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darthdevidem01 said:
Yeah Motorstorm had the most bundling with PS3's.

I know it had lots of retailer bundling going on in 2006/2007, but NPD counts those as sales.  It's only manufacturer "in the box" bundles that NPD doesn't include in their software totals... did MotorStorm have that in the US?  I know it did in Europe, but I'm not sure about US? :/



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darthdevidem01 said:
Yeah Motorstorm had the most bundling with PS3's.

Still wonder why Pacific Rift didn't do that well, its 10 times better than motorstorm 1 & with all the bundling motorstorm 1 got they had a userbase ready to buy motorstorm 2.

Why wonder?  I think you will find that most people don't want to buy ExciteBots/Motorstorm or their sequels.



 

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Uncharted 2 passed 1 million in NA and 950k in USA NPD dec 09. I don't know if we should believe gamasutra after this?



shanbcn said:
Uncharted 2 passed 1 million in NA and 950k in USA NPD dec 09. I don't know if we should believe gamasutra after this?

If Matthews got a figure wrong, he'll print a correction.  He's done it before, and he gets sourced directly from NPD (who also looks over the articles).  Honestly, >850k isn't even really incorrect, and it easily could've been a typing error too (ie: meant to be >950k).



jarrod said:
Yakuzaice said:
ameratsu said:


I have to say that some titles seem to be poorly tracked here based on numbers given in that gamasutra article.

Keep in mind just because it says >850k doesn't mean it sold ~850k.  For example, NPD had Uncharted 2 at 950k in the US as of december, and the article writer said it has sold at least 100k this year.

AC II might be way off though.

The leaked NPD total for December was ">900k".  Of course that came from Anihawk, who the Sonycorps around here seem to want to discredit at every turn. ;)

Also, I don't believe Matthews said it's sold over 100k this year?  Where are you getting that?

NPD themselves discredited him but I guess people need something to believe him, even if it's an obvious lie as already stated by NPD themselves.

As far as the 950k in December 2009, that comes from this, from Sony PR themselves:

 

http://playstationlifestyle.net/2010/01/14/scea-reveals-december-npd-numbers/

UNCHARTED 2: Among Thieves has surpassed 1 million units in North America* with more than 950k units reported by NPD in the U.S. since launch

 

They already pointed this out to him in the GAF thread.

 

darthdevidem01 said:
Yeah Motorstorm had the most bundling with PS3's.

Still wonder why Pacific Rift didn't do that well, its 10 times better than motorstorm 1 & with all the bundling motorstorm 1 got they had a userbase ready to buy motorstorm 2.

 

Because Motorstorm sucked, load times were horrendous and no split screen multiplayer was a killer. The word of mouth did not help that game at all.



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jarrod said:
darthdevidem01 said:
Yeah Motorstorm had the most bundling with PS3's.

I know it had lots of retailer bundling going on in 2006/2007, but NPD counts those as sales.  It's only manufacturer "in the box" bundles that NPD doesn't include in their software totals... did MotorStorm have that in the US?  I know it did in Europe, but I'm not sure about US? :/

Yes, a lot, if you remember it was the PS3 to get at one point because it was the only one with BC, the core 40GB was 399 and didn't have one, the 499 one was BC. It was heavily heavily bundled in the US, more so than any other game on PS3 IIRC.

 

It was this bundle

http://www.amazon.com/PlayStation-3-80GB-Motorstorm-Pack/dp/B000TVT8PI/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1271705553&sr=1-5



ElGranCabeza said:
jarrod said:
Yakuzaice said:
ameratsu said:


I have to say that some titles seem to be poorly tracked here based on numbers given in that gamasutra article.

Keep in mind just because it says >850k doesn't mean it sold ~850k.  For example, NPD had Uncharted 2 at 950k in the US as of december, and the article writer said it has sold at least 100k this year.

AC II might be way off though.

The leaked NPD total for December was ">900k".  Of course that came from Anihawk, who the Sonycorps around here seem to want to discredit at every turn. ;)

Also, I don't believe Matthews said it's sold over 100k this year?  Where are you getting that?

NPD themselves discredited him but I guess people need something to believe him, even if it's an obvious lie as already stated by NPD themselves.

 

Actually no, NPD said "Some of the [information] provided is incorrect or in an approximate range that is still way off base" but nowhere did they say "obvious lie".  Read between the lines.  There was an attempt to clearly discredit the figures without concretely saying they were 100% wrong (using multiple qualifiers like "some", "approximate" or "range" in tandem) and it was even followed up with a rant about how they're disturbed by leaks (is this a legitimate "leak" or false information then?), a dig at games forums in general ("NPD's information is not intended to be dumped into public domain feeding troughs") and finally even a veiled threat to NeoGAF moderation over this "leak" ("I'm going to assume this is continuing, and that this latest leak was an anomaly and nothing more").  Riley basically discredits the leak, then credits it the next breath. You'll also notice Ani's leaks suddenly stopped after the GamePro article, yet he went unbanned (which would be protocol for posting incorrect data).  

But if you believe all the bullshit that comes out of Professional Troll David Riley's mouth, then what are you doing posting at VGC?  He's discredited this place every chance he's gotten as well?  



