Oh right....People bought the wii because of the high quality games....

So what about wii fit, or Mario Karts (steering wheel), or the huge variety of sports games? To the guy somewhere above who metnions the amount of games sold, that's because they are sold all teh time with the wii. Imagine if the 360 was still flogging Oblivion with the 360.

Don't kid yourself. The wii's selling point is the controller because it's a "bit of fun", not that the wii offers good gaming in relation to the rest of the gaming market.

I think Nintendo should (and will) wait to launch a follow-up console until at least 2012, because they are still rolling out a lot of big properties for the Wii (as mentioned ad nauseum with the Mario/Zelda/Metroid trifecta), and usually there's a couple years' gap between releases in such key franchises, you'd expect that they'd have at least one (or more) of those ready for launch with a new console. Plus the Vitality Sensor, which while I have no idea (none of us do, really) how that will do for N, seems to be their focus now, and I can see them playing that up for a good year to year-and-a-half. Maybe late 2011, but I'm thinking 2012.

they said they didn't like making so called core games (shooters, hack & slashers etc) not that they didn't want that type of game on the Wii and even then I think that Zelda, Metroid and even "star hunter" Mario could be called core games lol tho they usually farm out core types of games to other other developers these days and they even publish some core games like Monster Hunter 3 etc lol

Wii Fit, Mario Kart, and many of the sports games (Wii Sport Resort in particular) are very fun, accessible, high-quality games that appeal to people with a wid range of value sets. Yes, people bu ythe Wii because of its software.

You're wrong. "A bit of fun" doesn't build up the kind of word of mouth necessary to sustain the kind of sales the Wii has had for the past three years.

So these games are high quality even though the pad isnt 1:1 and has a delay of 180ms, while having hideously dated AI and graphics?

Which part of the above screams quality...?

And yes it does. A bit of fun and something to keep the kids quiet, whilst being fashionable does produce sales. Fact is its seriously weaker in everyway than the other two consoles, let alone PC. Therefore in comparison the gaming quality on it is far worse than other consolesm the only advantage of the wii being the motion pad, which isn't all that good anyway (lag etc).

If you can tell me how the wii is high quality and would appeal to a veteran gamer, i'll have to rethink my stance on the wii. But from every game i've played on it, it doesn't come close to games of the same genre on other consoles, with possibly one or two exceptions. ANd then when you take media playback into acount, the wii is selling purely on the pad, not the quality of games (let's remeber where the term shovelware came from).

It's quality because of its production values, ease of use, robust design, and generally ahving you pantomime fun things to play. Most people do not give a shit about the things you're describing - I myself didn't really notice the input lag in Wii Sports Resort, and I have a feeling that most others don't either. So, yes. They're still very high quality, very fun, and highly accessible.

There is no single absolute metric of quality when it comes to software, and considering that its software is outselling either of the other two platforms, its software has to b appealing. Otherwise it wouldn't sell.

All right, I'll play this game with you, but we're going to take it slow and start far away from the Wii question. I'm building up to a point here.

Could you name me a game that a lot of people like - on the 360 or PS3, if you would, and make it "hardcore" - that you do not like? Anything that doesn't blow your skirt up.

Wii Sports and the like did push hardware; it STILL doesn't mean their big three lineup isn't strong.

If the word "casual" offends you, too bad.  Let's use "wider" since you seem to prefer it.  Many, many people who bought the Wii are people who fall into the "wider" category.  People that , as you admitted yourself, are not core gamers.  People who bought it on a whim, many of which hardly use it anymore.  People who are grandparents who like Wii bowling.  People who play every long once and a while with their kids.  In other words:  PEOPLE WHO PLAY CASUALLY!  Sound better?  Less idiotic, perhaps?  I never said this was a bad thing; not in the least.  No they would not be interested in Mario 64.  But Mario 64 did more than deliver a "3D star hunt".  It delivered a new era of gameplay and showed that Nintendo could gracefully transition great gameplay into 3D.  That impressed people whether they were fans of the direction the game took or not.  I personally prefer most of the 2D Mario games myself, and now that the "wider" market has embraced the Wii, great games like NSMB will surely sell much better.  But in 1996 Nintendo started the N64 off with a bang by adapting to the market instead of just releasing another 2D Mario which would have largely gone unnoticed at the time.  Super Mario World came with the SNES, but Super Mario World 2?  Despite being one of my favorite games ever, it definitely didn't sell anywhere near what Mario 64 and Galaxy have... there's your clue.

Sony opposed to what the wider market is looking for?  Because PS1 and PS2 didn't sell squat, right?  Do YOU hear yourself?  I won't argue against Christensen's points simply because I do agree with a lot of what the man says.  Doesn't mean Move and Natal couldn't surprise us, but I'm not holding my breath either.  And I never stated I "trusted" the analysts; I NEVER did, as I was sure Nintendo would regain their #1 spot in the market.  Why?  Because I DO understand the market.  Do You?

I am a veteran gamer and had hd console before I had a Wii and to me the wii offers by far the best gaming experience, the graphics are not the best but good enough the lag you are talking about is not noticable at all.

The only thing that is missing on the Wii is the 3rd party AAA support except for that the Wii is superior in every aspect to me.

I seriously doubt you could be a skilled veteran gamer if you think a lag of roughly 10+ fps isn't noticable.

180ms is massive. If that was ping, people would be screaming about how bad it was. What the wii is missing for me is everything. It can't do media playback and the games offer very little challange and are exceptionally un-immersive due to the poor controls (inherent problem with the wii) and the awful graphics. Party games are fine, but that's to gaming what modern art would be to the Masters.

first of all  AI is not really hardware limited atm more so by the developers metro has some of the best AI around but glitches are every ware especaily on the Xbox 360 version but I don't see that selling copys of games AI war is another game with good AI that doesn't sell that great AI has never sold anything much. Second just because the games don't look like PC or PS360 games doesn't mean that they are not quality the level design control etc are high quality and for the most part aimed at a wide audience and meant to be accessible, I mean do you think that all games not released before this generation are low quality? and finally are you not going to even try to address my argument I know there are a couple of flaws in it try to find them lol unless you have trouble understanding what I wrote if so just tell me and I will try to re-Write it for you.

P.S. I mean no offence by my last sentence it's just I know sometimes what I write can sometimes be hard to read for some people and that may be why you haven't addressed what I posted lol.

P.P.S.  commenting on someones English with "Better engrish please" is epic fail lol once again no offence.