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FF13 ps3 vs 360 sales pt 2

it was better off with sony 235 67.14%
 
it was a good move to go multi plat 115 32.86%
 
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The Xbox Man said:
Xbbjf9s said:
WIzarDE said:
I didn't like this game at all so to me the money spent making this game apt for the 360 was a real stab on the back. Don't get me wrong I love both system's but I've been following this game since they announced it and there was all this talk about their amazing engine and all and I specificly remember them saying that it would be impossible to put it on the 360.

I mean how many f***ing promises squenix made about this game ... they didn't keep their word about anything :S

I am curious to know how the japs felt about the game ... cause to me most chars could use a DELETE ... and back to the sketch board :S

I understand man, the only character that seemed original (not a recycled personality) was Sazh. I did like the falcie though, i disliked them but pitied them at the same time.

Sazh was stereotyped to the point where myself bein a african american I felt insulted. Awful stereotypes, I can't believe they made him like that. He did improve later on. Every other character except Fang (terrible development) was fantastic. Again it was my first  FF so quite possibly most of them seemed unique to me. But when a franchise is 23 years old I would expected characters to be recycled.


Really? I'm AA too but he really didn't bug me (except the afro), now Barrett form ff7 was horrible. He seemed like the only character with some sense (Snow talked to damn much and constantly contradicted himself).



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Xbbjf9s said:
The Xbox Man said:
Xbbjf9s said:
WIzarDE said:
I didn't like this game at all so to me the money spent making this game apt for the 360 was a real stab on the back. Don't get me wrong I love both system's but I've been following this game since they announced it and there was all this talk about their amazing engine and all and I specificly remember them saying that it would be impossible to put it on the 360.

I mean how many f***ing promises squenix made about this game ... they didn't keep their word about anything :S

I am curious to know how the japs felt about the game ... cause to me most chars could use a DELETE ... and back to the sketch board :S

I understand man, the only character that seemed original (not a recycled personality) was Sazh. I did like the falcie though, i disliked them but pitied them at the same time.

Sazh was stereotyped to the point where myself bein a african american I felt insulted. Awful stereotypes, I can't believe they made him like that. He did improve later on. Every other character except Fang (terrible development) was fantastic. Again it was my first  FF so quite possibly most of them seemed unique to me. But when a franchise is 23 years old I would expected characters to be recycled.


Really? I'm AA too but he really didn't bug me (except the afro), now Barrett form ff7 was horrible. He seemed like the only character with some sense (Snow talked to damn much and constantly contradicted himself).

Sorry I don't know who barrett is haha. The way he was presented constantly bugged me, is that what the Japanese think of us? Snow like sazh put it was a "kid", his character was done very well, he was naive in points & made mistakes, thankfully we could rely on lightning to punch him into shape.

I am playing Final Fantasy XII right now and the characters are pretty boring for the most part compared to XIII but they are more realistic. It is interesting to see that 12 seems to be the diametric opposite of 13. Maybe thats why I'm not liking FF12 too much.

@huya

hehe



    
The Xbox Man said:
Xbbjf9s said:
The Xbox Man said:
Xbbjf9s said:
WIzarDE said:
I didn't like this game at all so to me the money spent making this game apt for the 360 was a real stab on the back. Don't get me wrong I love both system's but I've been following this game since they announced it and there was all this talk about their amazing engine and all and I specificly remember them saying that it would be impossible to put it on the 360.

I mean how many f***ing promises squenix made about this game ... they didn't keep their word about anything :S

I am curious to know how the japs felt about the game ... cause to me most chars could use a DELETE ... and back to the sketch board :S

I understand man, the only character that seemed original (not a recycled personality) was Sazh. I did like the falcie though, i disliked them but pitied them at the same time.

Sazh was stereotyped to the point where myself bein a african american I felt insulted. Awful stereotypes, I can't believe they made him like that. He did improve later on. Every other character except Fang (terrible development) was fantastic. Again it was my first  FF so quite possibly most of them seemed unique to me. But when a franchise is 23 years old I would expected characters to be recycled.


Really? I'm AA too but he really didn't bug me (except the afro), now Barrett form ff7 was horrible. He seemed like the only character with some sense (Snow talked to damn much and constantly contradicted himself).

