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hsrob said:
I read the first half a page and the last and I'm pretty sure I didn't miss much.

Nintendo didn't ruin this gen by now allowing a broad enough range of games on their system to suit your taste. If i was inclined to point fingers, I'd be looking at third parties who have, for the most part, refused to even give the Wii a chance.

Wii's system is underpowered because Nintendo couldn't afford to take a risk on both the controller and manufacturing a system with specs that led to exorbitant game development costs. Nintendo is a gaming company first and foremost and CAN'T afford to get into a pissing contest with much larger rivals who have multiple other revenue streams to back up any losses they make in their gaming divisions.

As for your claim that Nintendo's first party titles are lacking this generation due to hardware limitions, you are of course entitled to your opinion, but your opinion is crap and I feel confident that the general weight of opinion is with me on that one.

You seem to know little

Before the generation started. Nintendo was a 30 billlion doller company. The reason why they didn't make a system
more powerful was due to the fact that its main point was motion controls. They hoped that making the costs low would
get better 3rd party support and more excluesives. But to also to make it diffrent from everybody else. Just like how the
NES,Gameboy and DS were underpowered. They were just following what made them sucessful in the first place
Also GC was $99 and it was the 2nd most powerful system last generation. and they profited from that



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@killeryoshi so now we are late in the Wii's life cycle, what happened to that "beggining" talk? Not all PS3 games use sixaxis titling stuff, but not all Wii games use it either (tatsunoko and muramasa to name 2) so im not really sure what your point was and besides its on devs. to determine whether they want to use that feature or not, for both WII & PS3. As for MC+ yeah I got you, but lets keep it real, look how much people bought Sports Resort, a hell of alot so if your trying to say that there is a very small percent of Wii owners who have that "add-on" I think you need to look at the charts again. My point was that 3rd parties & Nintendo are not even trying. Thats the part that frustrating, you have a great add-on with a large user base and instead they want to put out a pulse monitor thing that will most likely be completly useless, unless your about to push up daisies???? whatever



Skeeuk said:
tjallern said:
killeryoshis said:
Galaxy wouldn't work as well on PS3 as wii. The motion controls are what make the game fun and its a experiance than can't work on PS3. Also the whole casual and hardcore split it a dumb phrase. What makes the 360 and PS3 more hardcore than wii?

Fail...

The motion controls are NOT what makes Super Mario Galaxy fun! At least not for me. Actually, motion controls play a very little part in the game.


correct.

id also like to add id much have prefered it to have classic controller support.

hopefully, with the new gamepad released, they may make thier core games that can be played with standard controller.

While I tend to advocate classic/GC controller support options for more traditional Wii games, I can pretty safely say I'd always prefer Wiimote + nunchuck for Galaxy.  Dual handed controllers are so much more comfy. <3

I also prefer Mario Kart with Wiimote+nunchuck actually, for the same reason.



Nintendo ruined this gen with Super Mario Galaxy 1 & 2, Metroid Prime 3, Super Smash Bros Brawl, TLOZ: Twilight Princess, New Super Mario Bros Wii, etc?

Let's be a little more grateful.



killeryoshis said:
hsrob said:
I read the first half a page and the last and I'm pretty sure I didn't miss much.

Nintendo didn't ruin this gen by now allowing a broad enough range of games on their system to suit your taste. If i was inclined to point fingers, I'd be looking at third parties who have, for the most part, refused to even give the Wii a chance.

Wii's system is underpowered because Nintendo couldn't afford to take a risk on both the controller and manufacturing a system with specs that led to exorbitant game development costs. Nintendo is a gaming company first and foremost and CAN'T afford to get into a pissing contest with much larger rivals who have multiple other revenue streams to back up any losses they make in their gaming divisions.

As for your claim that Nintendo's first party titles are lacking this generation due to hardware limitions, you are of course entitled to your opinion, but your opinion is crap and I feel confident that the general weight of opinion is with me on that one.

You seem to know little

Before the generation started. Nintendo was a 30 billlion doller company. The reason why they didn't make a system
more powerful was due to the fact that its main point was motion controls. They hoped that making the costs low would
get better 3rd party support and more excluesives. But to also to make it diffrent from everybody else. Just like how the
NES,Gameboy and DS were underpowered. They were just following what made them sucessful in the first place
Also GC was $99 and it was the 2nd most powerful system last generation. and they profited from that

Not sure where you got your 30 billion figure from as it was only 7 billion in 2003 and 10 billion dollars in 2008, which was after the start of the generation and the combined success of the Wii and DS.

Anyway besides the point, Nintendo have achieved their extraordinary profitability and huge cash reserves by not taking unnecessary risks.  Nintendo saw last generation the decline of profitability due to escalating development costs and, as you say, decided to make the Wii about something else.  To deny however, that there was a very real risk that Wii was going to fail is to deny history, there was barely an analyst in the games or business world that predicted any measure of success for the DS and Wii, let alone the huge success they have enjoyed.  The possibility that the Wii could actually succeed didn't even occur to people until after it's E3 showing, mere months before it's release, and long after most R+D and design decisions had been finalised.

