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dual.soul on 29 April 2010
BenVTrigger said:
wholikeswood said:
Interesting that 343 got a mention at the end of the trailer, seeing as they normally work behind the scenes on the franchise. I guess with Bungie stepping away after Reach, we'll see 343 coming forward.

I actually hate this trailer, and that's purely because I hate the "nameless, bland soldier steps into a suit" cliche. That said, the music is as brilliant as ever.

Really pumped for Reach. Tempted to get a 360 for it and Alan Wake.

That's actually the point of this trailer though.  The Spartans are nameless and faceless for a reason.  Hardly anyone at this point in the war even knew of their existance, not even their own parents.  Their parents believed they were all dead, hence the the scene where Carter is looking at his parents photographs.  He knows that even if he survives the war he will never see their faces again.  Pretty touching actually.

Also he's a Spartan III who were litteraly suicide soldiers.  They were sent on missions considered even impossible for a squad of spartan 2's for the most part.  Hundreds of them were sent to their deaths and they all knew that they would die eventually in battle anyways.  They are nameless, and faceless, but the greatest hero's of the entire UNSC.

Being a Spartan means dissapearing.  It means sacrificing everything and getting zero recognition for it whatsoever.  Basically the true definition of a hero, not some JRPG flamboyant charisma filled kid like in many games now days.  Even though I love games like that the Halo universe can show a much more human side to their hero's, which makes them that much more powerful.   

When children are born, they are sent far away to distant planets with instructions to destroy the inhabitants of those planets and colonize it in the name of their species. One of these children, through a unforeseen accident loses his memory and as a result forgets his mission.

After overcoming trial after trial, he devotes his life to protecting the inhabitants of the planet he was sent to destroy. Even after his original mission was revealed to him, he defied orders and made the choice to defend the planet he had grown to love even though all that awaited him was certain death. The mark of a true hero.

After facing his own brother in a fight to the death (a fight that no one outside a close circle of friends would ever know about) with the fate of the planet in the balance, he managed to overcome the odds all for the sake of protecting people who would never know of his sacrifice.

Sound familiar? It's dragon ball Z. Even shit can be made to sound epic when retold.

This is the main problem with Halo. It does not have a good story regardless of what you might think. It has an extensive back-story that is never actually realized or experienced in the narrative. This is a very cheap way to tell a story, because all that stuff you mentioned is not part of the actual narrative; it's just a bunch of information you can discover in the game. That is not a story. You are simply reading too dedeply into it and as a result get taken in by bad writing. A story is much more than facts.



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calvinandhobbes on 29 April 2010
JamaicameCRAZY said:
well this is whats holding it back,

The script is written, but disagreements over distribution rights have repeatedly sent this project in and out of pre-production. Some of those involved have said the project is "dead", but Peter Jackson, the executive producer, continues to claim that this film will get made. In other words it's on hold.

The best thing about this movie is peter jackson is still on board and he wont let others mess it up. You guys do know district 9 was their first shot at doing the movie. It just fell apart so Peter gave 30 mill out of his pocket to Neill Blomkamp (pardon spelling, D9 director) and they recycled some of the stuff that were for halo.

I thought steven spielberg was rumored to be taking the project over? I would personally like to see both of them work on it together, but who knows. My bet is that they will have it made for 2011. 

The trailer was pretty cool, but nothing super. 



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Mendicate Bias on 29 April 2010
zero129 said:
Hmm so im a halo fan since the first one, but i never got around to reading the books.
So if i wanted to start reading the books what order would be the best way to read them in??.

1) The Fall of Reach (best one)

2) The Flood (I would recommend skipping this book entirely as its mostly a retelling of the events of Halo:CE)

3) First Strike (tied for best novel)

4) The Ghosts of Onyx (good read)

5) Contact Harvest (This is the story of the very first encounter with the covenant so technically this should be the first novel you read although its not necessary)

6) The Cole Protocol (not a fan of this one but its ok)

7) Halo Evolutions (This should definitely be the last one you read since its a collection of short stories from around the Halo universe and so is enjoyed most when familiar with that universe. This is also has some of the best stories ever told in the Halo universe, I'm a big fan of this one and definitely recommend it)



                                           

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Mendicate Bias on 29 April 2010
dual.soul said:

When children are born, they are sent far away to distant planets with instructions to destroy the inhabitants of those planets and colonize it in the name of their species. One of these children, through a unforeseen accident loses his memory and as a result forgets his mission.

