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Euphoria14 said:
KingFate said:
Euphoria14 said:
 

I am not saying it isn't my sister's fault, because I know it is, but the dog is still agressive to any child that sets foot at the house.

 

As a parent I would never side with an animal like that.

Which is why I think it would be ideal if, you could look to give him to a no child family. I know it's hard when you gotta give up an animal you adore, but such is life. The safety of the children comes first.

Indeed it does.

I would also love to be able to find a family for the dog instead of putting him down.

 

I see you live in Jersey, I live on Long Island.

 

Want a dog?

As much as I would like to, I can't.



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Euphoria14 said:
Kasz216 said:
Euphoria14 said:

To everyone saying that my sister is a bad dog owner, keep it in mind that the dog is not her's. The dog belongs to my mother and father.

New York State Law also states that now the dog will be labeled as a "Dangerous Animal" and if he unfortunately attacks again he will not only forced to be put down, but my parents would also get a $1,000 fine as well as 90-days in jail.

Food for thought in regards to those on the dog's side.


Also bear in mind that the dog has a habit of growling at not only my niece, but to my 10 year old cousin, my niece's 5 year old step brother and my 4 1/2 year old nephew.

Do we blame all of them too?

 

The dog is getting old and ever since his hernia surgery where he also had his testicles removed he has had a completely different personality. Sometimes he is a mush and sometimes he is a mean son of a bitch.

This could have been anyone's kid and not just my sister's.

 

While I do not deny that my sister is to blame for allowing my niece to hit the dog, the dog is still becoming quite an issue, especially in a home where my 9 1/2 month old daughter is living.

Plus, how do you teach a 2 year old to not walk over to a dog or pull it's tail, hair, etc...? Even my daughter now likes to grab the small dog by the hair. Remember, these are very little children who really do not know any better.

Yeah... I'm still on the dogs side.  By no means should your sister's kid be taken away... but it's a much more just solution then punishing the dog.  That's for sure.

It's just like the conversation we had in the other thread on which you agreed with.  About hackers and the people who do bad things with them.

It's not the Hackers or the Firmwares fault... it's the people who pirate.

It's the exact same situation here.

My aunt had a 2 year old... and she succesfully taught her 2 year old to not antagonize their dogs... so it is possible, and even if it wasn't... it's a simple thing to teach the kids not to go near the dog... or just keep the animals away in general.

Lots of people have young children and animals so it's surely possible.

I am not saying it isn't my sister's fault, because I know it is, but the dog is still agressive to any child that sets foot at the house.

 

As a parent I would never side with an animal like that.

A woman who is abused by men can often develop a disorder where she is agressive to any man that aproaches her. 

I think you said it best when you said "As a parent."  I think you are letting your parenthood blind yourself on the issue.  Which is understandable considering the importance of child raising in someones lives, but still, I think it's effecting your judgement, much how people want all violent videogames banned etc.

I don't think humans should have equal rights as animals all for animal testing and things that benefit man kind, but you are generally talking about destroying an animal for no real reason other then misuse by the owner and a general piece of mind.

It's no better then just going out with a bebe gun and shooting cats and birds.

There are plenty of ways to be responsible with animals in the house plenty of people do it.



KingFate said:
Euphoria14 said:
KingFate said:
Euphoria14 said:
 

I am not saying it isn't my sister's fault, because I know it is, but the dog is still agressive to any child that sets foot at the house.

 

As a parent I would never side with an animal like that.

Which is why I think it would be ideal if, you could look to give him to a no child family. I know it's hard when you gotta give up an animal you adore, but such is life. The safety of the children comes first.

Indeed it does.

I would also love to be able to find a family for the dog instead of putting him down.

 

I see you live in Jersey, I live on Long Island.

 

Want a dog?

As much as I would like to, I can't.

 



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Kasz216 said:
Euphoria14 said:
Kasz216 said:
Euphoria14 said:

To everyone saying that my sister is a bad dog owner, keep it in mind that the dog is not her's. The dog belongs to my mother and father.

New York State Law also states that now the dog will be labeled as a "Dangerous Animal" and if he unfortunately attacks again he will not only forced to be put down, but my parents would also get a $1,000 fine as well as 90-days in jail.

Food for thought in regards to those on the dog's side.