Sorry I don't know who barrett is haha. The way he was presented constantly bugged me, is that what the Japanese think of us? Snow like sazh put it was a "kid", his character was done very well, he was naive in points & made mistakes, thankfully we could rely on lightning to punch him into shape.

I am playing Final Fantasy XII right now and the characters are pretty boring for the most part compared to XIII but they are more realistic. It is interesting to see that 12 seems to be the diametric opposite of 13. Maybe thats why I'm not liking FF12 too much.

@huya

hehe

I found it disturbing that snow looked 25 and serah looked like she was 11



Xbbjf9s said:
TheBardsSong said:
You'd have to be a fanboy to think it wasn't a good move. Sales on the 360 were excellent.


This was not needed

Oh, but it is. What other word am I supposed to use to get my point across? Are we going to ignore the fact the game was successful on both consoles? How is it not fanboyish to think it should remain exclusive after these sales?



TheBardsSong said:
Xbbjf9s said:
TheBardsSong said:
You'd have to be a fanboy to think it wasn't a good move. Sales on the 360 were excellent.


This was not needed

Oh, but it is. What other word am I supposed to use to get my point across? Are we going to ignore the fact the game was successful on both consoles? How is it not fanboyish to think it should remain exclusive after these sales?

Exactly stop complaining and play the great game im sure square sint complaining witht he cash they have made



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FantasySky said:
jbrist said:
Hmm, I guess, to be honest, if they kept it on the PS3, it COULD have sold more, due to the hypetrain, but as soon as they dropped the 360 bomb, the train derailed and the haters emerged from the wreckage, some of them boycotting the game and/or Square Enix entirely, lol...

So I mean, Square Enix should be happy that they've sold so many copies so far, but truth be told, there was always the possibility that keeping it exclusive would merit more sales...

this. also the ps3 sales wold hav been much bigger if it had any adverts lol


Not a single ad for PS3 version. The 360 ads were everywhere and the game was presented like an exclusive for one console.

Die hard fans bought the game. The rest ignored it.



Mad55 said:
TheBardsSong said:
Xbbjf9s said:
TheBardsSong said:
You'd have to be a fanboy to think it wasn't a good move. Sales on the 360 were excellent.


This was not needed

Oh, but it is. What other word am I supposed to use to get my point across? Are we going to ignore the fact the game was successful on both consoles? How is it not fanboyish to think it should remain exclusive after these sales?

Exactly stop complaining and play the great game im sure square sint complaining witht he cash they have made


Who the hell is complaining? I'm asking other users what they think.



TheBardsSong said:
Xbbjf9s said:
TheBardsSong said:
You'd have to be a fanboy to think it wasn't a good move. Sales on the 360 were excellent.


This was not needed

Oh, but it is. What other word am I supposed to use to get my point across? Are we going to ignore the fact the game was successful on both consoles? How is it not fanboyish to think it should remain exclusive after these sales?


No it's not it's childish, you can make your point without calling someone who disagrees with the game going multiplat a name of any kind. I like my threads to be free of crap like that, if you feel that the sales were great for the 360 that's great but calling people fanboys isn't needed.



I can't imagine how anyone can think it wasn't a good idea for SE, on so many levels.

First, this game is likely to top off between 1.5 to 2 million on the Xbox. Those numbers alone are impressive, especially for a JRPG on the Xbox. Considering that it was a port of a game they already made, using a cross platform engine, it couldn't have been too expensive to make either. Even cheaper if there were money hats from MS.

Second, exclusive advertising. Pachter recently pointed out that marketing is something half the budget of a game, and MS footed a huge part of that in the west, which is arguably the region it needed it the most. They could rely on the hardcore fanbase to know it was coming for the PS3 (they've been hyped for 5 years), so salewise what's most important is getting the word out to the Xbox fanbase who may not have otherwise bought the game. Besides, the brand association between the FF franchise and the Playstation is still super strong, so just having large numbers of FFXIII ads running (even those showing only a 360 logo at the end) would benefit both versions (seriously, it takes one second to google this info, or I don't know, see it with your own eyes in the store). And lets talk about a theoretical gamer (since we're all about this "what if" thing). Gamer A owns a 360 and PS3. He sees a commercial for FFXIII with the 360 advertisement. He says "wow, I haven't played Final Fantasy in years. I should check that out". In the process, he discovers that the PS3 version is better. PS3 version just sold one more copy. How is this not a great deal for SE (and for that matter Sony and MS)? SE gets free ads and the opportunity to grow a new fanbase, Sony gets their biggest rival to advertise a game that'll sell better on their system, and MS just made FF into a multiplat franchise and sold a bunch of games.

