This is it isnt it.  MS must really be jealous that they dont have a title that everyone who purchases it also purchases a new PS3.

Oh and as for the "Future Proof" argument. It is nonsense. A console with slightly more powerful CPU, slightly less powerful GPU, larger optical drive storage capacity, and far more difficult architecture to program for is not "Future Proof".  If you really look at it the GameCube has been the most "Future Proof" console of the last 10 years. They took the GameCube basically added Motion Controls and boom we have the Wii.

It will be hard for Sony to counter what MS can easily do this year.  The PS3 needs to start being a profitable part of the videogame business. PSP is dropping like a rock. PS2 isnt the money machine it was before. So PS3 profitability really needs to drive the business.

the PS3 is built for a 10 year life cycle, it shows that the minds behind SONY have a vision of foresight. Jus say if M$ release the slim and of course the introduction of NATAL, it wont make any difference in the end PS3 will get ahead as usual. as i said before only in the STATES 360 will have a so call strong hold but not world wide not now not ever.

When slim was released at 299 it was more than 400k.Anywhere near?Pls.check data for march,february,january....every week

ps3 outsold 360 by 70-100k+ WORLDWIDE(4,5 weeks in month its somewhere 300-400k at least monthly),lets say this pattern stays the same

4 next 12 months thats 3.5 millions(assume it sells 300k more monthly).Im not saying this gonna happen 100%,just IF it happens.

Also launching earlier has much more advantages than disadvantages,its only  ms poor hardware handling that put them in this situation but still ey did a great work thx to earlier launch.Sony also had HW problems even with later start and lets say longer testing(my 60gb ps3 died from ylod).

Im just saying that 360 and ps3 sales should be compared in same time on market,ok 360 was launched earlier,lets give ps3 longer time on same market,and THEN compare total sales.By some of ur logic ms can announce x720 next month and ey d be declared as winers.

I hope the 360 stays in front of the PS3 for as long as possible and prove the doubters wrong again. The 360 is not going to give up without a fight and Microsoft has a few more tricks up its sleeve. 360 Slim, Halo:Reach, Gears of War 3, Project:Natal and Milo. More price cuts and possible revision of the XBox 360 with a system upgrade.

Console	Yearly	Total
	18,777,226 (+12%)	97,612,542
	10,934,384 (+283%)	13,791,771
	9,547,759 (+1,936%)	10,016,647
	8,761,110 (-48%)	71,670,245
	3,624,725 (-48%)	23,477,843
	2,738,456 (-38%)	20,318,656
	1,173,809 (-)	1,173,809
	14,061 (-82%)	19,362,986

Chart above: Year 2005. The PS2 finishes its 5th year in the (worldwide market) on top, selling 12% up YOY. The Xbox 360, a more technically advanced console launches on November and fails to cause an inmediate impact on consumers. Did a new generation start at the end of 2005? From a TECHNICAL standpoint the new Xbox was annoucing the  upcoming arrival of a new hardware generation, but from a MARKET standpoint the consumers spoke with their wallets. The tendency still favors the PS2, dominantly. The consumers are not moving on to new hardware.

Console	Yearly	Total
	20,570,506 (+88%)	34,362,277
	13,661,322 (-27%)	111,273,864
	9,352,063 (-2%)	19,368,710
	6,756,463 (+476%)	7,930,272
	5,553,026 (-37%)	77,223,271
	2,932,010 (-)	2,932,010
	1,232,194 (-)	1,232,194
	1,005,041 (-63%)	21,323,697
	704,809 (-81%)	24,182,652

Chart above: Year 2006. The PS2, the current market leader, finishes its 6th year in the (worldwide) market down 27% YOY. The Xbox 360 sales are amazingly up this year since its debut at the end of the previous year was very unimpressive, but now after over 13 months in the market it has amassed a solid installed base. Sony launches the PS3 and it fails to cause an inmediate impact on consumers, with a lackluster launch comparable to that of the 360 and previous less fortunate consoles in history.

However the real show is somewhere else. On November 19, Nintendo launches their new console "Wii" and in a matter of little over a month it sells approximately 3 million units. Many touted the Wii as a "fad" that would soon pass. The rest is history.

Enter 2007.

According to the NPD Group, the Wii sold more units in the United States than the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 combined in the first half of 2007.

Now I will repeat what I said a few pages back in this thread.

A NEW GENERATION STARTED IN THE BEGINNING OF 2007.  THE WII IS THE CURRENT LEADER. WHEN THE CONSUMERS DECIDE FOR A NEW CONSOLE TO LEAD THEN A NEW GENERATION WILL START. COMPANIES CAN/WILL LAUNCH ALL THE NEW HARDWARE THEY WANT, IT'S THE CONSUMER WHO DECIDES WHEN A NEW GENERATION STARTS AND ENDS.

Foresight? They lost the profit of the entire PS2 era on the PS3. It is billions in the hole. It will take it's 10 year lifecycle to break even. You call that foresight?

"In the end PS3 will get ahead as usual."  or that the 360 wouldn't be stronger worldwide "not now not ever"?

I hate to tell you, but look how far the PS3 is behind the 360. Same picture as 3 years ago. Sony has only won a single generation over Microsoft, and Microsoft took them down several pegs this generation. The only introduction that noone cares about is PS Move - Natal is actually poised to move some consoles.

maybe you should check the last 10 weeks or so. not even close to 70-100k+ a week

WW differance

13/02 14k

20/02 23k

27/02 55k

6/03 29k

13/03 69k

20/03 75k

27/03 88k

03/04 72k

10/04 47k

thats an average of 52k a week

your also saying around 400k a month. an averge of 52k brings it to just over 200k.

please dont tell other people to look at chartz when your the one pulling sh*t out of your a*s

^he didn't say 400k, he clearly stated around 300K

"4 next 12 months thats 3.5 millions(assume it sells 300k more monthly).Im not saying this gonna happen 100%,just IF it happens"


He did say that around the slim release it was around 400K a month, and I'm sure that's so true you'd better not look if you're afraid it'll hurt your feelings...

look agian in his first post he says its curently been selling 400k,500k more then 360 a month. and in his second he says its been out selling the 360 by 300-400k AT LEAST. he also says its been selling 70k to 100k+ each week wich comes out to 280k to 400k AT LEAST. the part your queting is were he is saying what it might sell in the FUTURE i was CLEARLY talking about the PAST.

"current ration ps3 outsells 360 400,500k per month"

"check data for march,february,january....every week ps3 outsold 360 by 70-100k+ WORLDWIDE(4,5 weeks in month its somewhere 300-400k at least monthly),"

look agian gekkokamen 300k was has minninum in one of his 2 posts. and 500k his max. which comes out to guess what not 300k its 400k.

I would actually be better referred to as a realist. <_<