After overcoming trial after trial, he devotes his life to protecting the inhabitants of the planet he was sent to destroy. Even after his original mission was revealed to him, he defied orders and made the choice to defend the planet he had grown to love even though all that awaited him was certain death. The mark of a true hero.

After facing his own brother in a fight to the death (a fight that no one outside a close circle of friends would ever know about) with the fate of the planet in the balance, he managed to overcome the odds all for the sake of protecting people who would never know of his sacrifice.

Sound familiar? It's dragon ball Z. Even shit can be made to sound epic when retold.

This is the main problem with Halo. It does not have a good story regardless of what you might think. It has an extensive back-story that is never actually realized or experienced in the narrative. This is a very cheap way to tell a story, because all that stuff you mentioned is not part of the actual narrative; it's just a bunch of information you can discover in the game. That is not a story. You are simply reading too dedeply into it and as a result get taken in by bad writing. A story is much more than facts.

DBZ did have a good story (well for a while), it just had a downright shit way of telling it. Even the best story in the world would become a pile of shit with bad presentation. You clearly have no idea about the Halo universe, the depth of its story or its novels. If you did then you would know that The Fall of Reach has been compared to some of the best science fiction ever written like Ender's Game and Ring World.

But of course disagreeing with the opinion of such a knowledgeable person who of course must have read every single novel on earth and is the end all be all critic of good literature is a no no. We all humbly submit to your crappy tastes in story telling oh great alt account.



                                           

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1337 Gamer on 29 April 2010

Sweet. Cant wait for the real game!



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dual.soul on 29 April 2010
Mendicate Bias said:
dual.soul said:

When children are born, they are sent far away to distant planets with instructions to destroy the inhabitants of those planets and colonize it in the name of their species. One of these children, through a unforeseen accident loses his memory and as a result forgets his mission.

After overcoming trial after trial, he devotes his life to protecting the inhabitants of the planet he was sent to destroy. Even after his original mission was revealed to him, he defied orders and made the choice to defend the planet he had grown to love even though all that awaited him was certain death. The mark of a true hero.

After facing his own brother in a fight to the death (a fight that no one outside a close circle of friends would ever know about) with the fate of the planet in the balance, he managed to overcome the odds all for the sake of protecting people who would never know of his sacrifice.

Sound familiar? It's dragon ball Z. Even shit can be made to sound epic when retold.

This is the main problem with Halo. It does not have a good story regardless of what you might think. It has an extensive back-story that is never actually realized or experienced in the narrative. This is a very cheap way to tell a story, because all that stuff you mentioned is not part of the actual narrative; it's just a bunch of information you can discover in the game. That is not a story. You are simply reading too dedeply into it and as a result get taken in by bad writing. A story is much more than facts.

DBZ did have a good story (well for a while), it just had a downright shit way of telling it. Even the best story in the world would become a pile of shit with bad presentation. You clearly have no idea about the Halo universe, the depth of its story or its novels. If you did then you would know that The Fall of Reach has been compared to some of the best science fiction ever written like Ender's Game and Ring World.

But of course disagreeing with the opinion of such a knowledgeable person who of course must have read every single novel on earth and is the end all be all critic of good literature is a no no. We all humbly submit to your crappy tastes in story telling oh great alt account.

That's my point exactly. I agree that the halo world is interesting, but the games have a shit way of telling the story and that results in a bad story. You shouldn't have to rely on the novels to make up for the bad storytelling present in the games. I might not have read every novel in the world, but I have read over a thousand. That is enough to identify bad stories.



Kenoid on 29 April 2010

My god, tubes!



                                  

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Mendicate Bias on 29 April 2010
dual.soul said:
Mendicate Bias said:

DBZ did have a good story (well for a while), it just had a downright shit way of telling it. Even the best story in the world would become a pile of shit with bad presentation. You clearly have no idea about the Halo universe, the depth of its story or its novels. If you did then you would know that The Fall of Reach has been compared to some of the best science fiction ever written like Ender's Game and Ring World.

