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Should Nintendo launch in 2011-12 starting the next gen with monster power?

Launch in 2011- early 12 ... 115 63.89%
 
Launch in 2011, just larg... 42 23.33%
 
Re-release current Wii in 2011, just with HD 23 12.78%
 
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jarrod on 29 March 2010
scottie said:
Sorry to get off topic, but with so many people being wrong about the same thing I have to

The next Nintendo home console will NOT use Blu Ray.

Nes - proprietry storage format
Snes - proprietry storage format
N64- proprietry storage format
GC - proprietry storage format
Wii - proprietry storage format
Wii2 - a competitor's storage format

What the hell kind of pattern recognition is that?

Blu-ray isn't "a competitor's storage format", it's owned by a consortium of companies (just like DVD, which GC/Wii's disc format is based off of).  And Sony isn't even the top rights holder, Matsushita is (who also developed GC/Wii's disc format).  Pretty easy to see where this is going...

Sony also held a stake in Matrix Semiconductor, who's 3DM is the format used for DS cards.  That didn't keep Nintendo from also investing in the company and using the format (which is now owned by SanDisk)...



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Raze on 29 March 2010

I expect the next Nintendo console launching in 2012, just in time for the Mayan end of the world



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archbrix on 29 March 2010
axt113 said:
archbrix said:
axt113 said:
archbrix said:
axt113 said:
Gintoki said:
Hephaestos said:
none of the above.... I see these dates as too soon.

Nintendo won't be the first to make the move this gen... actually they never are the first to make the move regarding consoles...

really?Did not they annonce 3DS?

Well first off, Handhelds are different than consoles, in addition, the DS is a bit older than the Wii and its sales are starting to decline, also, we don't know all of the facts behind why they moved the 3DS now, were they expecting Sony to release something and moved to pre-empt it, or did they see an opening in Sony's strategy and decide to exploit it?

 

 In consoles on the other hand, the MOVE and NATAL are well known and well understood, and Nintendo has already cut them off with WM+, and are moving on with the Vitality sensor, they can afford to wait until after NATAL and the MOVE expend themselves, and until after the effect of the vitality sensor is seen before planning their next console's release, the Wii has yet to near the end of its run, so they can wait a while longer.

@axt113:

DS sales starting to decline?  Definitely not; 2009 was not only the DS's biggest year yet, it was the biggest selling system in a single year ever, handheld or console.

As far as waiting until Move and Natal establish themselves, that's exactly what Nintendo should NOT do.  Doesn't mean they won't, but they shouldn't rest on their laurels; that's what got them in trouble against the Playstation.

 

 

Except, 2010 is down yoy from 2009, so there is a decline, and with the lineup of DS this year, the decline was apparent even before the 3DS was announced

Nope, what got them in trouble against the Playstation was the lack of games to appeal to the wider audience, instead they launched with games like Mario 64, instead of a Super Mario, and repeated that mistake with GCN, they tried making me too consoles which fail, kind of like what MS and Sony are doing with their motion controllers, this is what got Nintendo into trouble, its also why the Wii is a huge success, because they changed their ways, now MS and Sony are trying the Me-too route, and that will be even worse for them.

Move and NATAL won't establish themselves, so Nintendo can wait for them to flop, check my sig, MOVE is already an assured failure and NATAL is little better

By this rational, 2011 could have a weak lineup for Wii seeing as how Mario, Metroid and possibly Zelda are all being released this year, making a Wii successor even more likely.

Mario 64 not appealing to a wide audience?  It single-handedly sold the N64, which had by far the biggest console launch ever for its time.  They lost to Sony because of them writing-off the importance of third parties and bucking the CD trend which, like I said, was them being over-confident and underestimating the competition.

And to disregard the possible success of Move of Natal is completely premature;  we barely know anything regarding software for the Move and NOTHING yet for Natal, with E3 still to come.  Personally I kind of hope they flop too, but your sig means nothing; NOBODY can know something like that at this point.  There simply isn't enough information yet...

 

Actually Zelda 3D mario and metrid aren't a strong lineup, they won't move hardware, Wii vitality will, so we don't know if Wii's lineup in 2011 will be weak, in fact it could be stronger than 2010's, and even if it is weak, it'll just herald a new console in 2012, which many are expecting.

