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Move is a copy/inspired by Wii or Move ins't a copy/inspired by Wii poll

Yes 317 67.74%
 
No 151 32.26%
 
Total:468

Why on earth are so many people lying and saying no?



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Some people voted no? ha ha ha! (30%!!!) Ha ha ha!!!




mai said:
jneul said:
looks like I'm wasting my time

What did you expect? You have a history of defending anything Sony promotes. I perfectly remember last time you claimed that Sony invented cloud computinggaming with it's PS Cloud. People won't take you seriously.

 

The "Sony PS2 Motion Controller 5 years ago" video is merely a proof that Sony was interested in idea. Hardware companies do this kind of research on regular basis, patent a lot of things constantly (just in case) and in great majority of cases top-managers never give green light to the ideas. If we will be consistent we may as well claim that motion-sensing first came with Power Glove ~20 years ago, and Natal is a ripoff of Sega Activator ~15 years ago (they even do have common catch phrase: "You're the controller!") etc etc etc getting more and more ridiculous. And who knows how many potentially good stuff never saw the light of day?

All these things are irrelevant. The one thing that's relevant are business decisions, i.e. decisions made by top-managers, since all these stuff - Power Glove, Sega Activator, Wii Remote and PS Move - are meant to be competitive on free market thus we don't count intentions, ideas, blueprints, prototypes and even bad executions, but we do count good executions that are influantel, have an impact on the business, i.e. on competitors. Engineers may invent hardware but that's barely a 10% of success, in gaming industry 45% of success comes from software support and another 45% from marketing.

For those in denial, here's simple metaphor. Who discover the Americas? Obviously Columbus. Why not Leif Ericson or native Americans discover themselves (they definitely did it first)? Because Columbus discover Americas for the rest of the world. Simple as that. Every first in smth has dozens of predecessors: "Nolan Bushnell didn't start gaming business with Pong, Ralph Baer did with Odyssey", "Wolfenstein 3D and Doom weren't first first-person shooters, arcade Battlezone is the first", "PS Move isn't inspired by Wii Remote, it predates Wii Remote" - totally ridiculous statments, aren't they?

Dixi.

UPD: What infamous prof. Christensen has to say about this, few quotes on that matter:

Clayton M. Christensen in "Disruptive Technologies: Catching the Wave" (Harvard Business Review, 1995) said:

The research shows that most well-managed, established companies are consistently ahead of their industries in developing and commercializing new technologies - from incremental improvements to radically new apporaches - as long as those technologies address the next-generation performance needs of their customers. However, these same companies are rarely in the forefront of commercializing new technologies that don't initially meet the needs of mainstream customers and appeal only to small or emerging markets.

Clayton M. Christensen in "The Innovator's Battle Plan" (Harvard Business School, 2004) said:

Incumbents pass over what in retrospect turn out to be multibillion-dollar opportunities because attackers take advantage of asymmetries of motivation. When people say "flying beneath the radar," they really mean "taking advantage of asymmetries of motivation." Disruptive markets start among customers that appear to the incumbent to be either undesirable or nonexistent. The initial absolute size of a disruptive opportunity is generally too small to justify any substantial amount of investment or even management attention.

 

 

yeah I was wrong about the Ps cloud part, but at least I have the nerve to admit I was wrong, also this time I posted facts to back up my statements, it's so wonderful when everyone tries and spins the evidence, to me that is just plain ignorance, only counting sucessful innovation's is a really lame way of making sure you argument stay's valid.

Also last time I looked Eye Toy did have some success, so in my books, nintendo copied the whole mini game ideas from Sony, see how biased logic can be used.



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Roma said:
Xoj said:

as nintendo copied atari with the nes. so no i don't think so.


or nintendo the dualshock with the classical controller,

neither invent videogaming, unless u believe nintendo invent pong, just in case (it was also atari)

companies are expect to compete against each other, the moment one profits , there is no competition no further development happens i never seen a fierce sony before the ps3.