ElGranCabeza said:
jarrod said:
darthdevidem01 said:
Yeah Motorstorm had the most bundling with PS3's.

I know it had lots of retailer bundling going on in 2006/2007, but NPD counts those as sales.  It's only manufacturer "in the box" bundles that NPD doesn't include in their software totals... did MotorStorm have that in the US?  I know it did in Europe, but I'm not sure about US? :/

Yes, a lot, if you remember it was the PS3 to get at one point because it was the only one with BC, the core 40GB was 399 and didn't have one, the 499 one was BC. It was heavily heavily bundled in the US, more so than any other game on PS3 IIRC.

 

It was this bundle

http://www.amazon.com/PlayStation-3-80GB-Motorstorm-Pack/dp/B000TVT8PI/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1271705553&sr=1-5

Oh, good to know!  And wow, going by VGC bundling basically doubled MS1's figures.  That's an insane ratio, like GT5P in Japan!

Actually, which other games have gotten official hardware bundles this gen in the US?  Do we have a full list somewhere?



jarrod said:
ElGranCabeza said:
jarrod said:
Yakuzaice said:
ameratsu said:


I have to say that some titles seem to be poorly tracked here based on numbers given in that gamasutra article.

Keep in mind just because it says >850k doesn't mean it sold ~850k.  For example, NPD had Uncharted 2 at 950k in the US as of december, and the article writer said it has sold at least 100k this year.

AC II might be way off though.

The leaked NPD total for December was ">900k".  Of course that came from Anihawk, who the Sonycorps around here seem to want to discredit at every turn. ;)

Also, I don't believe Matthews said it's sold over 100k this year?  Where are you getting that?

NPD themselves discredited him but I guess people need something to believe him, even if it's an obvious lie as already stated by NPD themselves.

 

Actually no, NPD said "Some of the [information] provided is incorrect or in an approximate range that is still way off base" but nowhere did they say "obvious lie".  Read between the lines.  There was an attempt to clearly discredit the figures without concretely saying they were 100% wrong (using multiple qualifiers like "some", "approximate" or "range" in tandem) and it was even followed up with a rant about how they're disturbed by leaks (is this a legitimate "leak" or false information then?), a dig at games forums in general ("NPD's information is not intended to be dumped into public domain feeding troughs") and finally even a veiled threat to NeoGAF moderation over this "leak" ("I'm going to assume this is continuing, and that this latest leak was an anomaly and nothing more").  Riley basically discredits the leak, then credits it the next breath. You'll also notice Ani's leaks suddenly stopped after the GamePro article, yet he went unbanned (which would be protocol for posting incorrect data).  

But if you believe all the bullshit that comes out of Professional Troll David Riley's mouth, then what are you doing posting at VGC?  He's discredited this place every chance he's gotten as well?  

I'm not gonna argue with you over this issue anymore, there's lots of leaps of faith in what you just said right now. Anihawk has been discretided but you may choose to believe his supposed leaks if you'd like, that's your prerogative. I'll just leave it at that.

 

jarrod said:
ElGranCabeza said:
jarrod said:
darthdevidem01 said:
Yeah Motorstorm had the most bundling with PS3's.

I know it had lots of retailer bundling going on in 2006/2007, but NPD counts those as sales.  It's only manufacturer "in the box" bundles that NPD doesn't include in their software totals... did MotorStorm have that in the US?  I know it did in Europe, but I'm not sure about US? :/

Yes, a lot, if you remember it was the PS3 to get at one point because it was the only one with BC, the core 40GB was 399 and didn't have one, the 499 one was BC. It was heavily heavily bundled in the US, more so than any other game on PS3 IIRC.

 

It was this bundle

http://www.amazon.com/PlayStation-3-80GB-Motorstorm-Pack/dp/B000TVT8PI/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1271705553&sr=1-5

Oh, good to know!  And wow, going by VGC bundling basically doubled MS1's figures.  That's an insane ratio, like GT5P in Japan!

Actually, which other games have gotten official hardware bundles this gen in the US?  Do we have a full list somewhere?

In terms of probably most bundled sales to least:

Motorstorm, MGS4, Uncharted

Ratchet FTOD and Uncharted got that limited controller bundle last Fall.



jarrod said:
ameratsu said:
Yakuzaice said:
ameratsu said:


I have to say that some titles seem to be poorly tracked here based on numbers given in that gamasutra article.

Keep in mind just because it says >850k doesn't mean it sold ~850k.  For example, NPD had Uncharted 2 at 950k in the US as of december, and the article writer said it has sold at least 100k this year.

AC II might be way off though.

 

Motorstorm is certainly way off. That is probably the case for Uncharted 1 as well. Both were "well short of" 750k a year ago, so I'm doubting current VGC numbers that put them at 1.54 and 1.34 million in Americas respectively. And yes I realize VGC's Americas includes Canada.

It's also worth noting that NPD never counts software bundled with hardware in their ltds.  So the Uncharted 1 bundle could account for some of that difference.  Was Motorstorm bundled in the US?

Plus Uncharted's sales picked up a good bit around the launch of Uncahrted 2, both as a byproduct of renewed advertising for the IP and a result of people playing U2 then deciding to track down U1.

And yeah, MotorStorm was bundled with all 80gb ps3s prior to MGS4's release.