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Ok you seem to be getting killed here OP, so I'll go easy on you.

Graphics are king in your eyes. Ok thats fine I can live with that, even if I don't agree. but...

Nintendo was in the graphics arms race for a long time. They were trying to make people like you happy and you know what that got them? ~20m Gamecubes sold? HHAHAHAAHA

Nintendo wants to make MONEY!

Even with that said I think all this oh they don't care about the hardcorz!!!!!111!1!!! BS is just that. Bullshit.

With all that being said if you're one of thoes gamers that care so much about graphics then I can't tell you you're wrong. It's your taste in gaming. As much as I disagree with it i do respect it.

PS: Hey you wanna bitch about something with the Wii. Start with the online will ya! =0)

PSS: Thanks you Rol for pointing out that the GC only sold ~20m units, not 30m like I thought. You sir have done your good deed for the day. Thank you.



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big_boss said:
DarkCronos said:
out of that list i'd probably buy only re5 and metal gear. maybe bioshock.

wii owners aren't interested in third party HD games, that's why they are wii owners.

likewise i can't see myself on a console without muramasa, fragile, the NMHs, Silent hill: shattered memories, TvC, the 2 house of dead, little king's story, madworld and off course the nintendo games.

IMO the list you have doesn't hold a candle quality wise to mine ( some would say the same to mine). Gamers have different tastes.

I just read this, long thread is long. Long and funny.

I REALLY wish more HD fans were like you. I really do. Kudos.



JerzeeBalla said:
jarrod said:
JerzeeBalla said:
I hate to break the general direction of this thread, but its funny to me how graphics always seemed to matter until this gen. 

Careful with making absolutes like that. Smartasses like me will always poke holes in it by finding exceptions to the rule. <3

Well played sir.

I didnt mean to state it as a fact, but it seems to be a growing trend among Nintendo fans. Not all, but some. I might be reading too much into it, but I see a fair amount of "graphics bashing" this gen as if devs shouldnt want to make good looking games. Just because a game achieves a high level of visuals, it doesnt mean its automatically shallow or generic. But its like some Wii fans refuse to admit that there are fun and original experiences on the competing consoles. Just not as many due to devs following what seems to work. I believe if Nintendo's games were as easy to mimic as the high selling HD games seem to be, the Wii would have the same stigma. Luckily for Nintendo, their games cant be duplicated. Many have tried, none have succeeded.

Sorry for 3 posts in a row but this has turned out to be a very good thread.

I think Wii fans, like myself, maybe starting to get defensive. Think about it from out perspective. All we hear, reapeatedly, is oh the Wii grafix r teh suxxor and HD pwns u face. And shit like that. Of course people like graphics but us Wii owners are starting to get really pissed off at the fucking elite pos interwebz trolls.

Hey maybe thats our fault. Trolls should be ignored afterall. But its getting old hearing every 12 year old halo Live kid talk shit about the games I love. Like im some kind of retard for playing graphicly inferior games. Look up some IGN articles for some expamples. No wait don't, they don't deserve the hits. But i digress.

Point is I really do think the Wii fans saying graphics don't matter flat out like that is a defensive thing. Of course we all like graphics. But for us Wii fans they are not the end all be all of gaming. Far from it.



Graphics whore ....

There are plenty of viable reasons why one would want to sit out this generation of Nintendo games, but yours is pretty weak.



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ohshutyourmouth said:

 As a gamer, I've seen Nintendo compleley fall flat on their face this generation with the Wii. It's a complete shame to me that Nintendo has had so much success with the Wii because that means they will continue this motion control bull**** with ancient dated graphics.

 

What?! If Nintendo continued to follow its downway spiral from the NES right up untill the GameCube to they would have been backrupt by now! The NES had motion controlled games with the PowerGlove...

/facepalm



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you aren't a nintendo fan, you only lcked ninty for their good graphics, now that they aren't that powerful you leave them



Actually, this gen is probably the happiest I've been with Nintendo, between the DS and the Wii. I personally think that last gen saw the beginning of "too little graphical return for the investment." The cost to make graphics look better was just not worth it. And I believe after the GC, Nintendo saw this. Graphics for me are very low on the importance list, but the increasing importance that many companies were showing them, getting to the detriment of every other aspect of gaming, was pushing me away. I don't mind a good story with good graphics, but if the game is boring, then you've failed. And, as far as I'm concerned, a lot of these newer "look at my pretty graphics" games are just that- boring.

What Nintendo did with the Wii is bring back gameplay. In general, I've not had this much fun with a home console since the SNES. Sure, it can't be as fancy as expensive PS3/360 games. But they can still look damn good, with another upside- less raw graphical processing power means less cost in making the games! On paper, it seemed like everything should have been perfect- cheaper to make games for, with the focus back on the game itself.

But as we all already know, that's not how it went. (I'll spare people the recent history recap.) They didn't go to the Wii because they didn't know how to market to it. Starting in the late 16-bit days, advertising became all about the graphics. And yet, 10 years after this starts, a system comes out that can't be marketed that way. You couldn't slap up 30 seconds of FMVs for a commercial and get people to drool over your game. So it wasn't marketed. And sales were poor. (Yadda, yadda.) The HD marketing? Well, too much was already invested to let the game flop, so it had to be advertised.

So where am I going with this? Well, sorry, OP, but I think you bit whole-hogged into what some of the companies wanted you to- that graphics are all that matters. It's what, as of today, has been marketed for gaming for almost 15 years. They're just going to keep spoon-feeding these graphics, and hope that people in larger and larger number gobble them up, to cover the larger and larger costs of making these graphics. Nintendo sat this out, and while a fair chunk of 3rd-party support has been lost as a result, I think that ultimately, they will be who comes out winning. Natal and Move I think are the first sign of what Nintendo has done with this gen...



-dunno001

-On a quest for the truly perfect game; I don't think it exists...

If you care about graphics that much, get a gaming rig. Consoles can never compete with gaming rigs graphics-wise.

People like the OP, they sound like the ignorant people in RL that have criticized my decision for getting a Wii because it's HD.
Them: "The Wii is for kids, not adults"
Me: No More Heroes and Madworld are on the Wii and they are certaintly not for kids.
Them: But it's not teh HD. It suxorz.

I prefer the Xbox 360 because it has more "core" games and I'd be missing out on a lot of these games with just a Wii but the Wii has a lot of great core exclusives (whereas the PS3 and 360 share like 80+% of the library) and the console offers a different experience. Making it a solid compliment to the 360/PS3.

Seriously give the Wii a real shake. The graphics do look "last gen" but if the game is fun, that shouldn't bother you. Unless you are a graphics whore. I had a lot of fun with No More Heroes. Probably more than I've had from a HD game for awhile.

Sure the HD games may look better but a lot of these big-budget AAA blockbusters focus so much on the graphics, the hype, the marketing, the shock value that they forget about the fun. Fun does not necessarily correlate with metacritic ratings and production budgets. On the 360, I find that it's the underrated games that tend to give me the most satisfaction. Crackdown is perceived by the gaming media as inferior to and much more flawed than Halo 3 and Gears of War 2. However I had a ton of fun with Crackdown and felt that Halo 3 and Gears of War 2's campaigns were tedious and boring. And online play is filled with a bunch of assholes. I probably won't even bother with Call of Duty.



You're not a Nintendo fan and you never were- you're just shallow.



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loves2splooge said:
If you care about graphics that much, get a gaming rig. Consoles can never compete with gaming rigs graphics-wise.

Pretty much this.  Hell, with a good enough rig you can run PS2/GC/Wii games fully playable in HD too.