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Alby_da_Wolf said:
Kasz216 said:

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It gives SOME meaningful information.

Basically if capitlized correctly GT can be a huge system seller. (I know... shock right?)

The problem is... to capitilize on this they'd need to set up deals, cut price 1 week only release date of the system or something... because say all 1000 say they are going to buy the game... of that 1000... a LOT aren't really going to buy the game...

Moreso the people without a PS3 then those with one, since the barrier to entry and the reasons they may not get it are higher.

I mean, you haven't bought eveything you've planned on buying right?  I know there are loads of games I planned to buy I never got around to buying yet. 

Add it a $299 entrance fee, things that may come up with money or buying another system due to sales or another game catching your eye, or just in general interest in the product waning.


What this tells us is that short term promotional deals would be HUGE for GT5.  A bundle, temporary pricecut/giftcard deals sony may want to bankroll... they should agressively market PS3's at this time.

 

They could adjust the price list and SKUs offer, for example:

Plain 120GB PS3 $249

Entry level Move bundle 120GB PS3 +  Move + minigames $299

Plain 250GB PS3 $289 or $299

Usual games bundles 250GB PS3 + 1 or more Games $325-349 (depending on games)

Premium Move bundle 250GB PS3 + Move + Game $359

Games + extra Move controller bundles $69-79

They can, but rarely does it seem that it's done in this industry.  I mean why is nearly every PS3 game sold at 60 and every wii game at 50?  That can't be the perfect elastic point for ALL games.

 



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Kasz216 said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:
Kasz216 said:

[...]

It gives SOME meaningful information.

Basically if capitlized correctly GT can be a huge system seller. (I know... shock right?)

The problem is... to capitilize on this they'd need to set up deals, cut price 1 week only release date of the system or something... because say all 1000 say they are going to buy the game... of that 1000... a LOT aren't really going to buy the game...

Moreso the people without a PS3 then those with one, since the barrier to entry and the reasons they may not get it are higher.

I mean, you haven't bought eveything you've planned on buying right?  I know there are loads of games I planned to buy I never got around to buying yet. 

Add it a $299 entrance fee, things that may come up with money or buying another system due to sales or another game catching your eye, or just in general interest in the product waning.


What this tells us is that short term promotional deals would be HUGE for GT5.  A bundle, temporary pricecut/giftcard deals sony may want to bankroll... they should agressively market PS3's at this time.

 

They could adjust the price list and SKUs offer, for example:

Plain 120GB PS3 $249

Entry level Move bundle 120GB PS3 +  Move + minigames $299

Plain 250GB PS3 $289 or $299

Usual games bundles 250GB PS3 + 1 or more Games $325-349 (depending on games)

Premium Move bundle 250GB PS3 + Move + Game $359

Games + extra Move controller bundles $69-79

They can, but rarely does it seem that it's done in this industry.  I mean why is nearly every PS3 game sold at 60 and every wii game at 50?  That can't be the perfect elastic point for ALL games.

 

Right. I was mainly trying to figure out a pricing scheme that make neither Sony lose money (by next Autumn $249 should be roughly the break-even price for the entry level) nor the richest bundle too expensive.



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All the trustworthy study shows is that GT5 will be a huge system seller. How is that so shocking that people are making themselves look very foolish trying to discredit the poll?



windbane said:
All the trustworthy study shows is that GT5 will be a huge system seller. How is that so shocking that people are making themselves look very foolish trying to discredit the poll?

The truth is often painful and unsettling.

It's even more painful when you get banned for using smelling salts on someone.



theprof00 said:
windbane said:
All the trustworthy study shows is that GT5 will be a huge system seller. How is that so shocking that people are making themselves look very foolish trying to discredit the poll?

The truth is often painful and unsettling.

It's even more painful when you get banned for using smelling salts on someone.

you have misconception about a lot of things.



MikeB predicts that the PS3 will sell about 140 million units by the end of 2016 and triple the amount of 360s in the long run.

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saicho said:
theprof00 said:
windbane said:
All the trustworthy study shows is that GT5 will be a huge system seller. How is that so shocking that people are making themselves look very foolish trying to discredit the poll?

The truth is often painful and unsettling.

It's even more painful when you get banned for using smelling salts on someone.

you have misconception about a lot of things.

It's time you took a look in the mirror. I've taken several levels of statistics and I told you that the specific numbers don't matter.

