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Garnett said:
There are alot of broken 360's and there are alot of PS3's being used as Blu Ray players.

Don't forget the Wiis in closets collecting dust.  In fact the weekly software sales are probably just figments of our deluded imaginings.

OT:

- As someone has stated, replaced consoles can't be counted as sales by MS. They are just not allowed to do this.

-  I'll preface the next point by stating categorically that the author of the OP has no source for his failure rate and hence any conclusions he draws thereafter are fallacious

-  However, for a moment, let's assume that there are a large percentage of 360s that have failed and for some reason  aren't covered, or are out of warranty.

- Point is, if these people choose to replace broken, out of warranty 360s with new systems they still counts as sales for MS. It's no different from a person who chooses to buy two copies of the same system, whether the second system is used or even works, is largely irrelevant.

- Install base only matters in-so-far as there is potential to move more software but, and it's a big BUT, even if there are only 32 million actively played 360's out there it is selling a crapload more software per console/owner than Wii or PS3.

In summary, the guy has no source to back up his numbers and even if he did, so what, people like 360s so much they buy another even when the first one breaks.  Finally to call someone out for producing figures out of thin air doesn't necessitate the caller to make up numbers of their own.  I don't pretend to know what the magic number of failed 360's is, I just know enough to realise that the author of the OP doesn't either and shouldn't pretend he does.

 

 



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360 also has a year and a half head start with the largest holiday, 360 failure rate, all banned consoles, I would say PS3 could easily be ahead.



kowenicki said:
stewroids said:
I wouldn't go as far as saying that the PS3 is ahead of the 360 in terms of the number of people who own the console, but it is entirely possible that the number of 360's sold is exaggerated by 2-3 million due to people buying replacement consoles after their 360 went out of warranty. In regard of that though, the 360 does have a higher attach rate because many PS3 owners bought the PS3 as a blu-ray player instead of a gaming machine. In addition, the reason we have yet to see a PS3 exclusive approach the sales of a 360 exclusive is that PS3 owners are more diverse when it comes to taste; some may purchase an exciting adventure game like Uncharted 2, others may purchase a fun family game such as Little Big Planet. 360 owners are a bit more united when it comes to taste and hence we see the sales of software such as Halo 3 and Gears of War in the 5 million plus range. The only game that PS3 owners share a similar liking in is Gran Turismo (and MGS4 to an extent), which appeals to a wide array of audiences

using that logic the ps3 number will also be wrong by a similar amount... failure rate of 8%, but only a 1 year warranty....

Ahhh...touche, wise sir, touche...



dirkd2323 said:
360 also has a year and a half head start with the largest holiday, 360 failure rate, all banned consoles, I would say PS3 could easily be ahead.

Apparently you still haven't gotten the memo:

 

Memorandum

April 21, 2010

RE:  Install Base Comparison

360 ATTACH RATE! HELLO?!



Well neee neee gnooo gnooo.... we don't know exactly how many had been replaced rather than repurchased, do we? I would say likely almost all of them with issues had been replaced.



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Damnyouall said:

What's with the ad hominem attacks? Are we going to to talk about typos next? So far I have seen nothing in this thread that disproves the OP.


How about this? My analysis:

PS3 is only at 30.4 Million, since 8% of PS3's fail (so 33 million * .92 = 30.36) and they only have a 1 year warranty, most of them died out of warranty and have thus been replaced by the owner.

360 is actually at around 38.5 million, because they instituted the 3 year warrany in 2006 and only a small amount could have died outside of the warranty that just started expiring. So we can assume that MS replaced the vast majority of them under the warranty, and DID NOT count those as sales.

So the difference in installed base is actually 8.2 million in favor of the 360.

NOW, prove me wrong. You can't of course because this is all based on bad math and speculation, just like the FORUM POST in the OP. You can't prove nonsense wrong, because it's nonsense.



Damnyouall said:
Chairman-Mao said:
Replacement consoles are still sales. You can't just subtract them and forget about them. Even if this article is right and 9 million 360 sales are replacements that doesn't change anything.

Really? In the case of Xbox 360, there seems to be a growing discrepancy between consoles sold and install base.

Example:
1) A new console is released. Two people buy it. Install base: 2
2) After the warranty is over, the console of one person breaks and they buy a replacement. Install base: 2

First of all, even the PS2 (of which early models had a similar failure rate the the X360) I would find difficulty believing more than 5 million people had just bought another when the first broke, and it's install base is huge.

Second of all, the money was still spent on the machine for those few people who have just bought more than 1.

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In my opinion I doubt there are more than 1 million X360s that were replaced by the person themselves.



The PS3 sells more software, which is the ultimate goal in their razor and blades business model.



supercat said:
The PS3 sells more software, which is the ultimate goal in their razor and blades business model.

I. . .

But. . .

wut?



kowenicki said:
supercat said:
The PS3 sells more software, which is the ultimate goal in their razor and blades business model.


it does?

 

Yes have you scanned the weekly WW  software sales lately?