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pearljammer said:
MaxwellGT2000 said:
d21lewis said:
Sony games have a unique feel. I can't describe it. There are only a few Sony franchises that I LOVE. Nintendo and surprisingly, Microsoft have franchises that are nearer to my heart for whatever reason. I don't know. I guess I'll say this: When Sony is good, they're very good. When they're mediocre, Sony fans still love them. And that's O.K.

This is pretty much exactly how it is.  I mean everyone has their great games, everyone has some meh stuff as well, but man oh man, if that meh game is made by Sony there's gonna be people that love it, any word that it could just be average can start a fight, and you're right it is perfectly fine, just it's crazy to me to see any fanbase defend a game from what it is. 

To be honest, this gen I really feel Sony has made far better titles than they did last gen, they're really starting to return to the Sony I enjoyed during the PS1 era, but it took necessity for it to happen.  But in the end while they've tried to compete on just about every genre, with every developer/publisher, but still they haven't REALLY matched the quality of a Halo 3/CoD4 for FPS, or the Mario platformers for 2D/3D platformers. 

It's much like Sony is the jack of all trades and makes the great games that keep you busy/buying games, but they really lack that genre they just dominate at, and it's the best game of its genre.  Don't take me the wrong way here, since some of my top games this gen are Sony made, but they have never really shown to be a dominating force in any one genre, like many people don't even want to compete with Nintendo with platformers and that says volumes, though I would argue Sony has a good hold on the monkey catching sims (I'm really wanting news on Ape Escape 4)

Just my 2 cents.

Though I wouldn't say that they dominate, as Nintendo's been known to release some notable (bit of an understatement) games, but one could claim that they go toe-to-toe with anyone in the adventure genre. Ico and SotC are both at the pinnacle of their respective genre.

I'm not huge on sim racers, but I believe GT has dominated that genre for quite some time. I could be wrong here, as I simply do not pay that much attention.

They dominate the Karaoke genre as well, if it is to be seperated from the music genre as a whole, that is.

That's all I really could think of.

OT: Both Firem Emblem and Mario are among my most consistently favourite games. However, Sony has released quite a few of my favourite games in the past 9-10 years. It's difficult to choose really. And as it has been said several times already: this isn't Microsoft's strong suit, but that's fine so long as they keep finding ways to providing qulaity experiences on their console/OS.

Very good point about GT, honestly I have my PS1 copy, not really played the series since but when you think of a Sony game dominating a genre that would be it.  I'm not sure about singing games especially when you think that's apart of Rock Band and Guitar Hero now, even then it's hard for me to give them the clear win.

Adventure is a strong point for them its true, but at least for me, they have yet to perfect it (though I've been playing SotC which is pretty awesome), but you look at things like Uncharted 1&2 and while they're really good story, graphics, and gameplay it lacked the real adventure feel to me like the original Tomb Raiders had, basically because Uncharted is fairly linear and the things you have to find are almost given to you, adventure is supposed to be venturing into the unknown and finding cool things along the way, like a secret passage that gives you a badass item.

My idea of domination though is not only scores, but a mixture of sales, scores, fans, popularity, etc.  and if you want to talk the adventure genre, no one can deny that Zelda just rules that, its got the sales, its always getting big marks, and when you ask the average joe to tell you the one adventure game he knows/wants/likes/played it'll likely be Zelda, ask a more avid gamer and you get more diverse responses like your uncharted, MGS,  or SotC.



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Kage848 said:

I would like to speak on the bolded part.

I have to say i have come to a realization recently that makes me very happy inside. The current Sony fan base are truely hardcore. Not because they play M rated games or own a lot of game but because they are true Sony fans and are very pationate. I respect that a lot. The casuals and some of the hardcore PS2 fanbase jumped ship to the Wii and 360. Now most of whats left of PS3 owners, at least up to this point, is the real Sony fans. The kind of fan that really digs the PS3 games and the Sony game's. This is the flipside of me. I'm the same way with my Wii and Nintendo. I'm very pationate about Nintendo and the Wii. The thing i really love about this site is people like me and the Sony fans on this site, or at least most of them, can get along because eventhough we are pationate we can repect the other console's games, even if we don't like the. Some Sony fans don't like SMG but they have to respect it, the same way i HATE UC2 and Heavy Rain, but i can respect them.

A little off topic here but there it is. Sony fans i salute you. Now I'm going to go back to the best PS3 and the best Baseball game ever made, MLB 10 The Show.

PS: @MaxwellGT200: Sony does domiate in one genre. The baseball game because The Show is teh bet game evar!!!!11!!1!!!!!

GO METS!

You have a point there with the baseball games at least score wise, but like I said in the response to pearljammer, I think of dominating in terms of many things, and its hard to say they dominate baseball games, it seems like no one does, though who dominates the sports genre is clear and thats madden.



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r505Matt said:
Squilliam said:

For rentals:

Sony > Microsoft > Nintendo.

For games I will keep:

Microsoft = Nintendo > Sony

I just find the types of games Sony releases are interesting to play once and experience but I find the idea of playing them more than once not to my taste.

