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weezy on 27 March 2010

I didnt know Rare even existed anymore.

They made some awesome games in the 90's though...

You know, Donkey Kong Country and Ken Griffey Jr. Winning Run.



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abcdario on 27 March 2010
JGarret said:
@Scoobes

What happened to Rare during the N64-GameCube transition?....I ask this because if I remember correctly, it was around that time when they started their fall from grace.

 

I remember the fall began with Conquer´s Bad Fur Day, it didnt met sales expectations in the N64, later they took the Star Fox series and everybody hated that game. When there was MS buying the 51% part certain brothers had in RARE, it was Nintendo the one that sold the rest 49% since they realized RARE was not what it used to be.

 

I just think they lost that spark, and couldnt identify what the current generation was claiming in the games, the last game i heard of them was the Star Fox Adventures, in the Xbox/X360 they have done very little.



thismeintiel on 27 March 2010

The only games I remember really loving from them they can't make, as Nintendo owns the rights. That's right, the Donkey Kong Country's. Man those are some great games. I even have them on my Dingoo A-320 now. Love that thing, too.



 

Mr Puggsly on 28 March 2010
Scoobes said:
Mr Puggsly said:
Scoobes said:

From what I've played I'm really not sure that's true. I don't think they would have much more success on Wii or DS than on 360. The games just don't seem to have the charm and quality of previous Rare games. If they were constantly releasing cutting edge material, what's made them release average products now? I don't doubt they're profitable, but why have they been relegated to being a pet project of Microsoft's?

If you look at their previous games you can see quite a range of games and a varied portfolio of sucessful games (both critically and sales-wise). After joining Microsoft they haven't produced anything with the critical and commercial success experienced before. Microsoft's takeover of Rare should be held up to the rest of the industry as how not to do a corporate buy-out.

To be blunt, Rare is competing with high quality developers on the 360. Their games are easily over shadowed by high quality games being released all the time. The same games they've released on the 360 would get a lot more attention on the Wii because they appeal to a younger audience and the Wii has a very weak library aside from 1st party titles. Their games weren't good on the N64 either, there just wasn't much to choose from on the N64.

In a nutsehll, Rare has huge competition on the 360 and they would have little competition on the Wii.

Edit: You should also bear in mind that expectations were much lower in previous generations and are still pretty low on the Wii. Its not that their games have gotten worse, they just aren't up to par with high quality Xbox 360 and PS3 games of today.

I'm sorry but the games on the N64 were compared to all the greats of that gen on all consoles, (including the great games on the PS1) to the point where many want remakes or remakes are being made via PC mods. They were both critical and commercial successes. Critics review every game on every console and if they reviewed Rare games highly back then I'm inclined to believe they were among the best of that gen.

Even on the Wii the quality of all the first-party titles would so far outshadow the quality of the Rare games currently released I don't see how sales would be significantly higher. Most 3rd-party's complain about the competitions from Nintendo. Expectations might have been lower in previous gens, but that's only relative to what we have now. Most devs like Rare would be improving and should be learning to cope with the changing market especially with the resources Microsoft has at their disposal.

Competition is really a poor excuse as to why they've had such a fall from grace.

 

And I'm saying the type of games Rare made sucked on all consoles during that time. It was also easy for those games to shine on the N64 because there was very little to choose from on the N64.

The games they made back then weren't better than the games they make today. Expectations were very low at that time and Rare can't seem to compete with todays expectations.

The Wii has very few good games to choose from outside of 1st party. The type of games Rare makes would be successful on the Wii because that's their audience. They dominated past Nintendo consoles and they could do it again. They just don't create the type of games 360 owners want.

Rare hasn't made genuinely great games since Donkey Kong Country on the SNES and Killer Instinct. It seems releasing mediocre games has finally caught up with them in my opinion.



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--OkeyDokey-- on 28 March 2010

Good. No more classics need be destroyed by their suckiness.



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Bobo012893 on 28 March 2010
Mr Puggsly said:
Scoobes said:
Mr Puggsly said:
Scoobes said:

From what I've played I'm really not sure that's true. I don't think they would have much more success on Wii or DS than on 360. The games just don't seem to have the charm and quality of previous Rare games. If they were constantly releasing cutting edge material, what's made them release average products now? I don't doubt they're profitable, but why have they been relegated to being a pet project of Microsoft's?

If you look at their previous games you can see quite a range of games and a varied portfolio of sucessful games (both critically and sales-wise). After joining Microsoft they haven't produced anything with the critical and commercial success experienced before. Microsoft's takeover of Rare should be held up to the rest of the industry as how not to do a corporate buy-out.