You want to know the numbers because you think there is a linear relationship that you could understand. You think there is a number like 39 out of 100, out of a thousand. But in reality, it could be any series of numbers. 35 out of 90, 70 out of 92, 180 out of 181, 731 out of 1000. They can potentially all lead to 39%. Because as I explained, there are several factors which change the numbers: several factors that are carefully calculated. You are not going to get a linear relationship like 39 out of 100, or 390 out of 1000. And that is what you don't understand/refuse to understand.

Secondly, you might reply to this saying, "I never cared about the specifics, I just want some proof and a look at the methodology". Well, like I said previously, you aren't going to get it. A company isn't going to give you, an anonymous forum member, the secret recipe that made them 20th stat company in the US. Of course, you can take the lack of evidence as evidence that the methodology is flawed. I'm not going to tell you that is wrong to do, even though it is. You can do what you want. But try to keep in mind that it would be a big mistake for a company to release baseless numbers. Sure, maybe they made a mistake, but don't count yourself so highly that you would be the one to figure it out, and never would the error be something so mundane as not having a large enough sample population.

But hey, don't listen to me...listen to kasz, he is far more advanced with stats and research than I, and I defer to his wisdom even though I may take argument with what he says at times. The way I look at it, when I have an argument with kasz the arguments I have are the footholds I'm stepping into. With each argument I go higher and higher until I overcome the obstacle of understanding. That is how you should treat this entire discussion.



theprof00 said:
saicho said:
theprof00 said:
windbane said:
All the trustworthy study shows is that GT5 will be a huge system seller. How is that so shocking that people are making themselves look very foolish trying to discredit the poll?

The truth is often painful and unsettling.

It's even more painful when you get banned for using smelling salts on someone.

you have misconception about a lot of things.

It's time you took a look in the mirror. I've taken several levels of statistics and I told you that the specific numbers don't matter.

You want to know the numbers because you think there is a linear relationship that you could understand. You think there is a number like 39 out of 100, out of a thousand. But in reality, it could be any series of numbers. 35 out of 90, 70 out of 92, 180 out of 181, 731 out of 1000. They can potentially all lead to 39%. Because as I explained, there are several factors which change the numbers: several factors that are carefully calculated. You are not going to get a linear relationship like 39 out of 100, or 390 out of 1000. And that is what you don't understand/refuse to understand.

Secondly, you might reply to this saying, "I never cared about the specifics, I just want some proof and a look at the methodology". Well, like I said previously, you aren't going to get it. A company isn't going to give you, an anonymous forum member, the secret recipe that made them 20th stat company in the US. Of course, you can take the lack of evidence as evidence that the methodology is flawed. I'm not going to tell you that is wrong to do, even though it is. You can do what you want. But try to keep in mind that it would be a big mistake for a company to release baseless numbers. Sure, maybe they made a mistake, but don't count yourself so highly that you would be the one to figure it out, and never would the error be something so mundane as not having a large enough sample population.

But hey, don't listen to me...listen to kasz, he is far more advanced with stats and research than I, and I defer to his wisdom even though I may take argument with what he says at times. The way I look at it, when I have an argument with kasz the arguments I have are the footholds I'm stepping into. With each argument I go higher and higher until I overcome the obstacle of understanding. That is how you should treat this entire discussion.

1. The simplest numbers were used because they were the easiest for everyone to understand. However, that's the whole point. We don't know the numbers that lead to 39% and we can always throw random numbers to make it work. Can you please explain to me how you can extrapolate based on 39% out of an unknown number in 1000? I think you are the one that doesn't/refuse to understand.

2. Again. I never said methodology is flawed or they made a mistake. I didn't question how the survey was conducted or what kind of gamers were conducted. All I said was the number presented to me doesn't show anything meaningful. There are others, including you, conclude that GT5 is gonna be huge or it will be a huge system seller based on only the statement "39% Of Gamers Who Plan To Buy GT5 Do Not Yet Own A PS3". Wihtout knowing if GT5 is huge or not, then it can not be determined if it will be a huge system seller. I'm not arguing GT5 will not be huge or a huge system seller but rather how one can jump to a conclusion based on incomplete information. Maybe it is a complete information that I missed. In such case, please explain how you can tell if GT5 will be huge or not base on that one sentence without knowing any other studies.



MikeB predicts that the PS3 will sell about 140 million units by the end of 2016 and triple the amount of 360s in the long run.