And the N64 sold poorly, so what's your point?  Look at Mario 64 sales, compare to Mario 1, Mario 3, Mario world, NSMB for DS and Wii, tell me which sold better.  No CD and third parties is what people think made them do worse, but Wii is lacking in third party support and has older tech itself, and is crushing the PS3, and 360, so your argument fails

Actually Christensen can, he's the guy who came up with the strategy that Nintendo is following.  And he knows what MOVE and NATAL are and as a result can state that MOVE will fail

 

Wii vitality could very well be a casual lure like Wii Fit was, and no, that audience will not be swayed by Zelda Wii, Galaxy 2 or Metroid.  But to say that three of Nintendo's most popular franchises are not a strong lineup is ridiculous.  The original Galaxy had very strong sales and Zelda Wii will do the same.  There are still core gamers who do not own a Wii yet who are just waiting for Zelda Wii to appear.

Once again:  N64 sold poorly because of lacking third party support and the lack of CD, period.  Nintendo and Rare kept the system alive on their own, making it reach the 30 million+ systems it did sell.  The casual bandwagon hadn't been established yet so how can you say their games didn't appeal to a wide audience for that time (ever heard of GoldenEye?)?  By that definition Playstation didn't have "casual market" games either and it sold phenomenally.  I guarantee that if the N64 had launched with NSMB or Mario World they wouldn't have sold nearly as many copies as Mario 64 at that time.  People were expecting 3D after polygons became the standard; why do you think Mario, a very 2D based game from its gameplay inception, went 3D?  The Wii has sold incredibly because of creating a new market:  the casual gamer, along with being very affordable for said market.  I never disputed this.  What I said was Nintendo underestimated the competition before on many levels, NOT with the Wii where they went a different route than the competition... so my argument=win.

I agree with what Chistensen says as his basis is sound.  But software could make all of the difference.  I don't think it will in this case, but do you think the Wii or the DS for that matter would have been successes if another company was at the helm of that technology?  Nintendo's genius ideas for applications with the new tech is what made them appealing, and there is always a chance (a very slim one in this case) that Sony and Microsoft could create apps that make their respective peripherals appealing.  Again, we don't know enough details regarding software.  Christensen never once says, "Move will fail", only that it's not poised for large success.  There is a difference;  while it won't have the break-out success the Wii-mote did, it could still suffice for Sony, who is seeking the casual audience, rather than hit rock bottom.  This market is just too unpredictable for you to assume Move and Natal are instant failures.  How about the 90% of analysts who, with sound statistical reasoning, stated that Nintendo would be lucky with about 15% market share before this generation started?  I rest my case.

 

 



Roma on 29 March 2010
Mazty said:
Roma said:
Mazty said:
hsrob said:
Mazty said:

Well you could make the argument against the PS3, apart from the fact the term shovelware came from the junk games produced on mass for the wii...
Yes it is a hypothetical argument, but one rooted in, as i said, surveys which suggest many wii owners do not tend to play on their consoles for an amount of time that a serious gamer would.
Problem is the install base, as I've been saying, may not be interested in another console, because they are content with what the wii offers. Clearly they did not want good graphics (360 and PS3 provide better) or media playback, or even a remote that worked 'well' (180ms lag), so why would they buy a better console if they are happy with dated graphics and a laggy pad?

Yes again this is hypothetical, but not something that should just be dismissed as the above point shows that wii owners have not got a want for high quality, therefore why buy a better Wii?

You are making judgements about the quality of Wii games and assumptions about Wii owners which you can't back up and which I would argue don't even matter.  You may not appreciate many of Wii's offerings and you are entitled to your opinion but this 'quality' doesn't speak to the buying habits of the people who play Wii games or their likelihood of supporting Nintendo's new console.  You are using soft data (surveys?) which suggest that these people don't play their games much but in the end it doesn't matter one bit as long as they buy games, and by extension, hardware.

The only hard data we have is attach rate. You are right that the attach rate doesn't mean much when you take a snapshot but (and you'll have to take my word for this if you are new to the site) the Wii's attach rate has been rising for over 3.5 years which tells us that it's established users and new users are continuing to buy games in significant numbers.  Once again it doesn't matter if they only play each game for 5 minutes, the point is they are willing to hand their hard earned over to Nintendo /andor it's third parties.  So what about the behaviour of these people makes you so sure they won't continue to spend their money on Nintendo in the next generation? 