To be blunt, Rare is competing with high quality developers on the 360. Their games are easily over shadowed by high quality games being released all the time. The same games they've released on the 360 would get a lot more attention on the Wii because they appeal to a younger audience and the Wii has a very weak library aside from 1st party titles. Their games weren't good on the N64 either, there just wasn't much to choose from on the N64.

In a nutsehll, Rare has huge competition on the 360 and they would have little competition on the Wii.

Edit: You should also bear in mind that expectations were much lower in previous generations and are still pretty low on the Wii. Its not that their games have gotten worse, they just aren't up to par with high quality Xbox 360 and PS3 games of today.

I'm sorry but the games on the N64 were compared to all the greats of that gen on all consoles, (including the great games on the PS1) to the point where many want remakes or remakes are being made via PC mods. They were both critical and commercial successes. Critics review every game on every console and if they reviewed Rare games highly back then I'm inclined to believe they were among the best of that gen.

Even on the Wii the quality of all the first-party titles would so far outshadow the quality of the Rare games currently released I don't see how sales would be significantly higher. Most 3rd-party's complain about the competitions from Nintendo. Expectations might have been lower in previous gens, but that's only relative to what we have now. Most devs like Rare would be improving and should be learning to cope with the changing market especially with the resources Microsoft has at their disposal.

Competition is really a poor excuse as to why they've had such a fall from grace.

 

And I'm saying the type of games Rare made sucked on all consoles during that time. It was also easy for those games to shine on the N64 because there was very little to choose from on the N64.

The games they made back then weren't better than the games they make today. Expectations were very low at that time and Rare can't seem to compete with todays expectations.

The Wii has very few good games to choose from outside of 1st party. The type of games Rare makes would be successful on the Wii because that's their audience. They dominated past Nintendo consoles and they could do it again. They just don't create the type of games 360 owners want.

Rare hasn't made genuinely great games since Donkey Kong Country on the SNES and Killer Instinct. It seems releasing mediocre games has finally caught up with them in my opinion.

Dude Im gonna get banned for this, but(t) fuck you. You are totally speaking out of your ass right now. Goldeneye, Perfect Dark, Banjo Kazzoie and Conquer weren't great? Do you have any idea what a good game is?



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Mr Puggsly on 28 March 2010
--OkeyDokey-- said:
Good. No more classics need be destroyed by their suckiness.

You act like they are Sega. Rare's classics were never great to begin with.



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Mr Puggsly on 28 March 2010
Bobo012893 said:
Mr Puggsly said:
Scoobes said:
Mr Puggsly said:
Scoobes said:

From what I've played I'm really not sure that's true. I don't think they would have much more success on Wii or DS than on 360. The games just don't seem to have the charm and quality of previous Rare games. If they were constantly releasing cutting edge material, what's made them release average products now? I don't doubt they're profitable, but why have they been relegated to being a pet project of Microsoft's?

If you look at their previous games you can see quite a range of games and a varied portfolio of sucessful games (both critically and sales-wise). After joining Microsoft they haven't produced anything with the critical and commercial success experienced before. Microsoft's takeover of Rare should be held up to the rest of the industry as how not to do a corporate buy-out.

To be blunt, Rare is competing with high quality developers on the 360. Their games are easily over shadowed by high quality games being released all the time. The same games they've released on the 360 would get a lot more attention on the Wii because they appeal to a younger audience and the Wii has a very weak library aside from 1st party titles. Their games weren't good on the N64 either, there just wasn't much to choose from on the N64.

In a nutsehll, Rare has huge competition on the 360 and they would have little competition on the Wii.

Edit: You should also bear in mind that expectations were much lower in previous generations and are still pretty low on the Wii. Its not that their games have gotten worse, they just aren't up to par with high quality Xbox 360 and PS3 games of today.

I'm sorry but the games on the N64 were compared to all the greats of that gen on all consoles, (including the great games on the PS1) to the point where many want remakes or remakes are being made via PC mods. They were both critical and commercial successes. Critics review every game on every console and if they reviewed Rare games highly back then I'm inclined to believe they were among the best of that gen.

Even on the Wii the quality of all the first-party titles would so far outshadow the quality of the Rare games currently released I don't see how sales would be significantly higher. Most 3rd-party's complain about the competitions from Nintendo. Expectations might have been lower in previous gens, but that's only relative to what we have now. Most devs like Rare would be improving and should be learning to cope with the changing market especially with the resources Microsoft has at their disposal.

