Funny, I know a CRAPTON of people who thought that FFXIII was a terrible game (not that I agree with them). As for Xenogears, there are people who simply don't understand its plot and write it off as being "convoluted" and "a game that doesn't make any sense". Just because they couldn't comprehend it doesn't mean it was bad. Though, I don't understand what you mean by many people didn't like Xenogears's plot. Go check out all the user reviews around different game sites, go check the professional reviews for Xenogears (including IGN's) go around the different gaming forums around the web, go check the different Xenogears threads on this site (there is a search engine now for you to do that) and you'll see that ALOT of people felt that Xenogears has one of the best (or the very best) storyline gaming had to offer. Though really, all you have to do is actually play Xenogears to see what I (and many other people) mean. You don't have to take my word for it.

And the fact, that it was the Final Fantasy after my favorite game... Like after VIII, I hated IX but I went back last year, and its quirky and awesome to me. And X was my new favorite. so I didn't like XII but I went back. And it has many strong points. to me atleats

Xenogears... Battle System, I thought bad it was kinda like xenosaga only better by a lot but. That said, the story was amazing... Especially the First Disc. I didn't like the way they changed the story telling and sat in chairs at the end... Like I know it would have been an 80 hour game. Because it was already a 50 hour game. But I would have liked them to find a stopping point then do a sequel. The whole last disc felt rushed, and not the same experience as the first half. And the plot IMO went to many directions, at the end... I like convuluted, and I understood the plot. But I thought they went too far. But that's nitpicking... because my favorite game... has a sorceress that wants to compress time for some reason. haha. But videogame stories... it reminded me of evangelion a lot (the anime)

I totally agree bout the hate thing u said.

People use the word too easily, even I do. I HATE GTA4........but its still in my top 20 this gen. Like you said HATe is usually used when a game doesn't meet our huuuge expectations! That doesn't mean the game is bad cus it ranks in my top 20 this gen.

Sometimes going back to a game helps, like I went back to FFXII after the initial disappointment.

I don't know why our mind can let us hate something when it disappoints us, because even though I hate GTA4 for being a crap GTA, its still better than most other games, so why do I hate a "great" game? I don't know.

@g-value

The point was to show you people have different opinions even about your beloved games, there's no point in hounding them over it and then claiming they haven't played enough RPG's, thats just rude, no-one else did it in this thread except you. Hell you didn't even ask for my justification for my rankings, so I think we'r done discussing this here now.

Lets get back on topic -- FF12 & KH2.

See I have a problem I need to just force myself past the first hour of KH because I love tetsuya nomura. I just I dunno, it's hard for me to get into a new JRPG for the first time, that's not FF, Xenosaga I was able to get into. But, most of them I keep playing an hour, and then i restart and try, then I'm like yay its great!

@theliaftree

Its hard for me to get into anything other than FF/bethesda/bioware/pokemon in RPG's

Persona 4 only echoed that cus I disliked it.

BUT after I got a DS it all changed, I have ended up buying RPG's I'd never buy. I got into Dragon Quest, Now Shin Megami Tensei, TWEWY & so on

Now I tried KH1 and like it....haven't finished it though

I am playing SO4 now & I like it too.....did you like SO4?!! I can';t believe the amount of whining the game went through!

you forgot metal gear, :P as I think you like that game.

But yeah... me too FF/bethesda/bioware/DEUS EX :D

SO4, I liked it as in Enjoyable, but it wasn't really close one of my favorite games.... it was kinda like equivalent to legend of dragoon to me (not in plot but in.. liking and that makes sense).

I loved Persona 3, because it was different. And a tad bit edgy. And the story was much better than P4 IMO

I didn't like persona 4, because it was the same (see where FFXIII gives you beautiful varied places to go through with cutscenes), persona 4 gave you randomly generated corridors

Dragon Quest VIII was kinda like FFXII to me, in it was fun, but not memorable (to me atleast), except for YANGUS :P

I only have FFIV, Pokemon, The World Ends with you for the DS. The world ends with you, is cool, it's kinda weird though very japanesey and im japanese!, tetsuyo nomura designed the characters. And FFIV I like the 2d version because I thought it looked like FFIX, except for in FFIX the look fit and in FFIV it doesn't imo

Kingdom Hearts 2 is not only my favorite action game or RPG, it is my favorite game EVER in the WORLD.

Best RPG ever.

Kingdom Hearts Re CoM is also more RPG oriented, making use of more strategy and menu-work. It's great as well.

I thought I was the only one who loved P3 but didn't really like P4. What I liked in P3 was that you had to go through 10+ floors to find 'save spot.' In P4, you can complete one floor, go to the second floor and get out of the dungeon. When you re-enter the dungeon, you have to option to start from floor 2. It made the game less challenging and exciting.

Story and characters were better in P3, imo. Same goes for the city/environment. P4 had a lot of repetition, unneccessary dialogue and too much story thrown at the beginning. 3 hours before playing the game was too much for me, and the story went nowhere for like 70% of the game.

I also didn't like the gameplay changes in P4. If you cast maragi and at least hit one enemy's weakness, you get an extra turn no matter if the others nulled it or drained it. Once again, it made the game easy. Also I'm not sure if it's just me, but it was kind of hard getting a player advantage. The shadows noticed you before you reached them.

Though some things I liked in P4 were that party member social link affected how they act in battles. It basically gave you a reason to form a bond with your party members. I also liked that you can control each party member, and that you didn't have to talk to them individually to change their equipment. Lastly, it was pretty funny.

I'm very excited for Persona 3 Portable. Playing as a female and dungeon traps = win!

@darth, Strange Journey's story isn't that good unless you like monotonous fetch quests. I made it like halfway through the game before I put it down and went back to Devil Survivor.

I have been waiting for a topic like this to appear somewhere... Now face the consequences(super long list appearing) *Evil laugh*

Ar tonelico series
Atelier series
Arc the Lad series
Dark Cloud
Disgaea Series
Grandia Series
Growlanser Series
Shadow Hearts Series
SMT: Persona Series
Star Ocean 2 & 3
Suikoden 1-5
Vandal Hearts 1 & 2
Valkyrie Profile 1 & 2
Wild Arms series
Xenosaga 1-3
Kingdom Hearts 1 & 2
Final fantasy 7-10-2 + 12-13
Rhapsody: A Musical Adventure
Rouge Galaxy
Xenogears
Saga Frontier 1 & 2
Legend of Mana
Legend of Dragoon
Legend of Legaia
Thousand Ams
Tales of Destiny
Tales of Eternia
Tales of The Abyss
Tales of Legendia
Vanguard Bandits
Vagrant Story
Dragon Quest/Warrior VII
Dragon Quest VIII

Thes aren't in any specific order, and I know I missed some.