The only data we have says they have been willing to buy games and continue to buy games, which strongly suggest thats they have so far been happy with the products they have purchased and are willing to spend money.  I'm not saying this guarantees their future loyalty to Nintendo or their gaming habit, but why are you so sure that it doesn't.

 

Well let's look at thte facts of the wii and what a new one could offer:
The wii is technically very dated. The games are graphically dated and AI is not going to be impressive compared to the rest of the market.
The pad response time is about 180ms meaning the owners are not concerned about a responsive pad, nor is it 1:1 without motion +.

What could a new console offer that could entice people who clearly are not bothered about graphics or tech as they have the wii to begin with?

If they wanted cheap gaming they'd have chosen the xbox. If they wanted hardcore games, xbox or PS3. If they wanted state of the art graphics/bluray they'd have gone for the PS3.

So again, what could a new console possibly offer to these people who dont care about graphics, tech or media?

New and innovative games that only Nintendo can offer!! You have big problems it is not about the tech it is about the fun games Nintendo offers and if they buy new games then the will buy a new system to buy more new games. What the hell do you know what new stuff Nintendo will have that will attract them again plus new people? Do you know something we others don’t?

 

Now I don’t care about the shit your talking about the only thing I care about are the Nintendo games and if a 3rd party game comes out that is good I will buy it. The only thing that is gathering dust right now is my 360 as everything is the same there. I think I played with it for one year or so.

 

When a consumer buys something they do not think about what’s in the box they care about the price and what they will get with it and what they can get for it later on. So no they would not buy an Xbox because it is old tech. and your talking like there are no hardcore games on the Wii you can ask a casual and they would know better than you :P

 

Better engrish please.
And please read what you type. You said they don't care about what's in the box, but they care about what they will get in the box. Contradiction, no?

Fact is Nintendo have stated the wii does not do hardcore games. Wii gamers do not care about graphics or better AI etc as the wii is by far the weakest console of the three and not the cheapest. Therefore why would these people buy a next gen console if they do not care about better graphics, a more responsive pad, HD etc?

Thank you for pointing out the obvious more than five times now or something. Yes we know it is the weakest of the three sheesh

in the box is different than what’s with the box ;9 I meant if there is a game with it or something. They do not care what’s in the box as in what grafix card or whatever it has in it lol

where has Nintendo stated that it doesn’t do hardcore? You can actually create a machin that you can limit what kind of games you can produce with :O wow I didn’t know that.

 

oh man so all the games that I thought were hardcore are actually casual games…  



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zarx on 29 March 2010
Mazty said:
zarx said:
Mazty said:

 

Well let's look at thte facts of the wii and what a new one could offer:
The wii is technically very dated. The games are graphically dated and AI is not going to be impressive compared to the rest of the market.
The pad response time is about 180ms meaning the owners are not concerned about a responsive pad, nor is it 1:1 without motion +.

What could a new console offer that could entice people who clearly are not bothered about graphics or tech as they have the wii to begin with?

If they wanted cheap gaming they'd have chosen the xbox. If they wanted hardcore games, xbox or PS3. If they wanted state of the art graphics/bluray they'd have gone for the PS3.

So again, what could a new console possibly offer to these people who dont care about graphics, tech or media?

you mean besides better graphics and other power based improvements that could easaly put it above PS360 and if Sony and Microsoft wait longer to launch their next gen multi platform titles that look better than on the competition bringing core gamers etc, 1:1 controls with sub 100ms from launch, nintendo brand recognition, marketing and Games, better online capabilities and whatever new thing Nintendo adds? what more do you want do you think that nintendo would be averse to aiming to bring morecore gamers abord and expanding their market even more? I mean who knows what new innovation Nintendo could bring to their next console and from what I have seen they don't even realy need whatever it will be.

 

Thing is you just ignored my points, so I'll repeat myself;

If wii owners cared about graphics, they wouldn't own a wii as it is by far the worst of the 3 consoles for graphics. If they cared about responsive controls, they wouldn't have bothered with the wiimote and would be gaming on a 360 or PS3. The ones that care about 1:1 control own motion plus. 

