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Dgc1808 on 04 April 2010
bxnytony said:
hmmm again it seems many people here are just saying no big deal without reading my points. the tos and eula are both invalid as u cant pre consent to after market modification in amerca. Example: itunes. they also state that it may be necessary to update software or risk certain functionality loss or security threats. ok but if my itunes is still running at 6.0 can they ban u from the itunes store. nope that would be illegal. let me also be clear. i dont use the other os feature. i am merely concerned about the bad precedent this could set. suppose they said ohhh people might put illegally downloaded music so remove mp3 function. or disable wifi so they cant sign on thru unsecure network. one of the best things in america is that we are not forced to give up our rights in the name of security or big business. please people realize that this discussion is not about the other os feature but about consumer rights.

Stop posting on a forum that has no connection to the company or a court and just sue SONY already! Take action!



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divwilson50 on 04 April 2010

like past posts, try and sue them. im sure they consulted lawyers before taking this action and have themselves covered.



 



 

brainiacxiii on 04 April 2010

Dork.

The end user liscence agreement is a legally binding contract. All EU agreements allow for fouture modification and you have to accept the changes. Theres no law saying if you dont accept the changes you get to enjoy a product no longer being offered. Less than 1/100th of 1 perfecnt of ps3 owners used otherOS and the people who do, don;t play games on their ps3. OtherOS is primarily used to run simmulation and brute force calculation like GOV password cracking and protien folding. I dont think the government cares if theyll be able to play uncharted 3 on there supercomputer nework. Noone bought a ps3 for linux, and if for some reason you did, then you are a freakin dumbass.

Lets buy a 600$ games, blueray, pictures music movies and internet machine to run LINUX..yeah great idea.

anyone using the ps3 to learn cell program via linux isn;t using it for games. and Sony reserves the right to protect itself against piracy. It isn;t sony breaking the law here professor, it is george holt or whatever ghis name is. Is it unfortunate? sure, illegal no.

But if its a super big deal, just buy a slim an keep your phat for linu :) Sony wins!!!



mirgro on 04 April 2010

I saw this thread and I was looking forward to seeing 10% of people with their heads on straight and 90% of people with their heads up their asses.

I was not disappointed.

Now to contribute. Do the idiots in this thread realize that just because a EULA or a ToS was signed doesn't mean it takes precedence over the law? Just like I can't kill someone just because we agreed to a contract, I am sure SONY will get slammed whether there is a EULA or not. I wish that the userbase of SONY would brighten up to see what's going and become smart consumer, but I guess that would only happen around the time utopia is comes about.



STEKSTAV on 04 April 2010
bxnytony said:

this could set is that any manufacturer could remove or disable any fucntion they see fit after u pay for it. 


Like shuting down servers of MP games because they no longer are supported? Internet rage and all, i dont think SONY just removes features and put themselves in a bad position just for lulz. And specially not without first discussing it in board rooms and with their legal department. They got their shit together and all you laymans can try and be all Tom Cruise'y and "you cant handle the truth". But at the end of the day, its done, deal with it.



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scottie on 05 April 2010
bxnytony said:

ok guys imma point out several of the things that are illegal about sony's current "optional" 3.21 firmware update.

1) after market modification is illegal for both the consumer and manufacturer without consent from the opposite party. it states in the tos that they reserve the right to alter software at anytime however its illegal since u cant pre agree to modification. Federal law renders their own tos void because u cant actually enter into an agreement which breaks the law within itself.

2)false advertising - every single ps3 system and game advertises psn access. now no ps3 advertises or specifies firmware requirements therefore they can not block u from accessing the psn based solely on what firmware you use. Also some games clearly state on the box specific firmware requirements. if ur system meets the minimum required firmware then they are legally bound to allow u access to all functions of the game including online play. since no game could possibly require firmware 3.21 as it just came out blocking the access of those who choose not to upgrade is a violation of ur consumer rights. they agree to let u play online when u buy the game so how can they pull it back because u don't upgrade to a firmware that isn't specified as a requirement.