Competition is really a poor excuse as to why they've had such a fall from grace.

 

And I'm saying the type of games Rare made sucked on all consoles during that time. It was also easy for those games to shine on the N64 because there was very little to choose from on the N64.

The games they made back then weren't better than the games they make today. Expectations were very low at that time and Rare can't seem to compete with todays expectations.

The Wii has very few good games to choose from outside of 1st party. The type of games Rare makes would be successful on the Wii because that's their audience. They dominated past Nintendo consoles and they could do it again. They just don't create the type of games 360 owners want.

Rare hasn't made genuinely great games since Donkey Kong Country on the SNES and Killer Instinct. It seems releasing mediocre games has finally caught up with them in my opinion.

Dude Im gonna get banned for this, but fuck you. You are totally speaking out of your ass right now. Goldeneye, Perfect Dark, Banjo Kazzoie and Conquer weren't great? Do you have any idea what a good game is?

Hah, yeah I know great games. Nothing you named was great thought.

I mostly played fighters, racers, and RPGs during that gen. It wasn't until I got a Dreamcast that I really enjoyed shooters and 3D platformers.

Edit: And for the record... Rayman 2 was better than any Rare game. Why doesn't anyone talk about that game?!?!?



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Bobo012893 on 28 March 2010
Mr Puggsly said:
Bobo012893 said:
Mr Puggsly said:
Scoobes said:
Mr Puggsly said:
Scoobes said:

From what I've played I'm really not sure that's true. I don't think they would have much more success on Wii or DS than on 360. The games just don't seem to have the charm and quality of previous Rare games. If they were constantly releasing cutting edge material, what's made them release average products now? I don't doubt they're profitable, but why have they been relegated to being a pet project of Microsoft's?

If you look at their previous games you can see quite a range of games and a varied portfolio of sucessful games (both critically and sales-wise). After joining Microsoft they haven't produced anything with the critical and commercial success experienced before. Microsoft's takeover of Rare should be held up to the rest of the industry as how not to do a corporate buy-out.

To be blunt, Rare is competing with high quality developers on the 360. Their games are easily over shadowed by high quality games being released all the time. The same games they've released on the 360 would get a lot more attention on the Wii because they appeal to a younger audience and the Wii has a very weak library aside from 1st party titles. Their games weren't good on the N64 either, there just wasn't much to choose from on the N64.

In a nutsehll, Rare has huge competition on the 360 and they would have little competition on the Wii.

Edit: You should also bear in mind that expectations were much lower in previous generations and are still pretty low on the Wii. Its not that their games have gotten worse, they just aren't up to par with high quality Xbox 360 and PS3 games of today.

I'm sorry but the games on the N64 were compared to all the greats of that gen on all consoles, (including the great games on the PS1) to the point where many want remakes or remakes are being made via PC mods. They were both critical and commercial successes. Critics review every game on every console and if they reviewed Rare games highly back then I'm inclined to believe they were among the best of that gen.

Even on the Wii the quality of all the first-party titles would so far outshadow the quality of the Rare games currently released I don't see how sales would be significantly higher. Most 3rd-party's complain about the competitions from Nintendo. Expectations might have been lower in previous gens, but that's only relative to what we have now. Most devs like Rare would be improving and should be learning to cope with the changing market especially with the resources Microsoft has at their disposal.

Competition is really a poor excuse as to why they've had such a fall from grace.

 

And I'm saying the type of games Rare made sucked on all consoles during that time. It was also easy for those games to shine on the N64 because there was very little to choose from on the N64.

The games they made back then weren't better than the games they make today. Expectations were very low at that time and Rare can't seem to compete with todays expectations.

The Wii has very few good games to choose from outside of 1st party. The type of games Rare makes would be successful on the Wii because that's their audience. They dominated past Nintendo consoles and they could do it again. They just don't create the type of games 360 owners want.

Rare hasn't made genuinely great games since Donkey Kong Country on the SNES and Killer Instinct. It seems releasing mediocre games has finally caught up with them in my opinion.

Dude Im gonna get banned for this, but fuck you. You are totally speaking out of your ass right now. Goldeneye, Perfect Dark, Banjo Kazzoie and Conquer weren't great? Do you have any idea what a good game is?

Hah, yeah I know great games. Nothing you named was great thought.

I mostly played fighters, racers, and RPGs during that gen. It wasn't until I got a Dreamcast that I really enjoyed shooters and 3D platformers.

umm...



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heruamon on 28 March 2010

So we get Banjo and Viva Pinata games instead?!?!?



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