What you can derive from wii owners are that they don't care about graphics, AI etc and generally the things improved by next gen consoles. Unless Nintendo go down the route of making something radically different, the wii owning market has shown itself not to be core gamers, meaning that you cant expect to treat them as such e.g. pretty graphics sells games, more power sells consoles etc.

well let me explain a few things, first just because consumers that never owned a console before were more attracted to the Wii than the HD consoles it doesn't mean that those same consumers won't be interested in a better version of the console they have, you are thinking about it from a old school gamer's point of view where because they didn't support the technically superior HD consoles that were just offering HD versions of the same games these people don't want a technically better version of their current console. just because consumers wren't interested in better specs before doesn't mean that in the future they won't be interested in a better version of the Wii, and much of it is with keeping up with the Joneses a lot of people are buying Wiis because people they know are buying them but if Nintendo offer a technologically superior and backwards compatible version, then those consumer will be more than happy to pay a little extra to not just keep up with the Joneses but sprint past them, additionally new consumers that own a new flash HD TV (a lot of people own them now) and they go to buy a Wii the shop assistant asks have you got a HD TV they reply yes and the shop assistant recommends Nintendos new console as it is HD, same could happen when someone buys a new HD TV. Admittedly this requires strategy relies on the Wii still being in high demand but it doesn't look like demand is going anywhere soon and it is just a couple of ways of getting new customers to new the "Wii2" console without even whatever new thing Nintendo brings with their new console.

 

As for bringing over people that already bought a Wii other than better specs there is also new games especially sequels to games like Wii fit (sold 22.56m copies), new super Mario bros (sold 13.03m copies on the Wii), Super smash bros (sold 9.39m on the Wii) not bad sales for a console where half the owners don't buy games as they are casuals who are happy with Wii sports or use it as a dust collector man there must be some dedicated fans to buy all those games. These sequels along side some new IP and some classic franchises and a lot of current Wii owners will make the jump to the next generation especially when you advertise it as being able to play all your old Wii games in HD as well as new Games that look much better. 



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Kenryoku_Maxis on 29 March 2010
Mazty said:
Kenryoku_Maxis said:

'Quality' of a console is entirely based on opinion.  And yours is plain to see.  And while some people may be prone not to like the Wii for its 'lack of graphics' or 'lack of technical specs', its plain to see the majority of people this gen like the Wii for reasons beyond that.

And there's nothing to say a more powerful and better looking successor to the Wii would do worse than the Wii did based on system performance.  Especially if it came out with no compeition.  That's even more backwards thinking.

Ah but there lies my point - if the owners are fine with a console which has dated graphics and slow reacting controls in comparison to the other consoles on the market, what could possibly entice them to buy a new console as clearly an improved machine (better graphics, better controls) are not a concern of theirs?

By using your logic, what enticed them to buy a Wii over the PS2?  Or any console over a handheld?

Obviously, the Wii opened up new markets, but not everyone who owns a Wii is a 'granny or 10 year old who only plays WiiSports'.  And there's nothing stopping them from buying a new Nintendo console.



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axt113 on 29 March 2010
archbrix said:

Wii vitality could very well be a casual lure like Wii Fit was, and no, that audience will not be swayed by Zelda Wii, Galaxy 2 or Metroid.  But to say that three of Nintendo's most popular franchises are not a strong lineup is ridiculous.  The original Galaxy had very strong sales and Zelda Wii will do the same.  There are still core gamers who do not own a Wii yet who are just waiting for Zelda Wii to appear.

Once again:  N64 sold poorly because of lacking third party support and the lack of CD, period.  Nintendo and Rare kept the system alive on their own, making it reach the 30 million+ systems it did sell.  The casual bandwagon hadn't been established yet so how can you say their games didn't appeal to a wide audience for that time (ever heard of GoldenEye?)?  By that definition Playstation didn't have "casual market" games either and it sold phenomenally.  I guarantee that if the N64 had launched with NSMB or Mario World they wouldn't have sold nearly as many copies as Mario 64 at that time.  People were expecting 3D after polygons became the standard; why do you think Mario, a very 2D based game from its gameplay inception, went 3D?  The Wii has sold incredibly because of creating a new market:  the casual gamer, along with being very affordable for said market.  I never disputed this.  What I said was Nintendo underestimated the competition before on many levels, NOT with the Wii where they went a different route than the competition... so my argument=win.