Also bear in mind that the dog has a habit of growling at not only my niece, but to my 10 year old cousin, my niece's 5 year old step brother and my 4 1/2 year old nephew.

Do we blame all of them too?

 

The dog is getting old and ever since his hernia surgery where he also had his testicles removed he has had a completely different personality. Sometimes he is a mush and sometimes he is a mean son of a bitch.

This could have been anyone's kid and not just my sister's.

 

While I do not deny that my sister is to blame for allowing my niece to hit the dog, the dog is still becoming quite an issue, especially in a home where my 9 1/2 month old daughter is living.

Plus, how do you teach a 2 year old to not walk over to a dog or pull it's tail, hair, etc...? Even my daughter now likes to grab the small dog by the hair. Remember, these are very little children who really do not know any better.

Yeah... I'm still on the dogs side.  By no means should your sister's kid be taken away... but it's a much more just solution then punishing the dog.  That's for sure.

It's just like the conversation we had in the other thread on which you agreed with.  About hackers and the people who do bad things with them.

It's not the Hackers or the Firmwares fault... it's the people who pirate.

It's the exact same situation here.

My aunt had a 2 year old... and she succesfully taught her 2 year old to not antagonize their dogs... so it is possible, and even if it wasn't... it's a simple thing to teach the kids not to go near the dog... or just keep the animals away in general.

Lots of people have young children and animals so it's surely possible.

I am not saying it isn't my sister's fault, because I know it is, but the dog is still agressive to any child that sets foot at the house.

 

As a parent I would never side with an animal like that.

A woman who is abused by men can often develop a disorder where she is agressive to any man that aproaches her. 

I think you said it best when you said "As a parent."  I think you are letting your parenthood blind yourself on the issue.  Which is understandable considering the importance of child raising in someones lives, but still, I think it's effecting your judgement, much how people want all violent videogames banned etc.

I don't think humans should have equal rights as animals all for animal testing and things that benefit man kind, but you are generally talking about destroying an animal for no real reason other then misuse by the owner and a general piece of mind.

It's no better then just going out with a bebe gun and shooting cats and birds.

There are plenty of ways to be responsible with animals in the house plenty of people do it.

He got the surgery about a year ago, long before my niece was even able to antagonize him, before she could even walk.

Even then he would snarl and growl at children and on some ocassions show teeth.

 

It is something we should have picked up on and acted upon long ago.

 

The dog has a problem and it isn't parenthood that is blinding me, it is just me understanding the situation at hand now and realizing that my families well being comes long before an animals.

Dog's can change and here is shows. He used to love children up until after the surgery. Almost anything they do gets him aggrevated, including just being in the same viscinity as him.

 

It isn't even just limited to children either. Although not as frequent, he has shown signs of aggression towards me and has an absolute hatred for best friend.

 

It is almost like at this point we can't bring anyone over.

At some point one needs to realize when enough is enough.



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Euphoria14 said:
Kasz216 said:
Euphoria14 said:
Kasz216 said:
Euphoria14 said:

To everyone saying that my sister is a bad dog owner, keep it in mind that the dog is not her's. The dog belongs to my mother and father.

New York State Law also states that now the dog will be labeled as a "Dangerous Animal" and if he unfortunately attacks again he will not only forced to be put down, but my parents would also get a $1,000 fine as well as 90-days in jail.

Food for thought in regards to those on the dog's side.


Also bear in mind that the dog has a habit of growling at not only my niece, but to my 10 year old cousin, my niece's 5 year old step brother and my 4 1/2 year old nephew.

Do we blame all of them too?

 

The dog is getting old and ever since his hernia surgery where he also had his testicles removed he has had a completely different personality. Sometimes he is a mush and sometimes he is a mean son of a bitch.

This could have been anyone's kid and not just my sister's.

 

While I do not deny that my sister is to blame for allowing my niece to hit the dog, the dog is still becoming quite an issue, especially in a home where my 9 1/2 month old daughter is living.

Plus, how do you teach a 2 year old to not walk over to a dog or pull it's tail, hair, etc...? Even my daughter now likes to grab the small dog by the hair. Remember, these are very little children who really do not know any better.

Yeah... I'm still on the dogs side.  By no means should your sister's kid be taken away... but it's a much more just solution then punishing the dog.  That's for sure.