For Nintendo to manufacture a system of comparable power and price to the PS3 or 360 would have required them to loss lead (Nintendo can't magically produce a system that is comparible in power and significantly cheaper to manufacture than the competition). That is to say they would have had to build a system that costs more to manufacture than what it sells at retail with a dollar loss associated with every system sold. In this model, profitability is a long term goal associated with ongoing software and accessory sales, combined with gradually declining hardware development costs.  If Nintendo had done this and then the Wii had gone on to sell at levels comparable with the GC, software and accessory sales may never have gotten to the point that allowed the system to achieve overall profitability.  Remember games cost much more to develop these days so the amount of revenue generated this way has lessened proportionally.  Just look at the 360, nearly twice the sales of the Gamecube and still how many billion dollars in the red?

Gamecube may have sold for $99 but show me evidence that it was profitable at that price point,  if it was, I would imagine it was only just so.  Keep in mind it only hit this price point several years after it's release.  We actually have no idea whether the Gamecube was even profitable as a whole, it probably was, but Nintendo financials just show us that they continued to be very profitable throughout last generation.  How much of this was due to the GC and how much was due to a little thing called the GBA is anyone's guess.

My point: If Nintendo had entered this generation with the Wii remote, which was a huge gamble, and a hardware and business model more in line with MS and Sony's offerings, failure in the market would have been a very big problem for them even with their huge cash reserves.   Sony and MS are willing to risk those losses for a long term goal, history would tell us that Nintendo isn't.

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oniyide said:
@killeryoshi so now we are late in the Wii's life cycle, what happened to that "beggining" talk? Not all PS3 games use sixaxis titling stuff, but not all Wii games use it either (tatsunoko and muramasa to name 2) so im not really sure what your point was and besides its on devs. to determine whether they want to use that feature or not, for both WII & PS3. As for MC+ yeah I got you, but lets keep it real, look how much people bought Sports Resort, a hell of alot so if your trying to say that there is a very small percent of Wii owners who have that "add-on" I think you need to look at the charts again. My point was that 3rd parties & Nintendo are not even trying. Thats the part that frustrating, you have a great add-on with a large user base and instead they want to put out a pulse monitor thing that will most likely be completly useless, unless your about to push up daisies???? whatever

Before I say anything more

Wii= late in the cycle
MC= We have a long way to go before we reach the gold standered


Anyway, You seem to know little on what nintendo is doing. They are trying to fill the hole on regualr mc
I yet see the regualar controller in its full potential. Out of all the games we have. The only ones that use
them as a big focus and are big hits are the wii seris. Every other game is still playing like last generation.
For example galaxy and Metroid prime use it well enough so that you won't go back to normal controllers
though not so much that it makes you think. "dang this could only be done on wii" Sure galaxy and metroid 3
do well enough that it can't be done on other platforms. Though it doesn't do much past that.

In short, Nintendo needs to get regular MC right so they can move up to M+
That way games that don't use M+ aren't gimped. So they should practice first. By making a ton of new
franchises that utlize the regular MC right. I mean have you seen the jump in games with
NES--> SNES. It was pretty big. Just compare them NES and SNES games

I hope for them to do so. Though does that mean abandon M+? No make games that use it to. Buy it shouldn't be the main focus YET




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scottie said:
pizzahut451 said:
scottie said:
pizzahut451 said:
CommonMan said:
pizzahut451 said:

 


 

in HIS opinnion, nintedo never made any excellent games this gen, you dont have to agree with you, but you cant insult him and call his opinnion a nonsense.

 

also,you can keep fixing my grammar but i wont change my writing type. as long as people can understrand what i mean, there is no need for me to fix anything.

 

So any opinion is a valid one? I could go around saying that you had murdered 9 babies, and you when people tried to stop me you would stop the, saying that it is just my opinion? And that I should be allowed to express it? Of course you wouldn't, some opinions are just stupid, and should be ridiculed.

 

It saddens me the way you treat our language - it should be a thing of beauty, not just a way of allowing people to argue with each other.

no, because you would need a proof that says i murdered 9 babies, thats not an opinnion. however ''nintendo didnt make a single good game this gen'' is an opinnion



Sony ruined HD gaming for me with their wannabe 3DO system pricing scheme.



@killeryoshi you have alot more faith in Ninty than I do, I just dont see them making any attempt to get the MC right. I mean its been years and I've seen no improvements except for MC+, they do have relevant games coming out this year, way more than last (a overpriced 2d Mario doesnt count), hell that new Metroid looks great and I dont even like that series. IMO Ninty has done all the can with regular MC or they make such a profit that they dont need to even keep trying. The only other Ninty console I have owned is GC so forgive me if i'm alot more skeptical



oniyide, I am intrigued, what is MC?