But of course disagreeing with the opinion of such a knowledgeable person who of course must have read every single novel on earth and is the end all be all critic of good literature is a no no. We all humbly submit to your crappy tastes in story telling oh great alt account.

That's my point exactly. I agree that the halo world is interesting, but the games have a shit way of telling the story and that results in a bad story. You shouldn't have to rely on the novels to make up for the bad storytelling present in the games. I might not have read every novel in the world, but I have read over a thousand. That is enough to identify bad stories.

And thats where you show how little you know about the Halo games. The story is there its just not shoved in your face like other games. Instead of making you sit through 2 hour cut-scenes to explain everything Bungie took the Half-Life route. Heck if you don't read the terminals in Halo 3 you literally miss out on two thirds of the story. That is why you have no idea what your talking about, you never took the time to explore and find the deepest parts of the story.

Again I don't care if you have read a million novels, an opinion is an opinion and a baseless opinion is simply a pile of crap.

http://blog.ascendantjustice.com/halo-3/the-terminals/ 

You should probably read the above and actually familiarize yourself with the Halo story so you don't make an ass of yourself. Or is it the cool thing now to criticize half finished stories, maybe I should start reviewing games based off trailers



                                           

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dual.soul on 29 April 2010
Mendicate Bias said:
dual.soul said:
Mendicate Bias said:

DBZ did have a good story (well for a while), it just had a downright shit way of telling it. Even the best story in the world would become a pile of shit with bad presentation. You clearly have no idea about the Halo universe, the depth of its story or its novels. If you did then you would know that The Fall of Reach has been compared to some of the best science fiction ever written like Ender's Game and Ring World.

But of course disagreeing with the opinion of such a knowledgeable person who of course must have read every single novel on earth and is the end all be all critic of good literature is a no no. We all humbly submit to your crappy tastes in story telling oh great alt account.

That's my point exactly. I agree that the halo world is interesting, but the games have a shit way of telling the story and that results in a bad story. You shouldn't have to rely on the novels to make up for the bad storytelling present in the games. I might not have read every novel in the world, but I have read over a thousand. That is enough to identify bad stories.

And thats where you show how little you know about the Halo games. The story is there its just not shoved in your face like other games. Instead of making you sit through 2 hour cut-scenes to explain everything Bungie took the Half-Life route. Heck if you don't read the terminals in Halo 3 you literally miss out on two thirds of the story. That is why you have no idea what your talking about, you never took the time to explore and find the deepest parts of the story.

Again I don't care if you have read a million novels, an opinion is an opinion and a baseless opinion is simply a pile of crap.

http://blog.ascendantjustice.com/halo-3/the-terminals/ 

You should probably read the above and actually familiarize yourself with the Halo story so you don't make an ass of yourself. Or is it the cool thing now to criticize half finished stories, maybe I should start reviewing games based off trailers

I seems you're still not understanding me. Going to terminals to read up about the backstory is what i mean by simply being given facts. Having the story play out, like Alan Wake for instance, is called good storytelling.



Mendicate Bias on 29 April 2010
dual.soul said:
Mendicate Bias said:

And thats where you show how little you know about the Halo games. The story is there its just not shoved in your face like other games. Instead of making you sit through 2 hour cut-scenes to explain everything Bungie took the Half-Life route. Heck if you don't read the terminals in Halo 3 you literally miss out on two thirds of the story. That is why you have no idea what your talking about, you never took the time to explore and find the deepest parts of the story.

Again I don't care if you have read a million novels, an opinion is an opinion and a baseless opinion is simply a pile of crap.

http://blog.ascendantjustice.com/halo-3/the-terminals/ 

You should probably read the above and actually familiarize yourself with the Halo story so you don't make an ass of yourself. Or is it the cool thing now to criticize half finished stories, maybe I should start reviewing games based off trailers

I seems you're still not understanding me. Going to terminals to read up about the backstory is what i mean by simply being given facts. Having the story play out, like Alan Wake for instance, is called good storytelling.

No it seems you don't understand. Having the story play out through cut scenes is just one of many ways to tell a story. In your opinion having the story spelled out to you in a cutscene is better, for many other people exploring a derelict world to discover ancient terminals that unveil answers to long sought after questions is a far more immersive and superior option. 

Stop confusing your opinion for what makes good story telling with fact.



                                           

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