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I've said it before and I'll say it again: Sony should forget about hand-helds and focus on the PS3. They did remarkably well in the console space before concentrating on portable gaming. The only way I see them doing well in this market is to create an iPhone type device. They still wouldn't touch Nintendo's market but they could at least find their niche with a system that was a phone, mp3 player, etc., plus house all of their first-party exclusives.



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I would like to see SONY make the PSP2 into a awesome gaming machine before any thing else multimedia is necessary but should take a back seat to gaming. Now with the 3DS the PSP2 looks like it will need 3D support to and the PSP2 needs to dump UMD as a media format without resorting to Digital Distribution.



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LordTheNightKnight said:
"So you think that Sony can potentially find a way that both Nintendo AND Apple haven't thought of yet?"

Duh. There would have to be a perfect device to preclude that, and perfection in such a thing is an impossibility as long as people have differing needs and tastes.

"Additionally, this precludes any new competition entering the market."

It doesn't have to preclude, just be first, and not try to overshoot their market later on.

"Right now, there are plenty of devices that are following that same kind of strategy as the walkman."

It was not a strategy that made the Walkman a hit. It was filling in what the mainstream was looking for and couldn't get.

"look, there is literally nothing the psp can do that the competition can't do more successfully except for providing a specific type of game."

Doing it more successfully requires Sony did it wrong in the first place. Better Walkman imitators were made and Walkman was still the leader. The Zune was a better iPod and that was still the leader. It's not a matter of what Sony does that the others "can't" do. It's what the others "did" not do and Sony does it first and secures the mainstream first.

The problem is, both Nintendo and Apple are doing their functions correctly, on all fronts.

I understand that you are applying the strategy and its fundamental qualities, but there is literally nothing else. In your own words "they are screwed"



theprof00 said:
lord, I'm confused by how you can say that they should go for the mainstream needs and then disagree with me when I listed the features it would require for mainstream.

Sure the 3d I listed isn't mainstream, but if it doesn't have that, it is even less differentiated. In a market where Nintendo is holding all the cards, letting them take an entire section of a new market is a mistake, especially when the wii proved that nintendo is great at finding new untapped markets.

1. Just because you claim those are does not mean they actually are. And if you mean those are on mainstream devices, then that doubles that Sony shouldn't use them since they would follow the red ocean. People already have phones. Just imitating the iPhone makes it a Zune. Other features are geek wants, not mainstream wants.

2. They should let Nintendo have that and make their own market. The point of the red ocean is that you avoid it. At least until you are ready for disruption, but Sony needs to make their own market before trying for something like that. Apple couldn't make a dent against Windows, but when they found their own markets, even Bill Gates was reported to be worried.

Frankly, Sony's best best is to include something a lot of you aren't going to like, but the mainstream will love. I don't know what it might be, or else I would try to make or pitch such a product myself. The reason it needs to be something you tech people hate is that it ensure they won't try it themselves until it is too late.



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archbrix said:
I've said it before and I'll say it again: Sony should forget about hand-helds and focus on the PS3. They did remarkably well in the console space before concentrating on portable gaming. The only way I see them doing well in this market is to create an iPhone type device. They still wouldn't touch Nintendo's market but they could at least find their niche with a system that was a phone, mp3 player, etc., plus house all of their first-party exclusives.

I hate to beat a dead horse, but just because it's been said doesn't mean it's not true. So many of the games the PSP is trying to make NEED dual analog to be GREAT, they can be "playable" or "okay" without it, but who wants that?

The DS is NOT a multimedia machine, has anyone noticed that? Nintendo has sold a gazillion of them too, why should the PSP try to be an everything machine, you end up with nothing being outstanding. Make it a GREAT gaming machine first, focus on software first, make it multifunction only if you can and it makes sense.



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theprof00 said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
"So you think that Sony can potentially find a way that both Nintendo AND Apple haven't thought of yet?"

Duh. There would have to be a perfect device to preclude that, and perfection in such a thing is an impossibility as long as people have differing needs and tastes.

"Additionally, this precludes any new competition entering the market."

It doesn't have to preclude, just be first, and not try to overshoot their market later on.

"Right now, there are plenty of devices that are following that same kind of strategy as the walkman."