It's just like the conversation we had in the other thread on which you agreed with.  About hackers and the people who do bad things with them.

It's not the Hackers or the Firmwares fault... it's the people who pirate.

It's the exact same situation here.

My aunt had a 2 year old... and she succesfully taught her 2 year old to not antagonize their dogs... so it is possible, and even if it wasn't... it's a simple thing to teach the kids not to go near the dog... or just keep the animals away in general.

Lots of people have young children and animals so it's surely possible.

I am not saying it isn't my sister's fault, because I know it is, but the dog is still agressive to any child that sets foot at the house.

 

As a parent I would never side with an animal like that.

A woman who is abused by men can often develop a disorder where she is agressive to any man that aproaches her. 

I think you said it best when you said "As a parent."  I think you are letting your parenthood blind yourself on the issue.  Which is understandable considering the importance of child raising in someones lives, but still, I think it's effecting your judgement, much how people want all violent videogames banned etc.

I don't think humans should have equal rights as animals all for animal testing and things that benefit man kind, but you are generally talking about destroying an animal for no real reason other then misuse by the owner and a general piece of mind.

It's no better then just going out with a bebe gun and shooting cats and birds.

There are plenty of ways to be responsible with animals in the house plenty of people do it.

He got the surgery about a year ago, long before my niece was even able to antagonize him, before she could even walk.

Even then he would snarl and growl at children.

 

It is something we should have picked up on and acted upon long ago.

Which still doesn't change the underlying issue that it's something you guys should of picked up and acted on quite honestly.  I can't ever see putting down a dog because of it's owners mistake.  Like I said, it's no better then shooting random animals with bebe guns.



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Kasz216 said:
Euphoria14 said:
Kasz216 said:
Euphoria14 said:
Kasz216 said:
Euphoria14 said:

To everyone saying that my sister is a bad dog owner, keep it in mind that the dog is not her's. The dog belongs to my mother and father.

New York State Law also states that now the dog will be labeled as a "Dangerous Animal" and if he unfortunately attacks again he will not only forced to be put down, but my parents would also get a $1,000 fine as well as 90-days in jail.

Food for thought in regards to those on the dog's side.


Also bear in mind that the dog has a habit of growling at not only my niece, but to my 10 year old cousin, my niece's 5 year old step brother and my 4 1/2 year old nephew.

Do we blame all of them too?

 

The dog is getting old and ever since his hernia surgery where he also had his testicles removed he has had a completely different personality. Sometimes he is a mush and sometimes he is a mean son of a bitch.

This could have been anyone's kid and not just my sister's.

 

While I do not deny that my sister is to blame for allowing my niece to hit the dog, the dog is still becoming quite an issue, especially in a home where my 9 1/2 month old daughter is living.

Plus, how do you teach a 2 year old to not walk over to a dog or pull it's tail, hair, etc...? Even my daughter now likes to grab the small dog by the hair. Remember, these are very little children who really do not know any better.

Yeah... I'm still on the dogs side.  By no means should your sister's kid be taken away... but it's a much more just solution then punishing the dog.  That's for sure.

It's just like the conversation we had in the other thread on which you agreed with.  About hackers and the people who do bad things with them.

It's not the Hackers or the Firmwares fault... it's the people who pirate.

It's the exact same situation here.

My aunt had a 2 year old... and she succesfully taught her 2 year old to not antagonize their dogs... so it is possible, and even if it wasn't... it's a simple thing to teach the kids not to go near the dog... or just keep the animals away in general.

Lots of people have young children and animals so it's surely possible.

I am not saying it isn't my sister's fault, because I know it is, but the dog is still agressive to any child that sets foot at the house.

 

As a parent I would never side with an animal like that.

A woman who is abused by men can often develop a disorder where she is agressive to any man that aproaches her. 

I think you said it best when you said "As a parent."  I think you are letting your parenthood blind yourself on the issue.  Which is understandable considering the importance of child raising in someones lives, but still, I think it's effecting your judgement, much how people want all violent videogames banned etc.

I don't think humans should have equal rights as animals all for animal testing and things that benefit man kind, but you are generally talking about destroying an animal for no real reason other then misuse by the owner and a general piece of mind.