 

Nobody ever said Sony copied Nintendo with their machine lol but if you feel better than yes Nintendo did copy atari :P

 

You don’t get it the thing is Sony does whatever Nintendo brings to the gaming machines that’s what’s so annoying instead of coming up with their own stuff. Well they did the eye toy but it was not a huge success so they copy Nintendo instead. Again Nintendo had motion 19 years ago

 

The duel chock came after Nintendo released the rumble pack so Nintendo added it to gaming as they did with the analog stick and D-pad.. seriously I can’t understand why you guys ignore it. But if ignoring or lying to yourselves makes you feel better than I can understand that so keep on doing it. so they never cpied they just packed everyhing in a better controler thats what they do they improve things

please don't make me quote what you said to me to prove you are now contradicting yourself again and I quote "i don't want to see more videos the point is they did what Nintendid. put the pics side by side and you tell me if they copied or not if you say no then your the ignorant one ", stop being so afraid of the ps move, your just mad because it looks like the wiimote / end of argument.



it's the future of handheld

PS VITA = LIFE

The official Vita thread http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=130023&page=1

Why didn't we see all these "Sony did it first" facts when Nintendo announced the Wii? If Nintendo copied Sony I'm sure atleast the Sony fanboys would've made a protest.
Why wait 4-5 years?



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jneul said:
Roma said:
Xoj said:

as nintendo copied atari with the nes. so no i don't think so.


or nintendo the dualshock with the classical controller,

neither invent videogaming, unless u believe nintendo invent pong, just in case (it was also atari)

companies are expect to compete against each other, the moment one profits , there is no competition no further development happens i never seen a fierce sony before the ps3.

 

Nobody ever said Sony copied Nintendo with their machine lol but if you feel better than yes Nintendo did copy atari :P

 

You don’t get it the thing is Sony does whatever Nintendo brings to the gaming machines that’s what’s so annoying instead of coming up with their own stuff. Well they did the eye toy but it was not a huge success so they copy Nintendo instead. Again Nintendo had motion 19 years ago

 

The duel chock came after Nintendo released the rumble pack so Nintendo added it to gaming as they did with the analog stick and D-pad.. seriously I can’t understand why you guys ignore it. But if ignoring or lying to yourselves makes you feel better than I can understand that so keep on doing it. so they never cpied they just packed everyhing in a better controler thats what they do they improve things

please don't make me quote what you said to me to prove you are now contradicting yourself again and I quote "i don't want to see more videos the point is they did what Nintendid. put the pics side by side and you tell me if they copied or not if you say no then your the ignorant one ", stop being so afraid of the ps move, your just mad because it looks like the wiimote / end of argument.

hahaha your angry now ;) no lady i am not afraid of it i am just pissed that you guys don't see the truth. no pleas tell me how i am contredicting myeself :P

 

no matter how many times i say Power glove you will keep on ignoring it well you do that lady



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Roma said:
jneul said:
Roma said:
Xoj said:

as nintendo copied atari with the nes. so no i don't think so.


or nintendo the dualshock with the classical controller,

neither invent videogaming, unless u believe nintendo invent pong, just in case (it was also atari)

companies are expect to compete against each other, the moment one profits , there is no competition no further development happens i never seen a fierce sony before the ps3.

 

Nobody ever said Sony copied Nintendo with their machine lol but if you feel better than yes Nintendo did copy atari :P

 

You don’t get it the thing is Sony does whatever Nintendo brings to the gaming machines that’s what’s so annoying instead of coming up with their own stuff. Well they did the eye toy but it was not a huge success so they copy Nintendo instead. Again Nintendo had motion 19 years ago

 

The duel chock came after Nintendo released the rumble pack so Nintendo added it to gaming as they did with the analog stick and D-pad.. seriously I can’t understand why you guys ignore it. But if ignoring or lying to yourselves makes you feel better than I can understand that so keep on doing it. so they never cpied they just packed everyhing in a better controler thats what they do they improve things

please don't make me quote what you said to me to prove you are now contradicting yourself again and I quote "i don't want to see more videos the point is they did what Nintendid. put the pics side by side and you tell me if they copied or not if you say no then your the ignorant one ", stop being so afraid of the ps move, your just mad because it looks like the wiimote / end of argument.

hahaha your angry now ;) no lady i am not afraid of it i am just pissed that you guys don't see the truth. no pleas tell me how i am contredicting myeself :P

 

no matter how many times i say Power glove you will keep on ignoring it well you do that lady

lol angry, nope, just irritated, it does not mater who copied, what matters is how conviently everyone choses to bash ps move for it, but not other motion based products since the powerglove, now do you understand me??

