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zexen_lowe said:
radiantshadow92 said:
PhoenixKing said:

1.)"No religion accepts us as the person we know ourselves to be. Rather, we are told that we are inadequate, unsatisfactory and helpless. We fear that this is so, and to give us hope 2.)we construct a fantasy about how we are superior to those who do not share our views.3.)On these grounds we feel entitled to force our views on non-believers."

Also, why are many religions against homosexuality?

http://www.vatican.va/various/cappelle/sistina_vr/index.html

4.Those images in the back are full of naked men and women casually acknowledging each other. This is a religious symbol in a very well-known chapel and it's full of homosexual images made many years before any of us were even born. So why is homosexuality unacceptable to some of the more narrow-minded religious followers?

1. There are tons of religions who accept us the way we are. Christianity being one of them. It is just that when someone does something wrong, they must be consulted. Countless of religions do not make you helpless, rather more confident.

 

2. It is not how they are superior, rather they wish for more to join their cause. I have never heard anyone in my religion say, i am better than you because i am Christian. If it does happen, it is because the person is a duche'. Not the religion. 

 

3. Again its the people. Not the religion.

 

 

4. At the time, that is what was popular in art. And it's not like the guy painted it to mean "hey its gay". 

 

The reason why its unacceptable to most is because the bible says so. The followers of Christianity simply take this to their death. Too add, homosexuality wants to be accepted in marriage when Christians feel it is their ritual. In marriage, a bible is read. It is normal to see how Christians can be angered.

Imo i do not think anyone should be homosexual. People say fuck it, leave them alone. But, what if the whole world was homosexual? We would cease to exist. Even if God was not real, if mankind follows his word, they would turn out perfectly fine. His laws are all good and mean well. Scientifically it is just not right for human beings to be gay. Some say you cannot lie to love. But what if we begin to love animals that way. Why can't an animal and a human be married? Why is it cruel? Because if we all did it, we would all be dead. IMO God simply did not want this to happen.

Something to Remember: This is my opinion and it does not mean i am an asshole or whatever (I get that alot). I have never treated any homosexual any differently than i do Straights, because i know its not my place to try and judge them. And just incase you did not get this, i am Christian >_<

 

 

Nevermind the fact that you're forgetting that homosexuality is just caused by some genetical and hormonal causes, much like, for example in the genetics case, blond hair or height or whatever you want. Therefore it's impossible for all the world to be gay since it's just not gonna happen naturally, gay people will continue to exist and be born, and straight people the same, and same with bi, and straights won't magically become gays or bi simply because they can't, and viceversa. Why in the world would we need to picture such world that's totally impossible to happen? Why don't we picture a world where everyone is a woman, or one where everyone is impotent, or one where everyone is missing one leg? Because it's idiotic to do so, then why imagine a world where everyone is gay? Your argument is totally pointless. Scientifically it's as right for a human to be gay as it is for a human to be blond or whatever trait you might want to come up with

Yes, some are caused by genetics, but imo not even half of them. If what you say is true, then all gay people should be born gay. it is not that way in the world. There are tons of people that will go from straight to gay to bi back to straight in a month, and its pathetic. I dont imagine this world, but what i believe is that God imagined it. And he did not want it. Just like having sex before marriage, God did not want sex to become a thing a pleasure, rather a form to give birth. Those things that you said about everyone one being women, or with one leg, are impossible. Because men and people with 2 legs exist (people having one leg would not be so bad anyways). Gays continue to grow, and i only use that to state why i do not beleive in it. Scientifically, it is not. The human body is MEAN'T to have an opposite sex to offspring, it could take centuries before humans adapt to the point where we are able to live otherwise. 



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Dgc1808 said:
I hate Religion...

I love it, i do not think we would have made it this far as a race if it was not for religion and the belief of a stronger being.



RockSmith372 said:
haxxiy said:
RockSmith372 said:
Since I am an agnostic, I have nothing against gays. I think gays should have the same opportunities as any other couple. It would empty many orphanages because all gay couples would have to adopt. Seriously, it would work out so well.

I think you are being a bit oversimplistic here - even for gay couples there would be race, sex and age preferences that would keep orphans from being adopted.

Not only that, in some years lesbian couples will be able to have biological daughters by ovum-ovum fertilization.

 

OT - I'm agnostic with some buddhist tendencies and I have nothing against homossexuals, and also I do not rant against religion simply because I'm irreligious. It is important to adopt a moderate stand. Extremism have always been linked with lower intelligence and lower lifespans :P

I agree, but it would be definitely be moving adoptions in the right direction. Lesbians are little more difficult to have adoptions due to being biologicallly capable of reproducing using sperm banks. I don't like to think that I'm an Extremist, but I do believe in civilization in which all people have equal rights to do anything without violationg other people's rights. Gay marriage does not hurt anyone.

Just as a side note, I’m not certain whether homosexual couples adopting would have any impact on orphanages.

I don’t have the exact statistics in front of me, but the waiting list for adopting a baby throughout most of the western world is several years long (4 or 5 years last I heard) and children that are too young to be in school are rarely orphans for longer than it takes to complete the paperwork on an adoption. Unfortunately, after the age of (about) 8 or 10 years old a child stands almost no chance of being adopted because people assume that these children are damaged; which is often the case. People are willing to go to the trouble of adopting children from foreign countries (where it is likely that the child has fetal alcohol syndrome and will be maladjusted and violent) than to adopt an older child.

I see no reason to believe that homosexual couples would not have this bias



radiantshadow92 said:
Dgc1808 said:
I hate Religion...

I love it, i do not think we would have made it this far as a race if it was not for religion and the belief of a stronger being.

As an agnostic, I have to respect religion for their use in history. Religion brought people together as a group. People with a common religion tend to work together. The problem today is that religions are so different and consist of so many people that they become stumbling blocks when it comes to uniting the planet, which is my hope. Fortunately, science and reason are allowing different cultures to be unified.



@RockSmith -

To be fair, its the ideology that separates people. Its not a matter of religion. After all, the biggest split of people and people groups during the 20th century wasn't Christian v. Islam, it was Communism vs. Capitalism



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RockSmith372 said:
radiantshadow92 said:
Dgc1808 said:
I hate Religion...

I love it, i do not think we would have made it this far as a race if it was not for religion and the belief of a stronger being.

As an agnostic, I have to respect religion for their use in history. Religion brought people together as a group. People with a common religion tend to work together. The problem today is that religions are so different and consist of so many people that they become stumbling blocks when it comes to uniting the planet, which is my hope. Fortunately, science and reason are allowing different cultures to be unified.

nah, you just think it is because you actually live where we are now. People back then fought about this just as much or maybe even more than we do now. There were probably alot of more religions back then trying to change to planet. Even if there was no religion, there would always be people doing this =/



radiantshadow92 said:
RockSmith372 said:
radiantshadow92 said:
Dgc1808 said:
I hate Religion...

I love it, i do not think we would have made it this far as a race if it was not for religion and the belief of a stronger being.

As an agnostic, I have to respect religion for their use in history. Religion brought people together as a group. People with a common religion tend to work together. The problem today is that religions are so different and consist of so many people that they become stumbling blocks when it comes to uniting the planet, which is my hope. Fortunately, science and reason are allowing different cultures to be unified.

nah, you just think it is because you actually live where we are now. People back then fought about this just as much or maybe even more than we do now. There were probably alot of more religions back then trying to change to planet. Even if there was no religion, there would always be people doing this =/

Good point, people will always fight over something.



radiantshadow92 said:
zexen_lowe said:
radiantshadow92 said:
PhoenixKing said:

1.)"No religion accepts us as the person we know ourselves to be. Rather, we are told that we are inadequate, unsatisfactory and helpless. We fear that this is so, and to give us hope 2.)we construct a fantasy about how we are superior to those who do not share our views.3.)On these grounds we feel entitled to force our views on non-believers."

Also, why are many religions against homosexuality?

http://www.vatican.va/various/cappelle/sistina_vr/index.html

4.Those images in the back are full of naked men and women casually acknowledging each other. This is a religious symbol in a very well-known chapel and it's full of homosexual images made many years before any of us were even born. So why is homosexuality unacceptable to some of the more narrow-minded religious followers?

1. There are tons of religions who accept us the way we are. Christianity being one of them. It is just that when someone does something wrong, they must be consulted. Countless of religions do not make you helpless, rather more confident.

 

2. It is not how they are superior, rather they wish for more to join their cause. I have never heard anyone in my religion say, i am better than you because i am Christian. If it does happen, it is because the person is a duche'. Not the religion. 

 

3. Again its the people. Not the religion.

 

 

4. At the time, that is what was popular in art. And it's not like the guy painted it to mean "hey its gay". 

 

The reason why its unacceptable to most is because the bible says so. The followers of Christianity simply take this to their death. Too add, homosexuality wants to be accepted in marriage when Christians feel it is their ritual. In marriage, a bible is read. It is normal to see how Christians can be angered.

Imo i do not think anyone should be homosexual. People say fuck it, leave them alone. But, what if the whole world was homosexual? We would cease to exist. Even if God was not real, if mankind follows his word, they would turn out perfectly fine. His laws are all good and mean well. Scientifically it is just not right for human beings to be gay. Some say you cannot lie to love. But what if we begin to love animals that way. Why can't an animal and a human be married? Why is it cruel? Because if we all did it, we would all be dead. IMO God simply did not want this to happen.

Something to Remember: This is my opinion and it does not mean i am an asshole or whatever (I get that alot). I have never treated any homosexual any differently than i do Straights, because i know its not my place to try and judge them. And just incase you did not get this, i am Christian >_<

 

 

Nevermind the fact that you're forgetting that homosexuality is just caused by some genetical and hormonal causes, much like, for example in the genetics case, blond hair or height or whatever you want. Therefore it's impossible for all the world to be gay since it's just not gonna happen naturally, gay people will continue to exist and be born, and straight people the same, and same with bi, and straights won't magically become gays or bi simply because they can't, and viceversa. Why in the world would we need to picture such world that's totally impossible to happen? Why don't we picture a world where everyone is a woman, or one where everyone is impotent, or one where everyone is missing one leg? Because it's idiotic to do so, then why imagine a world where everyone is gay? Your argument is totally pointless. Scientifically it's as right for a human to be gay as it is for a human to be blond or whatever trait you might want to come up with

Yes, some are caused by genetics, but imo not even half of them. If what you say is true, then all gay people should be born gay. it is not that way in the world. There are tons of people that will go from straight to gay to bi back to straight in a month, and its pathetic. I dont imagine this world, but what i believe is that God imagined it. And he did not want it. Just like having sex before marriage, God did not want sex to become a thing a pleasure, rather a form to give birth. Those things that you said about everyone one being women, or with one leg, are impossible. Because men and people with 2 legs exist (people having one leg would not be so bad anyways). Gays continue to grow, and i only use that to state why i do not beleive in it. Scientifically, it is not. The human body is MEAN'T to have an opposite sex to offspring, it could take centuries before humans adapt to the point where we are able to live otherwise. 

IMO? And who are you to say what causes homosexuality? Have you made a scientific analysis on the case? How do you know that not all gay people are born gay?

Gays continue to grow? If we agree that a determinate percentage of the human population is inherently gay, then yes, they continue to grow as mankind continues to grow. But it's ignorant to say gays grow at the expense of straight people. You only see more gays now because the society has progressed a bit and it's now possible in 75% of the countries in the world to be openly gay without any major consequences (hopefully), without being burned in a stake or stoned or whatever.

The human body is not meant for anything, not every human is able to reproduce, nor every human is even willing to reproduce. So everyone who doesn't have 10 kids is a disgrace for mankind? Why should I have kids? I could be straight, happily married and still not want to have kids, and it would be as natural. And I also could be gay, donate sperm and for artificial insemination on a lesbian woman and I'd still be gay, she'd still be lesbian and there would have been an offspring.

I don't see where you want to go with the birth argument when it's a complete non-issue when talking about homosexuality

 




RockSmith372 said:
Since I am an agnostic, I have nothing against gays. I think gays should have the same opportunities as any other couple. It would empty many orphanages because all gay couples would have to adopt. Seriously, it would work out so well.

please tell me you are joking. a child having 2 fathers and no mother would be the worst thing ever to happen to the child.



pizzahut451 said:
RockSmith372 said:
Since I am an agnostic, I have nothing against gays. I think gays should have the same opportunities as any other couple. It would empty many orphanages because all gay couples would have to adopt. Seriously, it would work out so well.

please tell me you are joking. a child having 2 fathers and no mother would be the worst thing ever to happen to the child.

Not true. While I don't agree in how easily it would empty the orphanages, as has been modified in a later post by RockSmith, it would be a step in the right direction. The worst thing for the child is to be left, unwanted, in an overburdened system, with no network of support for when they turn 18 and are kicked out of said system. These children aren't going to know what it's like to be in a loving family. They can't suddenly afford to live on their own, so they become a burden on another system, further creating a need for them to be dependant, rather than an individual. Whereas, say, an 8 year old gets adopted into a caring family with 2 fathers (or 2 mothers), then the child can see what love truely is like, and have a support to fall back on should shit hit the fan later. And when that awkward time comes, there's someone they can speak with. The only detriment I could see from this is some extra teasing from some kids at school, but if anything, it would make the kid come out stronger, and realize who his true friends are.



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