as soon as possible.



jarrod said:
psrock said:
jarrod said:
psrock said:
jarrod said:
psrock said:
jarrod said:
Mazty said:
Nintendo could never beat Apple. Apple have better marketing and essentially better products. They may not be the best in the market e.g. their pad over others, but the build quality and accessibility are second to none. Plus they don't have any geeky stigma, especially with the iphone.

Nintendo makes better games though.  That's why they destroyed PlayStation this generation.

Nintendo did not make better games last Gen and the Gen before that, it's only this Gen they are starting to make better games, right ?

According to the market, yes.   The games on PlayStation and PlayStation 2 were preferable.  Now the games on Nintendo DS and Wii are preferable.

Sony made better games in PS1 and PS2 era than Nintendo but this Generation Nintendo is making better games thus the reason they are winning this Generation, right?

Who said anything about Sony?  I'm saying (in terms of the market) there were better games on PS1 than N64, and PS2 than GC.  Now there are better games on DS than PSP, and Wii than PS3.  

If you wanted to delve deeper, I'd also put forward that the best DS/Wii games, and the ones that have really driven the market, were almost all from Nintendo.  And the the best games on PS1/PS2, the ones that also really drove those markets, were mostly not from Sony.

Let me repeat what you said earlier " Nintendo makes better games though, that's why they destroyed the playstation this Gen" your words. Then you said the PS1/PS2 era the best games were not from Sony, right?  You are confusing me there. Sony still won two Gen without making better games than NINTENDO. In fact, they are losing badly the first time they realy competing with Nintendo when it comes to great games.

 

There's no confusion on my end, only misinterpretation on yours.  I'm saying Nintendo now, makes better games than everyone on PSP/PS3.  Everyone the previous two gens made better games than what Nintendo did on N64/GC.

You're wrongly equating Sony = PlayStation. That's rather obviously not my stance, and there's no inconsistency with what I've said.

 

 

Shouldn´t you replace `better´ with `appealing´?



Hero_time88 said:
jarrod said:
psrock said:
jarrod said:
psrock said:
jarrod said:
psrock said:
jarrod said:
Mazty said:
Nintendo could never beat Apple. Apple have better marketing and essentially better products. They may not be the best in the market e.g. their pad over others, but the build quality and accessibility are second to none. Plus they don't have any geeky stigma, especially with the iphone.

Nintendo makes better games though.  That's why they destroyed PlayStation this generation.

Nintendo did not make better games last Gen and the Gen before that, it's only this Gen they are starting to make better games, right ?

According to the market, yes.   The games on PlayStation and PlayStation 2 were preferable.  Now the games on Nintendo DS and Wii are preferable.

Sony made better games in PS1 and PS2 era than Nintendo but this Generation Nintendo is making better games thus the reason they are winning this Generation, right?

Who said anything about Sony?  I'm saying (in terms of the market) there were better games on PS1 than N64, and PS2 than GC.  Now there are better games on DS than PSP, and Wii than PS3.  

If you wanted to delve deeper, I'd also put forward that the best DS/Wii games, and the ones that have really driven the market, were almost all from Nintendo.  And the the best games on PS1/PS2, the ones that also really drove those markets, were mostly not from Sony.

Let me repeat what you said earlier " Nintendo makes better games though, that's why they destroyed the playstation this Gen" your words. Then you said the PS1/PS2 era the best games were not from Sony, right?  You are confusing me there. Sony still won two Gen without making better games than NINTENDO. In fact, they are losing badly the first time they realy competing with Nintendo when it comes to great games.

 

There's no confusion on my end, only misinterpretation on yours.  I'm saying Nintendo now, makes better games than everyone on PSP/PS3.  Everyone the previous two gens made better games than what Nintendo did on N64/GC.

You're wrongly equating Sony = PlayStation. That's rather obviously not my stance, and there's no inconsistency with what I've said.