It was not a strategy that made the Walkman a hit. It was filling in what the mainstream was looking for and couldn't get.

"look, there is literally nothing the psp can do that the competition can't do more successfully except for providing a specific type of game."

Doing it more successfully requires Sony did it wrong in the first place. Better Walkman imitators were made and Walkman was still the leader. The Zune was a better iPod and that was still the leader. It's not a matter of what Sony does that the others "can't" do. It's what the others "did" not do and Sony does it first and secures the mainstream first.

The problem is, both Nintendo and Apple are doing their functions correctly, on all fronts.

I understand that you are applying the strategy and its fundamental qualities, but there is literally nothing else. In your own words "they are screwed"

No, you (and perhaps Sony) just aren't accepting that there is something else. There is always something else, or else tech growth could not exist. Or are you believing the the notion that everything has been invented?



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

"The DS is NOT a multimedia machine, has anyone noticed that? Nintendo has sold a gazillion of them too, why should the PSP try to be an everything machine, you end up with nothing being outstanding. Make it a GREAT gaming machine first, focus on software first, make it multifunction only if you can and it makes sense."

That and go for a form of gaming Nintendo isn't trying. Not "bigger and more detailed" though.



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs


Sony doesn't belong in the Handheld market.

The reason why they launched the Psp is because they thought it was going to be the same success as the playstation 1.



LordTheNightKnight said:
theprof00 said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
"So you think that Sony can potentially find a way that both Nintendo AND Apple haven't thought of yet?"

Duh. There would have to be a perfect device to preclude that, and perfection in such a thing is an impossibility as long as people have differing needs and tastes.

"Additionally, this precludes any new competition entering the market."

It doesn't have to preclude, just be first, and not try to overshoot their market later on.

"Right now, there are plenty of devices that are following that same kind of strategy as the walkman."

It was not a strategy that made the Walkman a hit. It was filling in what the mainstream was looking for and couldn't get.

"look, there is literally nothing the psp can do that the competition can't do more successfully except for providing a specific type of game."

Doing it more successfully requires Sony did it wrong in the first place. Better Walkman imitators were made and Walkman was still the leader. The Zune was a better iPod and that was still the leader. It's not a matter of what Sony does that the others "can't" do. It's what the others "did" not do and Sony does it first and secures the mainstream first.

The problem is, both Nintendo and Apple are doing their functions correctly, on all fronts.

I understand that you are applying the strategy and its fundamental qualities, but there is literally nothing else. In your own words "they are screwed"

No, you (and perhaps Sony) just aren't accepting that there is something else. There is always something else, or else tech growth could not exist. Or are you believing the the notion that everything has been invented?

In making that statement, I am saying that the things that haven't been invented are either financially impossible, or not viable or marketable except to the gamers. Dual analogs, for example. Definitely possible. Blue Ocean? Not really. Glasses/virtual reality based...definitely possible, blue ocean? Yes...fincancially/etc affordable? No.

Think about it and get back to me with an idea.

The basic concept of a portable is that it's small, performs a function that is normally relegated to something larger or more expensive, and you have to look at a screen and have some kind of input.

Right now, there are literally hundreds, if not thousands of devices that fit those categories in varying aspects and prices.

But just keep in mind that the 3ds is going to severely disrupt the 3d market by providing a mainstream product that makes the rest look dated. And so far, it is an untapped market. So, Sony can either jump in that, or come up with its own idea.

So, think of an idea, and get back to me.. because what it looks like from here, there are markets with room for competitors. Other than that, Sony is in an untouched market with its video game division. There is no experience like the one on psp. So, in thinking of an idea, also keep in mind that they need to retain a portion of that...or they will be giving up a pretty large market, 60m consoles worth of market to be precise.



LordTheNightKnight said:
"The DS is NOT a multimedia machine, has anyone noticed that? Nintendo has sold a gazillion of them too, why should the PSP try to be an everything machine, you end up with nothing being outstanding. Make it a GREAT gaming machine first, focus on software first, make it multifunction only if you can and it makes sense."

That and go for a form of gaming Nintendo isn't trying. Not "bigger and more detailed" though.

The only thing I can imagine is MMOs, Facebook type gaming, and maybe a legitimate gambling network.