I agree with what Chistensen says as his basis is sound.  But software could make all of the difference.  I don't think it will in this case, but do you think the Wii or the DS for that matter would have been successes if another company was at the helm of that technology?  Nintendo's genius ideas for applications with the new tech is what made them appealing, and there is always a chance (a very slim one in this case) that Sony and Microsoft could create apps that make their respective peripherals appealing.  Again, we don't know enough details regarding software.  Christensen never once says, "Move will fail", only that it's not poised for large success.  There is a difference;  while it won't have the break-out success the Wii-mote did, it could still suffice for Sony, who is seeking the casual audience, rather than hit rock bottom.  This market is just too unpredictable for you to assume Move and Natal are instant failures.  How about the 90% of analysts who, with sound statistical reasoning, stated that Nintendo would be lucky with about 15% market share before this generation started?  I rest my case.

 

 

None of them pushed hardware, what pushed hardware was the wider market games, like Wii sports

Wrong, do you even hear yourself, the causual bandwagon, lol, you really don't get it, there is no causal bandwagon, only idiots think there is, the wider market has always been there, they just weren't interested in playing "core" games, things like Mario 64, they were interested in Super mario, but not 3D star hunter mario.  Their games didn't appeal to a wide audience, because none of them came close to the Super mario games of the earlier gens, they had cut off the wider market.  Wrong Super Mario has always sold more than 3D mario, get a clue.  You really don't understand the market at all do you?

 

Sony and MS have no chance of making that software, the values of those companies are opposed to what the wider market is looking for, which is why they could never make the, Wii.  Back then MOVE wasn't announced, all there was was rumors of what would become MOVE, but he did say that the rumored ideas were a bad idea and that alternatives were what Sony should do, now Sony is doing the wrong move, and it'll end like other disrutions, with Sony being crushed, in fact Christensen has outlined how Sony will be defeated in his books.

 

Those analysts are not Christensen, Christensen is smarter, he's the guy who created the whole disruption theory, and its the theory that Nintendo has followed to great success, and the success is continuing, so yeah, trust the guys who were wrong and are currently saying Move will be a success, or the guy who was right and who said MOVE was a bad idea, I'll trust Christensen.



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-Clayton Christensen back in 2007 already knew Move would be a bad idea

Mazty on 29 March 2010
vaio said:

If theese gamers that played ps2 were concerned with the best graphics they would have bough Gamecube or xbox instead and the wii´s capabilities are well beyond both the xbox and Gamecube.

This shows us that the mainstream gamer is interested in graphical leaps but not as big as the 360 or PS3 and not at the expence of gameplay.

When Nintendo releases their next console they will have to make a graphical leap that is big enough for them to care but not so big they don´t care and see to it that the gameplay inovations continue in the aspect of gameplay thats were hdconsoles have failed the greatest this gen and the graphical leap was to big for the mainstream gamer to care.

Thats a stupid comparison as the graphics of last gen were very similar. This gen the wii is far, far behind the other two consoles and not the cheapest, meaning that wii owners clearly care about the controller rather than graphics. If they cared about a responsive controller or graphics, they'd have got another console.

Therefore what can nintendo bring to the table, other than something shy of VR, to entice these people into getting another console? Clearly they don't want better hardware so that instantly breaks the trend of better graphics etc for a new console.

Granted HD consoles haven't been original, but I hardly think a console that sells on the premiss of good advertising, hideous graphics and a very poor motion controller (180ms lag, not 1:1) is hardly worthy of praise. Nintendo's marketting department yes, the wii itself, hardly.



Khuutra on 29 March 2010
Mazty said:

Thats a stupid comparison as the graphics of last gen were very similar. This gen the wii is far, far behind the other two consoles and not the cheapest, meaning that wii owners clearly care about the controller rather than graphics. If they cared about a responsive controller or graphics, they'd have got another console.

Therefore what can nintendo bring to the table, other than something shy of VR, to entice these people into getting another console? Clearly they don't want better hardware so that instantly breaks the trend of better graphics etc for a new console.

Granted HD consoles haven't been original, but I hardly think a console that sells on the premiss of good advertising, hideous graphics and a very poor motion controller (180ms lag, not 1:1) is hardly worthy of praise. Nintendo's marketting department yes, the wii itself, hardly.

It's not the controller. It's the software.

All people who play games follow the software.



