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Is Apple, which just launched its own ad network, crippling competitors that want to sell ads on its iPhones and iPads?
That’s how some competitors are interpreting a clause in the developer agreement Apple released last week when it announced the new operating system that will power its mobile devices.
They’re concerned about language in the contract that seems to ban apps from transmitting data that third-party ad networks would use to track their ads’ performance. If they’re right, Apple’s contract would severely handicap rival “in-app” ad networks–like Google’s AdMob–without formally banning them.
“Ads don’t exist without analytics,” says a mobile ad executive. “Can’t measure it, can’t bill for it.”
The language in Apple’s agreement that worries ad networks also seems to cause problems for companies that only sell analytics, like Adobe’s Omniture.
I’ve included the full text of Section 3.3.9, which falls under the “User Interface, Data Collection, Local Laws and Privacy” section of Apple’s agreement, at the bottom of this post. But here’s what seems to be the crucial bit:
“Notwithstanding anything else in this Agreement, Device Data may not be provided or disclosed to a third party without Apple’s prior written consent. Accordingly, the use of third party software in Your Application to collect and send Device Data to a third party for processing or analysis is expressly prohibited.”
As I understand it, Apple is arguing that app makers can’t pass along information that incorporates each phone’s “unique device identifier” to ad networks and measurement companies.
This doesn’t expressly prohibit ad networks from selling ads, but it prevents them from selling targeted advertising, which is close to the same thing when it comes to mobile devices. The same problem would plague analytics companies, which might be able to compile very broad usage info about apps, but little else.
I’ve asked Apple (AAPL) for comment, but haven’t heard back. I’m also waiting to hear from Adobe (ADBE), which is already battling Apple over a clause in the developer contract that more or less prohibits its Flash standard, and Google (GOOG), which has been cheering on Apple’s entry into mobile ads.
I did talk to Peter Farago, who runs marketing for Flurry, a mobile app analytics company; he says Flurry executives noticed the language in the contract when it was released last Thursday and have been trying to figure it out since then. Farago says Flurry is worried, but figures there will be some way to work with Apple.
“It’s too early to tell. No one’s freaking out,” he says. “There’s more to understand about it, and we’re dialoguing with Apple about it, but it looks we may have to modify the way we collect and distribute information.”
3.3.9  The following requirements apply to You and Your Application’s use, collection, processing, maintenance, uploading, syncing, storage, transmission, sharing and disclosure of User Data:
-  All use of User Data collected or obtained through an Application must be limited to the same purpose as necessary to provide services or functionality for such Application. For example, the use of User Data collected on and used in a social networking Application could be used for the same purpose on the website version of that Application; however, the use of location-based User Data for enabling targeted advertising in an Application is prohibited unless targeted advertising is the purpose of such Application (e.g., a geo-location coupon application).
- You may only provide or disclose User Data to third parties as necessary for providing services or functionality for the Application that collected the User Data, and then only if You receive express user consent. For example, if Your Application would like to post a message from a user to a third party social networking site, then You may only share the message if the user has explicitly indicated an intention to share it by clicking or selecting a button or checking a box that clearly explains how the message will be shared.
- Notwithstanding anything else in this Agreement, Device Data may not be provided or disclosed to a third party without Apple’s prior written consent. Accordingly, the use of third party software in Your Application to collect and send Device Data to a third party for processing or analysis is expressly prohibited.
-  You must provide information to users regarding Your use and/or Transmission of User Data and explain how Your Application will use User Data, e.g., by providing information in the App Store marketing text that accompanies Your Application on the App Store, by adding an About box within Your Application, or by adding a link to Your privacy policy on Your website.
-  You and the Application must take appropriate steps to protect any User Data from unauthorized disclosure or access. If a user ceases to consent to Your use and/or Transmission of User Data, You must promptly cease all such use and/or Transmission and destroy any such information from Your records (except to the limited extent necessary for Your Application back-ups and record-keeping or as otherwise prohibited by law).

Is Apple, which just launched its own ad network, crippling competitors that want to sell ads on its iPhones and iPads?

That’s how some competitors are interpreting a clause in the developer agreement Apple released last week when it announced the new operating system that will power its mobile devices.

They’re concerned about language in the contract that seems to ban apps from transmitting data that third-party ad networks would use to track their ads’ performance. If they’re right, Apple’s contract would severely handicap rival “in-app” ad networks–like Google’s AdMob–without formally banning them.

“Ads don’t exist without analytics,” says a mobile ad executive. “Can’t measure it, can’t bill for it.”

The language in Apple’s agreement that worries ad networks also seems to cause problems for companies that only sell analytics, like Adobe’s Omniture.

I’ve included the full text of Section 3.3.9, which falls under the “User Interface, Data Collection, Local Laws and Privacy” section of Apple’s agreement, at the bottom of this post. But here’s what seems to be the crucial bit:

“Notwithstanding anything else in this Agreement, Device Data may not be provided or disclosed to a third party without Apple’s prior written consent. Accordingly, the use of third party software in Your Application to collect and send Device Data to a third party for processing or analysis is expressly prohibited.”

As I understand it, Apple is arguing that app makers can’t pass along information that incorporates each phone’s “unique device identifier” to ad networks and measurement companies.

This doesn’t expressly prohibit ad networks from selling ads, but it prevents them from selling targeted advertising, which is close to the same thing when it comes to mobile devices. The same problem would plague analytics companies, which might be able to compile very broad usage info about apps, but little else.