 

 

Shouldn´t you replace `better´ with `appealing´?

In terms of the massmarket, I don't feel there's any real distinction there.  More 'appealing' is 'better'.



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So Transformers 2 & Bad Boys 2 -> Goodfellas & Departures (Okuribito) if we apply that same logic to movie's?



Hero_time88 said:
So Transformers 2 & Bad Boys 2 -> Goodfellas & Departures (Okuribito) if we apply that same logic to movie's?

Well given those films all released in different years (different decades even in some cases), I'd say your comparison is inherently flawed.  None of those films were in direct competition.



jarrod said:
Hero_time88 said:
jarrod said:
psrock said:
jarrod said:
psrock said:
jarrod said:
psrock said:
jarrod said:
Mazty said:
Nintendo could never beat Apple. Apple have better marketing and essentially better products. They may not be the best in the market e.g. their pad over others, but the build quality and accessibility are second to none. Plus they don't have any geeky stigma, especially with the iphone.

Nintendo makes better games though.  That's why they destroyed PlayStation this generation.

Nintendo did not make better games last Gen and the Gen before that, it's only this Gen they are starting to make better games, right ?

According to the market, yes.   The games on PlayStation and PlayStation 2 were preferable.  Now the games on Nintendo DS and Wii are preferable.

Sony made better games in PS1 and PS2 era than Nintendo but this Generation Nintendo is making better games thus the reason they are winning this Generation, right?

Who said anything about Sony?  I'm saying (in terms of the market) there were better games on PS1 than N64, and PS2 than GC.  Now there are better games on DS than PSP, and Wii than PS3.  

If you wanted to delve deeper, I'd also put forward that the best DS/Wii games, and the ones that have really driven the market, were almost all from Nintendo.  And the the best games on PS1/PS2, the ones that also really drove those markets, were mostly not from Sony.

Let me repeat what you said earlier " Nintendo makes better games though, that's why they destroyed the playstation this Gen" your words. Then you said the PS1/PS2 era the best games were not from Sony, right?  You are confusing me there. Sony still won two Gen without making better games than NINTENDO. In fact, they are losing badly the first time they realy competing with Nintendo when it comes to great games.

 

There's no confusion on my end, only misinterpretation on yours.  I'm saying Nintendo now, makes better games than everyone on PSP/PS3.  Everyone the previous two gens made better games than what Nintendo did on N64/GC.

You're wrongly equating Sony = PlayStation. That's rather obviously not my stance, and there's no inconsistency with what I've said.

 

 

Shouldn´t you replace `better´ with `appealing´?

In terms of the massmarket, I don't feel there's any real distinction there.  More 'appealing' is 'better'.

I think it's obvious why you're meeting resistance here.  For people who understand video game history and have great knowledge of software, appealing and better are quite different.  You are stating your interpretation while they have another one.  I think both are right.  The market finds the Wii and some of its games more appealing, but to "informed" people who comprehend the gamut of video game software, Wii games are not better. At least not the total domination you speak of.  For instance, there may be better portable music players, but the chance of them beating the ipod is minimal without incredible marketing. Quality isn't always the deciding factor, and too suggest otherwise is a bit irresponsible, I think.



Funny how these are the same Nintendo execs that were telling everyone one year ago that Apple was not a competitor ( and the Nintendo fans here got on everyone that was saying otherwise...)



PS3-Xbox360 gap : 1.5 millions and going up in PS3 favor !

PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !

jarrod said:
Mazty said:
Nintendo could never beat Apple. Apple have better marketing and essentially better products. They may not be the best in the market e.g. their pad over others, but the build quality and accessibility are second to none. Plus they don't have any geeky stigma, especially with the iphone.

Nintendo makes better games though.  That's why they destroyed PlayStation this generation.

if quality was what makes game sell better, Farmville would not be one of the most played PC games of all time...



PS3-Xbox360 gap : 1.5 millions and going up in PS3 favor !

PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !