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I'm religious but that's not why I'm against homosexuality.

Also I don't know what religion you're in that tells you you're inadequate, unsatisfactory, etc. That isn't the case with Christianity.



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TheRealMafoo said:
Zucas said:
TheRealMafoo said:
Zucas said:
Whole tea party movement is based off this in fact of trying to figure out what America is and what doesn't belong (and on the more racial fronts of it, who doesn't belong). 

Sorry, but the Tea Party has nothing to do with race. That's the media trying to turn it onto something it's not.

 

Well inherently when you try to figure out what defines a certain thing, there are going to be some who mistake it as more a "who" doesn't define this certain characteristic.  See this in the Middle East all the time, but it is more of a religious barrier.  I'm not saying all of the Tea Party movement is like this, but when you discuss what they are discussing, there are always going to be the radicals that use it for racial discrimination, religious discrimination, and discrimination against immigrans/foreigners.  Geez I swear you were suggesting I said all of them like that.  Silly.

But this issue has been inflated.

For example, the racial slur that was said to be yelled at the healthcare vote.. not a single camera captured it, not a single congress men heard it, and not a single person who was there, said they heard it.

So there is a 99% chance it didn't happen, but every headline at every media outlet was talking about it like it was fact. This is the problem.

I head an interview from a black man who spoke at one of the largest events, and he said when he got done, and people came up to talk to him, not one mentioned race. No one said they though he was a "great black american" or anything like that. Just a great American.

They all wanted to talk about the issues, and no one them were about race. None of them ever have been.

Well remember all I'm saying is that when you start discussing what differentiates people, there are always some who in turn think that means who belongs and who doesn't belong and sometimes they do that by race, religion, and ethnicity.  Unfortunately, that's been quite strong for the past 150 years int he world.  I'm not trying to suggest at all that the entire Tea Party movement is this, or all of religious people are like this, just that it happens and history has shown us that.  And yes the media overexaggerates things haha.  I think we all know that. 



PhoenixKing said:

"No religion accepts us as the person we know ourselves to be. Rather, we are told that we are inadequate, unsatisfactory and helpless. We fear that this is so, and to give us hope we construct a fantasy about how we are superior to those who do not share our views. On these grounds we feel entitled to force our views on non-believers."

Also, why are many religions against homosexuality?

http://www.vatican.va/various/cappelle/sistina_vr/index.html

Those images in the back are full of naked men and women casually acknowledging each other. This is a religious symbol in a very well-known chapel and it's full of homosexual images made many years before any of us were even born. So why is homosexuality unacceptable to some of the more narrow-minded religious followers?

Sadly that whole quote is based on the flawed appearance that religious EXTREMISTS give.

A true religion, in my case Christianity (and definitely not Catholicism), teaches us to accept ourselves as we are, that God loves us as no matter what.  It does not say we are inadequate and helpless.  In fact it teaches us to be fearless and is there to better ourselves.  A true Christian would not try to act superior or force their beliefs on anyone.  Nor would they reject the individuals who are homosexuals.  After all, all sin is equal in the sense that any sin at all can be forgiven (again, not Catholic) by God's mercy.  I don't wanna keep going because I do not want to make it seem like I'm preaching when I'm not.  I just hate when things like this are spoken in ignorance.

True religion is about helping people treat everyone with care, concern, equality, respect, love, etc.

I hate how extremists like terrorists and some popular southern baptists and whatnot give religion in general a bad name when its true form is no where near such things.



nightsurge said:
PhoenixKing said:

"No religion accepts us as the person we know ourselves to be. Rather, we are told that we are inadequate, unsatisfactory and helpless. We fear that this is so, and to give us hope we construct a fantasy about how we are superior to those who do not share our views. On these grounds we feel entitled to force our views on non-believers."

Also, why are many religions against homosexuality?

http://www.vatican.va/various/cappelle/sistina_vr/index.html

Those images in the back are full of naked men and women casually acknowledging each other. This is a religious symbol in a very well-known chapel and it's full of homosexual images made many years before any of us were even born. So why is homosexuality unacceptable to some of the more narrow-minded religious followers?

Sadly that whole quote is based on the flawed appearance that religious EXTREMISTS give.

A true religion, in my case Christianity (and definitely not Catholicism), teaches us to accept ourselves as we are, that God loves us as no matter what.  It does not say we are inadequate and helpless.  In fact it teaches us to be fearless and is there to better ourselves.  A true Christian would not try to act superior or force their beliefs on anyone.  Nor would they reject the individuals who are homosexuals.  After all, all sin is equal in the sense that any sin at all can be forgiven (again, not Catholic) by God's mercy.  I don't wanna keep going because I do not want to make it seem like I'm preaching when I'm not.  I just hate when things like this are spoken in ignorance.

True religion is about helping people treat everyone with care, concern, equality, respect, love, etc.

I hate how extremists like terrorists and some popular southern baptists and whatnot give religion in general a bad name when its true form is no where near such things.

I wish all Christians were like you nightsurge.

To be honest the best Christian I know is actually a co-worker of mine who is a Jehova's Witness (I call her a J-Dub), she follows the spirit of the Bible (and the letter when it makes sense) pretty much 100% of the time, and is never obnoxious about it. But if she did want to get obnoxious, at least she'd have a leg to stand on since she actually acts like Jesus told her to.



Homophobia caused by religion, I hate it so much.

I've never understood why the Abrahamic religions try to justify their hatred towards homosexuals by quoting Leviticus. Outside of Leviticus 18:22 (Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.) their quotes get extremely tenuous.

In fact Leviticus is the only one you ever hear, yet you never hear any other quotes from the book of Leviticus, ever wondered why? Because the book is absolutely batshit crazy, and is pretty much completely obsolete.

It talks about how to beat slaves (after condoning owning them) (25:44),

It talks about how you need to burn the daughters of priests if they have sex (21:9), 

It talks about how all blasphemers should be stoned to death (24;16),

It states that women are lesser humans than men, in fact it drives it in constantly (27:7),

And it commands people to sacrifice a whole menagerie of animals for a whole manner of occasions (sacrifice Bullocks and Goats to prey, lambs for child birth, doves, turtles, etc) (16:15).


The list goes on.

Leviticus is a sickening book, and anyone who thinks they can quote from it to condemn homosexuality is not worthy of living in modern society quite frankly. Why? Because if you justify going against homosexuality by using Leviticus then surely you must condone the rest of the book. And if you think women are lesser than men and that blasphemy is punishable by death, then I don't want your hate crimes in my society.

It is not ok to pick and choose quotes to suit you if you believe the book is "infallible".

The homophobia exists solely as a tool of the church, it's like they have a vendetta against them. There is no biblical justification for homophobia, only the lies that the church has told its followers.

Also, Sodom and Gomorrah was not destroyed due to homosexuality, why do people think it was?



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meh, another arrogant statement by the most arrogant people in the world...




I really don't geta some Christians. How can they hate gays when they say they follow Jesus? I've read the new testament, Jesus was a loving fellow. He may not have agreed with gays but he sure as hell would've loved them and accepted them.



PhoenixKing said:

Also, why are many religions against homosexuality?

Religion is a man-made social construct and is influenced by social evolution.  For instance, a religion that made a society produce more children would be more successful than a society that resulted in less children.  Still, homosexuality is not looked down upon by all religions, in fact the Greeks and Romans were very supprotive of homosexuality, viewing the male body as superior.  On the other hand, Abrahamic religions are strongly opposed to homosexuality, and I think their history plays a major role in this. 

During the time that Judaism was forming, Hebrews were in constant conflict with surrounding nations, and the method to weaken enemies was to kill their males, effectively destroying that enemy nation.  Recall the story of King David conquering Edom and killing every male in the city.  In this type of social environment a high fertility rate produced from heterosexual couples and the ability to have multiple wives would be favorable, and thats exactly what happened.

There are other social evolution factors agaisnt homosexuality as well.  Homosexuals do not produce offspring so there would be no children to take care of them when they age, creating a larger amount of elderly poor.  Thats not to mention how economically beneficial it use to be to have a large number of children to help on the farm.



Rath said:
I really don't geta some Christians. How can they hate gays when they say they follow Jesus? I've read the new testament, Jesus was a loving fellow. He may not have agreed with gays but he sure as hell would've loved them and accepted them.

 

Leviticus 18:22: 
"You shall not lie with a male as those who lie with a female; it is an abomination."
Leviticus 20:13: 
"If a man lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination and they shall surely be put to death."

Leviticus 18:22: 
"You shall not lie with a male as those who lie with a female; it is an abomination."

Leviticus 20:13: 
"If a man lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination and they shall surely be put to death."

 

This is why.

 



Abominations make dem terrists run in feer.



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