It's a good measure of what numbers SE can shoot for on the Xbox in the future, and it cost them very little money and risk with a good chance they'd make a lot of money. FFvXIII may or may not stay exclusive (I'd personally lean towards it being the same deal as FFXIII), but FFXV and XVI and so on sure as hell won't. This is a sizable market for SE, one that wasn't available to them before, one that has the potential to grow into something bigger. It's simple economics. I was selling 100 things in America and it was great. But hey, China wants to buy 60 of the same stuff. Great, I'm now selling 160 things, making more money, and growing a new market.

To point out two specific instances, I'd like to bring up the launch month NPD sales for FFXIII. FFXIII on PS3 sold about as much as FFXII did back when it launched. Great sales, considering the smaller userbase. A good indication that the franchise loyalists will go where the game is, and how much they were hyped for it. But the 360 version sold 500,000 copies as well (roughly 1/3 of the sales). Thanks to the 360 version, FFXIII outperformed it's predecessor by 50%. Now ask yourselves, would FFXIII, as a PS3 exclusive, have sold 1.4 million copies in the US in it's launch month? Would it have outperformed FFXII by 50%? Likely not.

In the UK, chart-track has shown that so far, the 360 version has had better legs, and the two launched very closely to each other. We don't have hard numbers, but it seems likely that the two version are essentially tied now, and possibly even selling better on the 360.

Those are two regional examples we have of rosy sales for the 360 version (in the 1st and 3rd largest individual game markets, no less). It doesn't change the fact that in the west, the PS3 sold considerably better, but the 360 version never needed to outsell the PS3 version to justify it's existence to SE, it just had to sell great on it's own merits. It has done that. It represents 40% of western sales.

Those are the reasons I believe that SE is happy with their decision. Feel free to disagree, but I'd appreciate it if anyone can list specific parts of the argument I made to disagree with. I enjoy a good debate.



Xbbjf9s said:
BMaker11 said:
twesterm said:
sorrowsfountain said:
square enix didnt sale any more games going multiplat. the people who did buy it would have bought it if had been exclusive. if they had made it a xbox exclusive the sales would still equal ps3+360 totals....or if they had moved it to the wii.
the point is its final fantasy the people who want to play final fantasy buy it...the same way if you want to play mario games you buy a nintendo

That's just...no, that's just horribly wrong.

No, actually not entirely. Look at the combined sales (360 and PS3) of former PS3 exclusives, and compare them to their last gen PS2 exclusive counterpart. The combined sales are about on par with the exclusive sales, no? 

At some point or another, I made the argument on VGC that going multi really didn't boost sales for most games, compared to their exclusive counterparts last gen. Look at Devil May Cry. Released nice and early in the PS2's lifetime, so you can't use the userbase argument. Sold 2.78M. DMC4? Combined sales = 2.54M

Now, I'm not gonna make the argument that 1.24M people who bought it on the 360 would've have bought a PS3 for it. But multiconsole owners....they would've bought it for the PS3, obviously. And *some* would've bought a PS3 for DMC4. So a sizable amount of people would have increased PS3 overall numbers for the game. Going multiplatform hasn't "expanded" the userbase for any game this gen. All it's done is split the sales that would've eventually happened anyway, at least that's how I see it IMO. Look at Tekken also. My favorite one to look at is MGS4. Stayed exclusive, in 2008 when the PS3 was "doomed", yet outsold MGS3. If it went multiplatform, I dare say that it would've only sold around 3-3.5M on the PS3, and maybe another 1M on 360...but the sales still would've equaled 4.5M at the end of the day.

But hey, like I said, this is just how I see things, and according to you, there's no possible way to quantify it


Your statemnet makes alot of sense, the combined sales of ff13 almost equal ff12

Or... it could be that it just takes two consoles to about equal what the PS2 sold... I mean... the PS3 isn't the PS2... it's WAY less popular.  By a lot.