I’ve asked Apple (AAPL) for comment, but haven’t heard back. I’m also waiting to hear from Adobe (ADBE), which is already battling Apple over a clause in the developer contract that more or less prohibits its Flash standard, and Google (GOOG), which has been cheering on Apple’s entry into mobile ads.

I did talk to Peter Farago, who runs marketing for Flurry, a mobile app analytics company; he says Flurry executives noticed the language in the contract when it was released last Thursday and have been trying to figure it out since then. Farago says Flurry is worried, but figures there will be some way to work with Apple.

“It’s too early to tell. No one’s freaking out,” he says. “There’s more to understand about it, and we’re dialoguing with Apple about it, but it looks we may have to modify the way we collect and distribute information.”

3.3.9  The following requirements apply to You and Your Application’s use, collection, processing, maintenance, uploading, syncing, storage, transmission, sharing and disclosure of User Data:

-  All use of User Data collected or obtained through an Application must be limited to the same purpose as necessary to provide services or functionality for such Application. For example, the use of User Data collected on and used in a social networking Application could be used for the same purpose on the website version of that Application; however, the use of location-based User Data for enabling targeted advertising in an Application is prohibited unless targeted advertising is the purpose of such Application (e.g., a geo-location coupon application).

- You may only provide or disclose User Data to third parties as necessary for providing services or functionality for the Application that collected the User Data, and then only if You receive express user consent. For example, if Your Application would like to post a message from a user to a third party social networking site, then You may only share the message if the user has explicitly indicated an intention to share it by clicking or selecting a button or checking a box that clearly explains how the message will be shared.

- Notwithstanding anything else in this Agreement, Device Data may not be provided or disclosed to a third party without Apple’s prior written consent. Accordingly, the use of third party software in Your Application to collect and send Device Data to a third party for processing or analysis is expressly prohibited.

-  You must provide information to users regarding Your use and/or Transmission of User Data and explain how Your Application will use User Data, e.g., by providing information in the App Store marketing text that accompanies Your Application on the App Store, by adding an About box within Your Application, or by adding a link to Your privacy policy on Your website.

-  You and the Application must take appropriate steps to protect any User Data from unauthorized disclosure or access. If a user ceases to consent to Your use and/or Transmission of User Data, You must promptly cease all such use and/or Transmission and destroy any such information from Your records (except to the limited extent necessary for Your Application back-ups and record-keeping or as otherwise prohibited by law).

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I don't know what this is going to end with, but seems like Apple is closing up tighter and tighter by the minute. If they do end up shutting out external ad networks, they're going to piss off a lot of firms...



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I don't know if it has anything to do with this, but i've recently noticed on my own website, that some Macs are sharing the same amount of personal data with Javascript on, as they share JS disabled.

Could be a firewall setting though, but this started happening just recently.



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Nintendo games sell only on Nintendo system.

Sounds odd, I have hard time imagining Apple using a similar policy on the Macs.



@Rainbird: The case definately isn't the same. But i was thinking if Apple wants to limit the data collected from Macs, in conjunction to this.
It doesn't prevent me from seeing what the user does on the site, but it makes viewing targeted ads almost impossible.

Though, nobody posted anything about this to the trackers website, so maybe me noticing this is just coincidence.



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Could be, it just seems really weird that Apple would try to limit the data collection from the Macs, more so than the iPhone at least. The Macs aren't that closed.

Yet...

:/



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People assume that this is trying to squeeze out other ad providers, but I'm not convinced that's the case.

First off, analytics aren't strictly necessary to serve ads. It might reduce some of the targeting, but as a consumer I'm a little creeped out by the idea of targeted ads, anyway.

Secondly, if you look in the comments, one iPhone analytics company has already found itself to be clear of the restriction. Looks like I might still be targeted after all...

And finally, I think it's just as likely that these more restrictive rules are a response to things like this:

http://justanothermobilemonday.com/Wordpress/2009/11/11/popular-iphone-developer-storm8-sued-for-stealing-users-personal-information/



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@Rainbird: Well, if you'd make an ad contract with Apple, you'd be able to see what the Mac users are doing too.
There are so little Mac users that this wouldn't matter on websites, but it would offer additional value. And i'm sure that the customers wouldn't complain if Macs didn't send all your personal information to every website you visit.

Though, i'm not saying this would be the case.



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@ famousringo

I hope you're right, otherwise I'd seriously start worrying about Apple.

EDIT: @ bdbdbd

Could be, I guess if Apple have changed something it shouldn't be long before we find out what.



Rainbird said:

@ famousringo

I hope you're right, otherwise I'd seriously start worrying about Apple.

EDIT: @ bdbdbd

Could be, I guess if Apple have changed something it shouldn't be long before we find out what.

If Apple are setting themselves up so that they can target ads to iPhone OS users while no other ad provider can, they need to get slapped hard with an antitrust suit.

But I have a feeling that Apple's kick to Adobe's balls has set people on edge, and combined with Apple's rampant growth and the usual Apple background hatred, the FUD is flying thick and fast.



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If they want to discourage people from using their platform that's Apples business. I just hope they realize that if the walls get too high many might just go to the only real competitor.

I understand a lot is gained by having such a closed platform(reliability, homogenous user experience etc). However are there not other ways to achieve those results while not pissing off the people that make you money and your products worth buying.