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Kasz216 on 21 March 2010
FaRmLaNd said:

Just chiming in that Obama cancelled his trip to Australia to pass this bill. Great show of support for supposed allies. Then in his speech about his newly planned trip to this part of the world he only mentioned Indonesia and had to issue an clarification that he was going to Australia aswell.

Plenty of Aussies are pretty pissed atm about it. Not that I personally care that much, but it seems that everything the Obama administration does this week has pissed people off.

To be fair, this was a pretty big issue.  At least it passed (or will by around 2 am tonight).  If it didn't then I'd be pissed as an Australian.

Just make sure he doesn't cheat your leaders on the gift baskets like he did the queen of england.



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dsister44 on 21 March 2010
mrstickball said:
@mirgro -

Here is my question:

Why didn't she have insurance when she moved to another state?

I don't know about other insurance companies, but mine is out of state and covers very few places in my home state.



FaRmLaNd on 21 March 2010
Kasz216 said:
FaRmLaNd said:

Just chiming in that Obama cancelled his trip to Australia to pass this bill. Great show of support for supposed allies. Then in his speech about his newly planned trip to this part of the world he only mentioned Indonesia and had to issue an clarification that he was going to Australia aswell.

Plenty of Aussies are pretty pissed atm about it. Not that I personally care that much, but it seems that everything the Obama administration does this week has pissed people off.

To be fair, this was a pretty big issue.  At least it passed (or will by around 2 am tonight).  If it didn't then I'd be pissed as an Australian.

Just make sure he doesn't cheat your leaders on the gift baskets like he did the queen of england.

Look I don't care. Its just silly that they didn't notice the overlap weeks ago and announce it then as opposed to the day before.



Kasz216 on 21 March 2010
dsister44 said:
mrstickball said:
@mirgro -

Here is my question:

Why didn't she have insurance when she moved to another state?

I don't know about other insurance companies, but mine is out of state and covers very few places in my home state.

Interesting.   I ended up with a great insurance policy, I moved well across state lines and have plenty of doctors nearby.  The only issue I have now is... with this legislation passing... chances are my rates are going to skyrocket and i'm going to have to DROP my insurance because I won't be able to afford it anymore... and then I run the risk of a fine...

It's all extremly bothersome.



Kasz216 on 21 March 2010
FaRmLaNd said:
Kasz216 said:
FaRmLaNd said:

Just chiming in that Obama cancelled his trip to Australia to pass this bill. Great show of support for supposed allies. Then in his speech about his newly planned trip to this part of the world he only mentioned Indonesia and had to issue an clarification that he was going to Australia aswell.

Plenty of Aussies are pretty pissed atm about it. Not that I personally care that much, but it seems that everything the Obama administration does this week has pissed people off.

To be fair, this was a pretty big issue.  At least it passed (or will by around 2 am tonight).  If it didn't then I'd be pissed as an Australian.

Just make sure he doesn't cheat your leaders on the gift baskets like he did the queen of england.

Look I don't care. Its just silly that they didn't notice the overlap weeks ago and announce it then as opposed to the day before.

Yeah, i can't really argue against that... espiecally since he found the time to fill out a Final 4 bracket.

Then again, two people in his Final 4 including his national champion were eliminated... so maybe he didn't spend too much time on that.

He's got another big bill coming through the pike too... or he may have already signed it... another Job creation bill that's going to be spending a lot of money.



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dsister44 on 21 March 2010
Kasz216 said:
dsister44 said:
mrstickball said:
@mirgro -

Here is my question:

Why didn't she have insurance when she moved to another state?

I don't know about other insurance companies, but mine is out of state and covers very few places in my home state.

Interesting.   I ended up with a great insurance policy, I moved well across state lines and have plenty of doctors nearby.  The only issue I have now is... with this legislation passing... chances are my rates are going to skyrocket and i'm going to have to DROP my insurance because I won't be able to afford it anymore... and then I run the risk of a fine...

It's all extremly bothersome.

Err... I just wanted to say that I'm against this passing. I was just answering why the person might not have had insurance 



TheRealMafoo on 21 March 2010
mirgro said:

I'm fine with being a communist, at least it's some semblance of government that ensures human progression.

Yes, because all communist countries have ensured human progression.

Your not even making sense anymore.



mirgro on 21 March 2010
HappySqurriel said:
mirgro said:

Well I had a friend, long sotry short, she worked for a long time, divorce, crisis, she didn't have health care while she moved to a new place and was looking for a job. She had a problem with her shoulder, where she couldn't really move it past certain angles without serious pain. She couldn't even get an X-Ray done to know what was up until she found insurance of some sort.  I am sorry, but a system where you can't even get an X-Ray done is an outright broken system. Even in the broken economies of Eastern Europe I can go get an X-Ray done for about 20 USD.  Definitely doesn't go along with the "pursuit of happiness" idea.