It's no better then just going out with a bebe gun and shooting cats and birds.

There are plenty of ways to be responsible with animals in the house plenty of people do it.

He got the surgery about a year ago, long before my niece was even able to antagonize him, before she could even walk.

Even then he would snarl and growl at children.

 

It is something we should have picked up on and acted upon long ago.

Which still doesn't change the underlying issue that it's something you guys should of picked up and acted on quite honestly.  I can't ever see putting down a dog because of it's owners mistake.  Like I said, it's no better then shooting random animals with bebe guns.

Yeah, we should have gotten rid of him a year ago.

It isn't our fault that a surgery required in order to save his life has going to turn him into a child hating beast.

 

@Soriku

She wasn't attacked when she hit him with the stick. She was hitting him and then my sister saw it. She then put my neice in an empty room by herself for a while to let her know she couldn't do things like that. Call it a "Time out" if you will.

It was later in the day when she got attacked, and at that time all she did was walk out the back door.



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Also, what is the "justifiable" solution here?

Stick my niece in a children's group home and hope that a scarred 2 year old girl gets picked up by a nice family while we keep a dog that poses a danger to my 9 1/2 month old daughter?

That is the issue here. Regardless of the solution my daughter remains in danger as long as the dog is around.


No parent should be foolish enough to care about what is best for the dog when a child's safety is in question.

Scratch that. No person should be foolish enough.



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I still believe someone should call the social services and take your sister's kids away, because she definitely doesn't seem able to take care of them. The dog growls and looks aggressive to children (or so you say), but you still allowed him come near the kids?! Freaking poor judgement on your sister's part, and I'll be gutted if you get rid of the dog.

I MEAN, HOW THE HELL DID YOUR SISTER ALLOW HER CHILD TO STICK ON A DOG THAT ALREADY GROWLS TO CHILDREN?!?!?!

And pets are part of the family too, and although you said he growls constantly at kids, it is baffling to me how you still allowed the girl to harm the dog!!



shio said:
I still believe someone should call the social services and take your sister's kids away, because she definitely doesn't seem able to take care of them. The dog growls and looks aggressive to children (or so you say), but you still allowed him come near the kids?! Freaking poor judgement on your sister's part, and I'll be gutted if you get rid of the dog.

I MEAN, HOW THE HELL DID YOUR SISTER ALLOW HER CHILD TO STICK ON A DOG THAT ALREADY GROWLS TO CHILDREN?!?!?!

And pets are part of the family too, and although you said he growls constantly at kids, it is baffling to me how you still allowed the girl to harm the dog!!

I am sure I know more about my dog than you do Shio. Don't come in here with some "Or so you say" garbage. You have no idea what happened or how this dog is.

 

As for you're sentence in all caps. I think the better question is "Why the hell did we keep a dog that already growls at our children?". That is the real question we all need to ask ourselves. Keeping the dog to begin with was our first mistake.

His time came a year ago, when he developed a double hernia, could not longer walk, was in tremendous pain and had an anus that protrduded due to him no longer being able to shit and the constant pushing only caused more pain and bleeding. He was going to die.

What did we do? We spent $4,000 to make him well again.

 

If we let nature take it's course than this would have never happened, so don't act like we never cared about the dog because that is absolute bullshit.

 

I find it hilarious that some people care more about the well being of a 10 year old child hating animal than a 2 year old child.

The dog will live 3-4 years more max while my niece will need to live with these scars for the rest of her life.

 

Absolutely sickening to be honest.

 

Don't act like you never did stupid shit as a kid.

 



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Euphoria14 said:
Also, what is the "justifiable" solution here?

Stick my niece in a children's group home and hope that a scarred 2 year old girl gets picked up by a nice family while we keep a dog that poses a danger to my 9 1/2 month old daughter?

That is the issue here. Regardless of the solution my daughter remains in danger as long as the dog is around.


No parent should be foolish enough to care about what is best for the dog when a child's safety is in question.

Scratch that. No person should be foolish enough.

No, the justfiable solution is to simply keep them seperate, pay more attention to parenting while trying to find the dog a good home.

If you can't find one, your stuck with him.

It's the only solution that doesn't punish those who aren't guilty.


Otherwise it's like saying violent videogames should be banned from all homes because your child might still play them.