shuraiya said: The lighting, while technically very impressive, just seems overdone. It feels as though they know they can produce great lighting and are going out of their way to show that over and over. That has always been the main sore point for me since we were shown trailers and screen shots; this 12 minutes of gameplay is just confirmation. The excessive lighting ruins the atmosphere for me, same with the ghost/demon thing's Cliché dialogue. From what I have seen so far - admittedly not the whole game - the atmosphere does not compare with Fatal Frame or Silent Hill 1 & 2. Still, I look forward to playing the game. Looks like I'll finally be forced to upgrade my firmware after all; if I can get passed my issues with the lighting.

The whole game is based on lighting effects.

To criticise it is a little unfair.

Its like saying super mario bros depends on platforming.

@ selnor

Both games do anti-aliasing, some games need more anti-aliasing than others. More anti-aliasing is needed when there are more aliasing issues within the game. It's a technique used to solve problems, it's not like having no anti-aliasing is a problem per se.

You can't fully tell from the youtube footage, but it could be Alan Wake runs in sub-HD, the lower the native rendering resolution usually the more AA techniques are required to solve aliasing issues.

Running in sub-HD actually isn't per se a bad thing for this game, the textures aren't high quality, so there are less benefits from rendering in HD. Various HD games could do with sub-HD rendering actually because of this. It will improve framerates, but on the other hand requires more Anti-aliasing. It's a trade off in either direction, if you have high quality assets a dev may prefer to render in HD with less anti-aliasing (to show off in full detail), if you have low quality assets you may better opt for sub-HD rendering with some more anti-aliasing.

Of course Halo 3 is sub-HD without any anti-aliasing and that shows....

Cypher1980 said: shuraiya said: The lighting, while technically very impressive, just seems overdone. It feels as though they know they can produce great lighting and are going out of their way to show that over and over. That has always been the main sore point for me since we were shown trailers and screen shots; this 12 minutes of gameplay is just confirmation. The excessive lighting ruins the atmosphere for me, same with the ghost/demon thing's Cliché dialogue. From what I have seen so far - admittedly not the whole game - the atmosphere does not compare with Fatal Frame or Silent Hill 1 & 2. Still, I look forward to playing the game. Looks like I'll finally be forced to upgrade my firmware after all; if I can get passed my issues with the lighting. The whole game is based on lighting effects. To criticise it is a little unfair. Its like saying super mario bros depends on platforming.

You can not compare an effect to a genre. I never said there was anything bad about using lighting effects, but when the game constantly tries to blind me it becomes a problem. The lighting is overdone to the point being a distration; the developers simply needed to tone it down.

Besides, I would not exactly say they are depending on it so much as showing off.

CGI-Quality said: pauly989 said: Shame they cancelled the pc version. Why not just snag a 360? I know money's tight but they're fairly cheap now.

it's a shame it's not on pc i agree but like cgi suggested i'll be getting a 360 JUST for this game. 

prob not the best idea to get a console for just 1 game but hopefully alan wake will make me more open to other 360 games.

But I don't want to crap on about getting a 360. alan wake is still another month away. 

The game really looks good. I just love the atmosphere the game seems to ooze (reminds me of re4). Just please, please, don't be an 8 hour long game lol

Getting so sick of these graphics discussions.

rccsetzer said: IMO, it can't compete with Uncharted 2 in terms of character models. Alan Wake looks a bit hideous. Some Alan Wake action (when he is in the house) remembered me a bit of Threepio (C3-PO) from Star Wars. I don't know why, it was just a feeling. Strange.

well thats like uncharted lighting looks average if compared to alan wakes lighting. alan wake charecter models look above average but not as good as uncharted 2 but uncharted lightign looks above average but not as good as alan wakes lighting.

and btw owned XD :).

elticker said: rccsetzer said: IMO, it can't compete with Uncharted 2 in terms of character models. Alan Wake looks a bit hideous. Some Alan Wake action (when he is in the house) remembered me a bit of Threepio (C3-PO) from Star Wars. I don't know why, it was just a feeling. Strange. well thats like uncharted lighting looks average if compared to alan wakes lighting. alan wake charecter models look above average but not as good as uncharted 2 but uncharted lightign looks above average but not as good as alan wakes lighting. and btw owned XD :).

and btw owned XD :).

Pilat said: elticker said: rccsetzer said: IMO, it can't compete with Uncharted 2 in terms of character models. Alan Wake looks a bit hideous. Some Alan Wake action (when he is in the house) remembered me a bit of Threepio (C3-PO) from Star Wars. I don't know why, it was just a feeling. Strange. well thats like uncharted lighting looks average if compared to alan wakes lighting. alan wake charecter models look above average but not as good as uncharted 2 but uncharted lightign looks above average but not as good as alan wakes lighting. and btw owned XD :). and btw owned XD :).

LOL!!! yeh I remember this part of Uncharted 2, this screen shot don't do U2 justice tho...

elticker said: rccsetzer said: IMO, it can't compete with Uncharted 2 in terms of character models. Alan Wake looks a bit hideous. Some Alan Wake action (when he is in the house) remembered me a bit of Threepio (C3-PO) from Star Wars. I don't know why, it was just a feeling. Strange. well thats like uncharted lighting looks average if compared to alan wakes lighting. alan wake charecter models look above average but not as good as uncharted 2 but uncharted lightign looks above average but not as good as alan wakes lighting. and btw owned XD :).

Not really.

Uncharted 2 sports better HDR, also does screen space ambient occlusion and casts impressive shadows (like on peddles on the ground).

Not good pictures, but just for illustration:

Alan Wake is just very dark and thus more emphasis on lighting (possibly throughout the entire game). Uncharted 2 provides mostly very colorful and bright vibrant environments.

Lmao, Elticker got punched in the face xD.
Seriously though, if you have played Uncharted 2 , you will know that the game just shines all the way through. I just can't complain and the pictures above doesn't do the game justice, but it sure does proove Mike B & Prophecy's point.

Alan wake is REALLY dark from what we saw and there is a daylight video, but the game just does not look Uncharted 2 good. I can say it's better than Gears 2 (Which is the best graphic on the X360 I've seen [Yet to play Mass Effect 2]) but I wouldn't compare it to Uncharted 2 / GoW 3 and for the record, Uncharted 2 actually does look better than God of War 3 ..aside from Kratos. That guy is amazingly done. He's bald and doesn't really wear much clothing, but they got his body spot on xD.

 

Honestly same goes for Killzone 2 but after playing U2 and GoW3, the game does not look as awesome to me xD.

 

(Everything above is just my opinion ^)