Also watch out for spelling mistakes, lol, sometimes i make mistakes like that as well hehe



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PS VITA = LIFE

The official Vita thread http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=130023&page=1

jneul said:

Also last time I looked Eye Toy did have some success, so in my books, nintendo copied the whole mini game ideas from Sony, see how biased logic can be used.

Success in terms of profitability - that's a posibility, but not a success in terms of, as I stated above, "influential, have an impact on the business, i.e. on competitors"*. Nobody imitated EyeToy at the time, on the contrary Wiimote had huge influence on competitors, they're about to release their addons 4 years after.

* 10mln EyeToys on 140mln PS2s is like 5 mln Wiimotes on current Wii userbase, or to be fair 5 mln WM+ since Wimotes are bundled. In truth, WM+ sales are at least 20M LTD in less than a year versus 6 years of EyeToy sales (games for the device were released in period of 2003-2008). WM+ sales are likely to top 30M sold in it's first year, that's around 15M Wiis fully served with WM+ in one damn year. Ergo Nintendo Wiimote execution is far superior to Sony execution of EyeToy, and that's what matters - they did right business decisions while Sony either did it wrong or, I bet, they didn't gave a shit about promoting EyeToy heavily. Just like Chistensen said: "Incumbents pass over what in retrospect turn out to be multibillion-dollar opportunities because attackers take advantage of asymmetries of motivation". They had a goolden goose in their hands, but lost it.



mai said:
jneul said:

Also last time I looked Eye Toy did have some success, so in my books, nintendo copied the whole mini game ideas from Sony, see how biased logic can be used.

Success in terms of profitability - that's a posibility, but not a success in terms of, as I stated above, "influential, have an impact on the business, i.e. on competitors"*. Nobody imitated EyeToy at the time, on the contrary Wiimote had huge influence on competitors, they're about to release their addons 4 years after.

* 10mln EyeToys on 140mln PS2s is like 5 mln Wiimotes on current Wii userbase, or to be fair 5 mln WM+ since Wimotes are bundled. In truth, WM+ sales are at least 20M LTD in less than a year versus 6 years of EyeToy sales (games for the device were released in period of 2003-2008). WM+ sales are likely to top 30M sold in it's first year, that's around 15M Wiis fully served with WM+ in one damn year. Ergo Nintendo Wiimote execution is far superior to Sony execution of EyeToy, and that's what matters - they did right business decisions while Sony either did it wrong or, I bet, they didn't gave a shit about promoting EyeToy heavily. Just like Chistensen said: "Incumbents pass over what in retrospect turn out to be multibillion-dollar opportunities because attackers take advantage of asymmetries of motivation". They had a goolden goose in their hands, but lost it.

This is going to shock you, but I actually agree with that, it was a shame the eye toy did not get more sales, or even more support, I loved it, but all I got for it was 1 set of mini games, and on PS3 so far Eye of Judgement and Eyepet is all I own, I just hope with their latest edition they support it for longer, no matter what, because after seeing everything shown so far it has a lot of potential.

You must admit that making the wiimote the primary controller did make a lot of difference, and the reason why you have so many wm+ sales is people love games like wii sports resort, my kids love it, and I can state that much, but might I add theat they love Eyepet as well, so you never know ps move could well be another ps eye in terms of success, but we don't know yet, so can't we at least agree that everyone should just stop bashing it right now.

Finally last thing that will really make you think, is that I was quite impressed by the innovation of the vitality sensor, is there any other device that has been made like that, if you don't know I will look it up??



it's the future of handheld

PS VITA = LIFE

The official Vita thread http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=130023&page=1

in terms of copyright protection it isnt one.
for us gamers it looks and works the same, if u want to u could call it a copy.
for tech savvy people it isnt a copy, functions are different with a similiar design.

its just the normal way of business, you orient towards the market leader and add your own ideas. or bring up something totally new.

the research part, i couldnt care less. sony also did some research together with a company specialized in 3d cameras. guess what? thats the company MS bought and now is using for Natal.



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