3)theft of service- when u purchase a system or game u are not just purchasing a product u are purchasing a service. the psn is a service that they agree to give u access to upon purchase. it  is clearly advertised on all packaging with no listed firmware requirements. no it is not a free service. every single game and system bought is money for sony that is used to maintain the service that is clearly advertised on the packaging. again by restricting ur access based on firmware they are disabling ur access to a service that was already agreed upon at a set "price".

4)consumer deception- the new update is specifically listed as optional!!! how is that possible when not updating will restrict from using features that were previously functional. this is illegal. even if it states that you will be blocked should u not update in a new eula or tos, by refusing the update u r also refusing the tos or eula including the part which bans u form utilizing the psn based on firmware specification.

5) the psp- (big issue here) my psn account is blocked on my ps3 but not on my psp???????????? how is that? same account same psn. i'm sure they use different programming and code but they also use different firmware. the psn is not designated as psp or psn therefore they obviously cant restrict it based on firmware as my psp CANT use ps3 firmware 3.21 duh. you cant say oh for the psp its one thing and for the ps3 its another as they both are granting access to the same network.

Please people read this and take note. Hey xbox players same goes for u guys. this is bigger than sony or games in general. the precedence this could set is that any manufacturer could remove or disable any fucntion they see fit after u pay for it. 

 

I havent read the whole thread, I'm sure dozens of people have already pointed this out

 

1) This is incorrect. Firmware updates are by no means illegal in The USA, Europe of Australia. I don't know about anywhere else but I doubt they would be. World of Warcraft requires you to update to the msot recent version or you lose all access, Wii firmware must be up to date or you can't play new games.

 

2) They advertise PSN access and they provide it. I don't see how this is illegal. Again, WoW is a good example of how wrong you are.

 

3) Yes, that would be illegal if they stole PSN service from you. They don't so it is fine :)

 

4) Do you know what option means? If you have two OPTIONS, lets say, installing or not, then this is an optional process. It just so happens that one of these options (not updating) is a bad option. And requiring the most recent software is not illegal in any western country btw

 

5) Your PSN is not blocked. I have been over this in each of my points I believe.



hahadumb on 05 April 2010
axumblade said:
I'm confused.

Did that many people really actually have linux on their PS3's or are they just babbling because the possibility of having the OS on their PS3 has been taken away?

 

The only people who bought a PS3 in the first year were people who wanted to put Linux on it and morons.



C_Hollomon on 05 April 2010
Dgc1808 said:
bxnytony said:
hmmm again it seems many people here are just saying no big deal without reading my points. the tos and eula are both invalid as u cant pre consent to after market modification in amerca. Example: itunes. they also state that it may be necessary to update software or risk certain functionality loss or security threats. ok but if my itunes is still running at 6.0 can they ban u from the itunes store. nope that would be illegal. let me also be clear. i dont use the other os feature. i am merely concerned about the bad precedent this could set. suppose they said ohhh people might put illegally downloaded music so remove mp3 function. or disable wifi so they cant sign on thru unsecure network. one of the best things in america is that we are not forced to give up our rights in the name of security or big business. please people realize that this discussion is not about the other os feature but about consumer rights.

Stop posting on a forum that has no connection to the company or a court and just sue SONY already! Take action!


Agree!  If you so mad at Sony for this then sue them and stop making threads about it.  You not accomplishing anything by complaining.  Take action and sue.  You might have a change of winning.  Actually you don't sorry. 



Chairman-Mao on 05 April 2010

Geez give it a rest. Did anyone even use "other OS"? Well obviously you did if you're writing this; but I highly doubt that many people did.



mirgro on 05 April 2010
Chairman-Mao said:
Geez give it a rest. Did anyone even use "other OS"? Well obviously you did if you're writing this; but I highly doubt that many people did.

You make it sound like that's some sort of valid excuse.