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johnathonmerritt on 30 March 2010

I really enjoy having Linux on my PS3. I currently do not have internet at home so I don't have to worry about getting this update right now, but I can say illegal or not, I will use hacked firmware until Sony re-adds Linux support.



I have moved and do not have the internet at home, yet.

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Kasz216 on 30 March 2010
KylieDog said:
ruibing said:
only777 said:

But the fact is Sony are going to choose security over Linux any day of the week.

Still better than the alternative of mass piracy. Do you really want to take the chance of people pirating so much games that developers stop supporting it? It happened to the PSP and it can definitely happen to the PS3.

 

It happened to the Xbox 360 too!  And the DS!  Oh wait.

 

Yeah... Piracy didn't kill the PSP software buisness.  It saved the PSP hardware buisness outside of Japan.



Icyedge on 30 March 2010

Im sorry but the law dont back this up. If you dont upgrade your PS3 youll keep "other OS". The update is not mandatory, they dont force you in updating. Actually they simply dont have (legally speaking) to ever update the console if they dont want too.

That being said, morally speaking, its fucked up that a company advertise a service and highly encourage people to subscribe to it. And then decide that to keep using the service you subscribe to, you have to accept they are going to remove a feature from the product you purchase. I dont aknowledge this, but unfortunately theres nothing, legally speaking to do about this. You personally select to have "other OS" remove from your console when updating.



alekth on 30 March 2010

^ Actually you will be forced to update with some newer game, even if you never again attempt to log in into PSN.

The first time you run into a PS3 game that you cannot play on your PS3, Sony's product doesn't correspond to the description it was sold to you under, and at least under EU law you have a pretty firm footing.



Icyedge on 30 March 2010
alekth said:
^ Actually you will be forced to update with some newer game, even if you never again attempt to log in into PSN.

The first time you run into a PS3 game that you cannot play on your PS3, Sony's product doesn't correspond to the description it was sold to you under, and at least under EU law you have a pretty firm footing.

I know some games might get you to update, but those update will not remove "otherOS" for legal reason, its obvious. The update will be needed only to connect to PSN. Its the only service agreement they can use legally speaking to remove "otherOS".



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alekth on 30 March 2010

That is not apparent with their wording:

"Playback of PS3 software titles or Blu-ray Disc videos that require PS3 system software version 3.21 or later."



Icyedge on 31 March 2010

Sony never said that. Some people talking about this, journalist, reporter, blogger simply assumed that. Some newest game ask for an update if yours is very outdated, thats true, but those update will not remove "other OS". Having a mandatory update to play game that would remove "otherOS" would go against law of many country. While if its only banning PSN, its all legal. If you try to find an article (I did), where Sony claim anything like your sentence, make sure its between "quotes". Journalist tends to exagerate things, like saying it wouldnt let you play newest games and bluray.



Xoj on 31 March 2010

well u know someone explained a way to hack it and sony went over protective about it console

doesn't matter, even if they disable.

future custom firmwares will re allow it



Ail on 31 March 2010
only777 said:

Ok lets face facts, users like me are NOT going to be able to keep 'Install other OS' after 3.21.  We can shout and scream but its not going to happen.  It anoys me becuase I have Ubuntu on my PS3 which I use for retro emulation.  But the fact is Sony are going to choose security over Linux any day of the week.

 

But I say we don't take this laying down, we fight for what we want and we use EU law to get something in return for this loss.

 

EU Directive 1999/44/EC:
The goods must
· comply with the description given by the seller and posses the same qualities and characteristics as other similar goods
· be fit for the purpose which the consumer requires them and which was made known to the seller at the time of purchase.
· are fit for the purpose for which goods of the same type are used
· show the same quality and performance, which are normal in goods of the same type and which consumers can reasonably expect. This will also take into account any public statements made about the specific characteristics of the goods by the producer, seller or in their advertising.

 

Now that is law in the EU so we actually have the legal right to keep 'Install other OS' - But instead of this lets threaten Sony into giving us a load of other stuff.

 

I say we DEMAND the following for them breaking the law:

 

  • MKV video support,
  • Multi region PS1 and PS2 support on backwards compatable models
  • ipod support
  • A direct port of Firefox used on Linux platforms with full flash support, better GUI, and a vast array of plug-ins
  • NTFS HDD support

 

These are easy things to do for Sony and I think many people would feel that gaining these but losing the other OS would be a fair trade off.  I am against priacy, but I am also against being robbed of features I have paid for.

We have the law on our side, and I think this is something that can be pulled off if enough people get behind.

yes you do have the legal right not to upgrade to the new firmware.

Sony never said you had to...



PS3-Xbox360 gap : 1.5 millions and going up in PS3 favor !

PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !

alekth on 31 March 2010
Icyedge said:
Sony never said that. Some people talking about this, journalist, reporter, blogger simply assumed that. Some newest game ask for an update if yours is very outdated, thats true, but those update will not remove "other OS". Having a mandatory update to play game that would remove "otherOS" would go against law of many country. While if its only banning PSN, its all legal. If you try to find an article (I did), where Sony claim anything like your sentence, make sure its between "quotes". Journalist tends to exagerate things, like saying it wouldnt let you play newest games and bluray.

The sentence is from the official EU PS blog:

http://blog.eu.playstation.com/2010/03/29/ps3-firmware-3-21-coming-april-1st/