Mazty on 29 March 2010
Roma said:
Mazty said:
Roma said:
Mazty said:
hsrob said:
Mazty said:

Well you could make the argument against the PS3, apart from the fact the term shovelware came from the junk games produced on mass for the wii...
Yes it is a hypothetical argument, but one rooted in, as i said, surveys which suggest many wii owners do not tend to play on their consoles for an amount of time that a serious gamer would.
Problem is the install base, as I've been saying, may not be interested in another console, because they are content with what the wii offers. Clearly they did not want good graphics (360 and PS3 provide better) or media playback, or even a remote that worked 'well' (180ms lag), so why would they buy a better console if they are happy with dated graphics and a laggy pad?

Yes again this is hypothetical, but not something that should just be dismissed as the above point shows that wii owners have not got a want for high quality, therefore why buy a better Wii?

You are making judgements about the quality of Wii games and assumptions about Wii owners which you can't back up and which I would argue don't even matter.  You may not appreciate many of Wii's offerings and you are entitled to your opinion but this 'quality' doesn't speak to the buying habits of the people who play Wii games or their likelihood of supporting Nintendo's new console.  You are using soft data (surveys?) which suggest that these people don't play their games much but in the end it doesn't matter one bit as long as they buy games, and by extension, hardware.

The only hard data we have is attach rate. You are right that the attach rate doesn't mean much when you take a snapshot but (and you'll have to take my word for this if you are new to the site) the Wii's attach rate has been rising for over 3.5 years which tells us that it's established users and new users are continuing to buy games in significant numbers.  Once again it doesn't matter if they only play each game for 5 minutes, the point is they are willing to hand their hard earned over to Nintendo /andor it's third parties.  So what about the behaviour of these people makes you so sure they won't continue to spend their money on Nintendo in the next generation? 

The only data we have says they have been willing to buy games and continue to buy games, which strongly suggest thats they have so far been happy with the products they have purchased and are willing to spend money.  I'm not saying this guarantees their future loyalty to Nintendo or their gaming habit, but why are you so sure that it doesn't.

 

Well let's look at thte facts of the wii and what a new one could offer:
The wii is technically very dated. The games are graphically dated and AI is not going to be impressive compared to the rest of the market.
The pad response time is about 180ms meaning the owners are not concerned about a responsive pad, nor is it 1:1 without motion +.

What could a new console offer that could entice people who clearly are not bothered about graphics or tech as they have the wii to begin with?

If they wanted cheap gaming they'd have chosen the xbox. If they wanted hardcore games, xbox or PS3. If they wanted state of the art graphics/bluray they'd have gone for the PS3.

So again, what could a new console possibly offer to these people who dont care about graphics, tech or media?

New and innovative games that only Nintendo can offer!! You have big problems it is not about the tech it is about the fun games Nintendo offers and if they buy new games then the will buy a new system to buy more new games. What the hell do you know what new stuff Nintendo will have that will attract them again plus new people? Do you know something we others don’t?

 

Now I don’t care about the shit your talking about the only thing I care about are the Nintendo games and if a 3rd party game comes out that is good I will buy it. The only thing that is gathering dust right now is my 360 as everything is the same there. I think I played with it for one year or so.

 

When a consumer buys something they do not think about what’s in the box they care about the price and what they will get with it and what they can get for it later on. So no they would not buy an Xbox because it is old tech. and your talking like there are no hardcore games on the Wii you can ask a casual and they would know better than you :P

 

Better engrish please.
And please read what you type. You said they don't care about what's in the box, but they care about what they will get in the box. Contradiction, no?

Fact is Nintendo have stated the wii does not do hardcore games. Wii gamers do not care about graphics or better AI etc as the wii is by far the weakest console of the three and not the cheapest. Therefore why would these people buy a next gen console if they do not care about better graphics, a more responsive pad, HD etc?

Thank you for pointing out the obvious more than five times now or something. Yes we know it is the weakest of the three sheesh

in the box is different than what’s with the box ;9 I meant if there is a game with it or something. They do not care what’s in the box as in what grafix card or whatever it has in it lol

where has Nintendo stated that it doesn’t do hardcore? You can actually create a machin that you can limit what kind of games you can produce with :O wow I didn’t know that.

 

oh man so all the games that I thought were hardcore are actually casual games…  

Unless you know better than the official Nintendo spokesperson, yeah, you should re-evaluate what you think a hardcore game is.

http://www.mcvuk.com/news/38035/Nintendo-Were-not-good-at-core-games?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+mcvuk%2FoXMK+%28MCV%3A+games+industry+news%29