I find it funny that the last independence polls in Scotland resulted in a majority wanting to remain part of the UK yet the same poll in England had a majority wanting Scotland to leave.

Alex Salmond would have a better chance of Scottish independence if he allowed the English to vote in a referendum instead of the Scots.

Personally, I think it would be hilarious if England left first and let Scotland and Wales be 'the British'. They'd love that, lol. We should allow them the opportunity to come back when they fuck everything up but this time we won't be making a new UK, they can become Wales-shire and Scot-shire in a new English Kingdom.

@ kowenicki

I'm starting to think a Lib/Lab coalition might be a good idea. Mervyn King said the next government won't see power for a generation after the cuts are made. Let Lib/Lab bring in the cuts, and watch as the nation turns against the pair of them.

Hell, no. Let them get into power, and the self-serving Lib Dems and spineless toad Mr. Brown will introduce PR. Then we can say goodbye to any Conservative government for a very long time. The last time one party got 50% of the popular vote in an election was 1935. It was the Conservatives, yes, but I very much doubt they'll be able to repeat it.

I mean, I'm all for some sort of electoral reform, but proportional representation is even more flawed than our current system. No, it doesn't "represent the people". Firstly, 23% of Britain just voted for it. That means 77% voted against it. Secondly, say 23% vote Lib Dem and 26% vote Labour. Nobody has voted for a Lib Lab coalition. And Gordon being aforementioned spineless toad, he'll do whatever Clegg (Clegg, with 57 seats) wants to get that coalition. That means 23% of the British electorate has got its way. 23%. The Conservatives are a lot more likely to actually stand up to Clegg and say "No, we're in power, we'll give you some decisions, but we are still the ruling party", rather than clinging on to the nice big house and £200,000 salary which doesn't belong to them.

I guess we'll just have to pray that Clegg has some sense of decency. Good news is, he hates Gordon with a vengeance. So if Labour and the Lib Dems do manage to get in, by some ridiculous stroke of luck, at least Labour may have a semi-decent leader.

Interesting fact: The Tories have a rather large majority in England. 297/532. 31 seat majority.

Add in Wales. 305/572. 19 seat majority.

Add in Scotland. 306/631... 10 seats short of a majority.

Add in Northern Ireland, with the 8 DUP, 314/649. 11 seats short of a majority.


We REALLY need an English parliament.

Yeah, I suppose if they get their paws on electoral reform they could fuck the country up even more.

i can't see anything except a con/lib agreement

the main thing is brown is finished,

its funny watching labour party people in the media talking like they are still involved,do they really think they have any move apart from getting rid of brown and electing a new leader,which effectively rules them out of anything right now,

I just read the BBC policy comparison article, and it reminded me of just how different the Conservatives and Lib Dems are.

This is worrying.

if labour wanted to reform the voting system,they just had 13 years to do it

we all know its about keeping power,obviously,but i don't see how it helps labour in the long run otherwise they would of already done it

why is brown still at No 10,let him go and challenge salmon for scottish PM,which he'd lose probably

Like you said, it won't help Labour. It'll hurt them the most. But Gordon is desperate- he knows he's going to be out of power soon anyway, and he's doing everything he can to keep it for a few months (he'll lose it at the next election, of course).

He might actually beat Salmond for the position of First Minister of Scotland. Labour destroyed the SNP in Scotland- mostly thanks to the fact that their entire Cabinet is Scottish.

yes they are different,but the conservatives are still the biggest party,which shouldn't be ignored

i don't think they will join but just agree to form a Govt,which will no doubt end with another election

i don't think anyone wants to work with brown and labour right now,

maybe clegg will get some,constituencies changed,like labour did,or an agreement on a referendum to the people,

not everyone would vote for PR,1st past the post is better if you ask me,best to have someone in charge than no one,