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Move is a copy/inspired by Wii or Move ins't a copy/inspired by Wii poll

Yes 317 67.74%
 
No 151 32.26%
 
Total:468
jneul said:
looks like I'm wasting my time

What did you expect? You have a history of defending anything Sony promotes. I perfectly remember last time you claimed that Sony invented cloud computing\gaming with it's PS Cloud. People won't take you seriously.

 

The "Sony PS2 Motion Controller 5 years ago" video is merely a proof that Sony was interested in idea. Hardware companies do this kind of research on regular basis, patent a lot of things constantly (just in case) and in great majority of cases top-managers never give green light to the ideas. If we will be consistent we may as well claim that motion-sensing first came with Power Glove ~20 years ago, and Natal is a ripoff of Sega Activator ~15 years ago (they even do have common catch phrase: "You're the controller!") etc etc etc getting more and more ridiculous. And who knows how many potentially good stuff never saw the light of day?

All these things are irrelevant. The one thing that's relevant are business decisions, i.e. decisions made by top-managers, since all these stuff - Power Glove, Sega Activator, Wii Remote and PS Move - are meant to be competitive on free market thus we don't count intentions, ideas, blueprints, prototypes and even bad executions, but we do count good executions that are influantel, have an impact on the business, i.e. on competitors. Engineers may invent hardware but that's barely a 10% of success, in gaming industry 45% of success comes from software support and another 45% from marketing.

For those in denial, here's simple metaphor. Who discover the Americas? Obviously Columbus. Why not Leif Ericson or native Americans discover themselves (they definitely did it first)? Because Columbus discover Americas for the rest of the world. Simple as that. Every first in smth has dozens of predecessors: "Nolan Bushnell didn't start gaming business with Pong, Ralph Baer did with Odyssey", "Wolfenstein 3D and Doom weren't first first-person shooters, arcade Battlezone is the first", "PS Move isn't inspired by Wii Remote, it predates Wii Remote" - totally ridiculous statments, aren't they?

Dixi.

UPD: What infamous prof. Christensen has to say about this, few quotes on that matter:

Clayton M. Christensen in "Disruptive Technologies: Catching the Wave" (Harvard Business Review, 1995) said:

The research shows that most well-managed, established companies are consistently ahead of their industries in developing and commercializing new technologies - from incremental improvements to radically new apporaches - as long as those technologies address the next-generation performance needs of their customers. However, these same companies are rarely in the forefront of commercializing new technologies that don't initially meet the needs of mainstream customers and appeal only to small or emerging markets.

Clayton M. Christensen in "The Innovator's Battle Plan" (Harvard Business School, 2004) said:

Incumbents pass over what in retrospect turn out to be multibillion-dollar opportunities because attackers take advantage of asymmetries of motivation. When people say "flying beneath the radar," they really mean "taking advantage of asymmetries of motivation." Disruptive markets start among customers that appear to the incumbent to be either undesirable or nonexistent. The initial absolute size of a disruptive opportunity is generally too small to justify any substantial amount of investment or even management attention.

 

 



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jneul said:
Roma said:
jneul said:

I am getting fed up of these kind of post's, the answer is now NO after diggin up more information, the only thing  Sony is guilty of is tailoring the PS Move to look like the wiimote.

Now some of you may claim it to be a simple ripoff and copy of the wiimote, whilst I agree it looks very similar, the wand based motion control has been in development since 2004, and here is the proof right here.

Finally could Wii do this before ps move was shown to use all, I know it can't, so ps move can do new things that wiimote can't, end argument

and this video from the engadget show

 

That is clearly not development of the controller it is only eye toy lol

If your stating that Sony did motion first then you should look at what Nintendo did 19 years ago with the power glove

ignorance is bliss, what do you call that wand gadget shown in the video then /facepalm

also i was pointing out how sony did not copy, I did not say they invented motion controls lol, for that you need to watch this video, lol

I call that a ball put on a stick which the eye toy picks up… yeah I am ignorant thank god lol

i don't want to see more videos the point is they did what Nintendid. put the pics side by side and you tell me if they copied or not if you say no then your the ignorant one



    R.I.P Mr Iwata :'(

as nintendo copied atari with the nes. so no i don't think so.


or nintendo the dualshock with the classical controller,

neither invent videogaming, unless u believe nintendo invent pong, just in case (it was also atari)

companies are expect to compete against each other, the moment one profits , there is no competition no further development happens i never seen a fierce sony before the ps3.

 



Sony has been working on the wand for 8.5 years.. there were articles describing the Move (very mch like it is now.. so no massive overhauls) before the Wii was ANNOUNCED (as in Revolution AKA theyre motion controls)

It is definetly inspired by it.. no doubt.. but copied? if you think its a direct copy and never did the research you should have.. then you have a massive case of denial



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I think the whole site went mental with Wii fans being angry/jealous at what potentially could be a ALOT better product.. or perhaps.. theyre just scared..

If you Ignore video's of 5-7 years ago showing the PS Move (in a very old form) then you are ignorant as hell.. this is stupid and I will laugh the next time I see anyone saying this site is filled with Sony fanboys...



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Getting Plat trophies for: Heavy Rain, Infamous, RE5,  Burnout and GOW collection once I get it.

 

Clearly Sony worked on the ball on the stick + PS eye tech before the Wiimote so they clearly did not copy that, plus clearly they have motion sensor in the sixaxis but on the other hand clearly the "subcontroler" is copied so clearly this is not a clearly cut question. So clearly the answer is maybe.



Lightning_24 said:

You know I really don't see how else Sony could have made a motion controller any other way. I think if the wii had never done it the design of the move would have been the same, though I don't think Sony would have done it if the success of the Wii wasn't so good.

I don't know what you were saying. I just loved your foot.

 

Oh, and about the topic, admit it guys, be noble. The Move is a huge rip off, regardless Sony has been working in motion control development or not.

Don't get me wrong, I love Sony. But I love them for the right reasons.



Xoj said:

as nintendo copied atari with the nes. so no i don't think so.


or nintendo the dualshock with the classical controller,

neither invent videogaming, unless u believe nintendo invent pong, just in case (it was also atari)

companies are expect to compete against each other, the moment one profits , there is no competition no further development happens i never seen a fierce sony before the ps3.

 

Nobody ever said Sony copied Nintendo with their machine lol but if you feel better than yes Nintendo did copy atari :P

 

You don’t get it the thing is Sony does whatever Nintendo brings to the gaming machines that’s what’s so annoying instead of coming up with their own stuff. Well they did the eye toy but it was not a huge success so they copy Nintendo instead. Again Nintendo had motion 19 years ago

 

The duel chock came after Nintendo released the rumble pack so Nintendo added it to gaming as they did with the analog stick and D-pad.. seriously I can’t understand why you guys ignore it. But if ignoring or lying to yourselves makes you feel better than I can understand that so keep on doing it. so they never cpied they just packed everyhing in a better controler thats what they do they improve things



    R.I.P Mr Iwata :'(

Seihyouken said:
huaxiong90 said:
If you think about it from a technical perspective, then no, not to mention Sony claims it's been in the works for a while.

But from a business perspective, I doubt Sony would've released Move if it wasn't for the Wii's success.

That's my take on it.

Pretty much this.

Agree and I have to add this... Sony lies because they saw this 20 years ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1CTyYBJ1Pg

POWER GLOVE..... ITS SO BAD!



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