From my (limited) understanding knowing many Canadians who have paid out of pocket for medical care in the US, there is very little you can't pay cash for in the American healthcare system; and an X-Ray and medical consultation would probably cost less than $500. While that is certainly not cheap, lack of insurance was certainly not the reason she couldn't get it.

She was most definitely unable to spare those $500 in the situation she was in for a while. She is most definitely the type of person who just sits around and does nothing, she had a weird thing that she felt she needed to do work and be useful to society.

Anyhow the point was that under the current system, a person can be perfectly honest and and willing to work and the system will still fuck them over. That is a definition of a broken system.

@msrstickball

She moved from the west to the east coast. Apparently it doesn't apply or something. I also think that even if it did it may not have been transfered since she had her insurance from her work.



Kasz216 on 21 March 2010
HappySqurriel said:
mirgro said:
HappySqurriel said:
mirgro said:

The DoI clearly states Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. How is one person allowed to pursue happiness if they don't have the most basic medical needs met? Even better, how is government protecting your right to life under those same conditions?

If someone could stretch those words into "we can build roads connecting the entire country," then let me tell you, universal healthcare is a far smaller stretch of the words. In the end there are only 3 things a government needs to do, infrastructure, defense, and health. So I really do not see how you can say you want government to do only what it is said it is allowed to do, yet be against universal healthcare.

It depends on what you mean by "most basic medical needs met" ...

On one end of the spectrum you can have the government providing vaccination clinics to ensure that easy to control communicable diseases don’t impact quality of life; and on the other end of the spectrum you have government paying for superficial plastic surgery because people are depressed about being not really, really, ridiculously good looking.

I’m certain that there is a middle ground that many people who oppose government run healthcare can agree upon; for example, I think there is a level of coverage (regular check-ups, dealing with minor emergencies like broken limbs and stitches) which represent a small fraction of healthcare costs and the bureaucratic cost of insurance companies or the government to pay for them is (probably) greater than the cost of the care.

Well I had a friend, long sotry short, she worked for a long time, divorce, crisis, she didn't have health care while she moved to a new place and was looking for a job. She had a problem with her shoulder, where she couldn't really move it past certain angles without serious pain. She couldn't even get an X-Ray done to know what was up until she found insurance of some sort.  I am sorry, but a system where you can't even get an X-Ray done is an outright broken system. Even in the broken economies of Eastern Europe I can go get an X-Ray done for about 20 USD.  Definitely doesn't go along with the "pursuit of happiness" idea.

From my (limited) understanding knowing many Canadians who have paid out of pocket for medical care in the US, there is very little you can't pay cash for in the American healthcare system; and an X-Ray and medical consultation would probably cost less than $500. While that is certainly not cheap, lack of insurance was certainly not the reason she couldn't get it.

For a shoulder X-ray?  It's about 300 most places for an X-ray I think.

I had to get a chest/neck X-ray for about 500 because I was in a car accident and had to coirdinate it though the other guys insurance company.

The insurance company only paid 80 dollars.

I mean, when you see what insurance comapnies pay hospitals, vs the price the non insured are charged... it really makes you wonder why "basic" price is so high.



Kasz216 on 21 March 2010
mirgro said:
HappySqurriel said:
mirgro said:
 

Well I had a friend, long sotry short, she worked for a long time, divorce, crisis, she didn't have health care while she moved to a new place and was looking for a job. She had a problem with her shoulder, where she couldn't really move it past certain angles without serious pain. She couldn't even get an X-Ray done to know what was up until she found insurance of some sort.  I am sorry, but a system where you can't even get an X-Ray done is an outright broken system. Even in the broken economies of Eastern Europe I can go get an X-Ray done for about 20 USD.  Definitely doesn't go along with the "pursuit of happiness" idea.

From my (limited) understanding knowing many Canadians who have paid out of pocket for medical care in the US, there is very little you can't pay cash for in the American healthcare system; and an X-Ray and medical consultation would probably cost less than $500. While that is certainly not cheap, lack of insurance was certainly not the reason she couldn't get it.

She was most definitely unable to spare those $500 in the situation she was in for a while. She is most definitely the type of person who just sits around and does nothing, she had a weird thing that she felt she needed to do work and be useful to society.

Anyhow the point was that under the current system, a person can be perfectly honest and and willing to work and the system will still fuck them over. That is a definition of a broken system.

@msrstickball

She moved from the west to the east coast. Apparently it doesn't apply or something. I also think that even if it did it may not have been transfered since she had her insurance from her work.

Actually, if she left her job to go cross country she had the right to pay for her health insurance via Cobra until her new health insurance kicked in.

Or could of just gotten private health insurance for the short term.