Microsoft tends to produce games which have local coop, more solid gameplay even if less spectacular so I find they can be replayed more easily and Nintendo are the same. The value I find in the Nintendo/Microsoft games exceed that of Sony games even though I play my PS3 more than my Xbox 360 I still own more Xbox 360 titles.

I am a PC gamer first and foremost and I shouldn't forget that whilst I play many games on consoles like a buffet I tend to buy to own on the PC. My HD 5870 means I can be extremely critical of the graphics of a title and often I come into the Sony titles with a critical mindset due to the graphical hype they often recieve so I then tear them apart mentally and any good work they may have done passes over my head.

This

After playing most Sony games once, I have no need/desire to play it again. They don't offer the same replayability as Nintendo games or even MS games, and none of them even compare to the PC games I have.

The way I see it sometimes, Nintendo is for the social gamer, the gamer who likes to have friends over and play games. Xbox is similar, but it's also for the online gamer, who likes to go online and listen to 12 year olds cry about how much they suck/rock. PS3 is for the single-player gamer, the one who enjoys that movie-like experience in the game, and can have a lot of fun playing alone.

I, for one, don't care for the single-player experience much these days, I don't have time for it really. There are still games I HAVE to play (Uncharted, Mass Effect, etc.), but I always prefer the MP experience. Even then, I can replay Mass Effect over and over, but I fell asleep trying to replay Uncharted 1 (and I like 1 MUCH more than 2, but I've talked about that before). There's just a "feel" to Sony's games, that I can't really describe, that doesn't lend themselves to be replayed, and also usually makes me feel disinterested. This obviously isn't the case for everyone, but they don't have as much value to me. Great rentals, but I'm glad I've only bought a few PS3 games.

Obviously, I'm talking console exclusives, not 1st party. It seems unfair to talk 1st party since it's aim seems to be to keep MS out of the loop. But in terms of 1st party, easily Nintendo. SSBB, NSMBW, just those two games alone are more fun than any other PS3/Xbox 360 game I've played, and this is coming from an RPG-lover. Guess it's part of me turning more into a social gamer and not playing single-player games as much.

I would say that personally Sony have a high flash:substance ratio. Their games are really impressive, once. So for a hardcore gamer whos buying and keeping over 5-10 games per year then I can understand the love Sony gets, but I guess more picky people who have to share their time with multiple platforms / have different values -> I hate cinematic style games as a genre, I enjoy playing them once but never more than that because I have a tendency to pick them apart mentally as I play and it ruins my suspension of disbelief. Uncharted 2 for example lost me at the first scene because he wasn't wearing gloves and he had a hole in his stomach.

I'll play something like Mass Effect more than once because I love the control I have or even the perception of control. I love playing games like S.T.A.L.K.E.R. and Crysis as well as games like Jagged Alliance 2, Civilization IV and I'll keep coming back to them even though I've spent hundreds of hours playing each title. For me with your average Sony title once I know how the story ends a significant proportion of the value of the game is lost which is why I said they make better rentals so I can play them once/twice then send them packing.



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lvader said:
GodOfWar_3ever said:


Sorry about not mentioning FE and Zelda..but the variety is still lacking...

Heavy Rain and Resistence are first party you know....

 

Heavy rain, possibly the worst game I've played in a long time...

He was talking about variety in genres. Quit being so condescending, your opinion does not write off a fact.



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Rainbird said:
leatherhat said:
Rainbird said:
leatherhat said:
Rainbird said:
GodOfWar_3ever said:

Heavy Rain and Resistence are first party you know....

No they're not, just like Ratchet & Clank and inFamous isn't 1st party either.

If those games arent first party then neither is Metroid Other M

I don't know the situation with Other M (with Team Ninja and all), but Insomniac, Sucker Punch and Quantic Dream are all second party developers for Sony.

It works like this, Insomniac, sucker punch, and QD made the games but Sony owns the IPs. Metroid is a nintendo owned property, but is being developed by a nonnintendo company, tecmo. So they are all first party owned games developed by studios that aren't owned by the respective first party. 

With Other M, I think the difference is that Nintendo are letting a 3rd party work on something that Nintendo themselves created, which makes it trickier to categorize. 

With Sony, all those properties were created by 2nd party developers, which makes them 2nd party games.

And the fact that it's with Team Ninja and not by Team Ninja, since Nintendo is co-developing it.  It effectively is first party in my books, since with anything like that you're gonna have Nintendo watching your every move and having their input even if they weren't co-developing it, hell they told Retro to make Metroid Prime, Miyamoto came in and told them to scrap the whole third person idea lol, if they thought Team Ninja wasn't on their path the same thing would happen.



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MaxwellGT2000 said:
Rainbird said:
leatherhat said:
Rainbird said:
leatherhat said:
Rainbird said:
GodOfWar_3ever said:

Heavy Rain and Resistence are first party you know....

No they're not, just like Ratchet & Clank and inFamous isn't 1st party either.

If those games arent first party then neither is Metroid Other M

I don't know the situation with Other M (with Team Ninja and all), but Insomniac, Sucker Punch and Quantic Dream are all second party developers for Sony.

It works like this, Insomniac, sucker punch, and QD made the games but Sony owns the IPs. Metroid is a nintendo owned property, but is being developed by a nonnintendo company, tecmo. So they are all first party owned games developed by studios that aren't owned by the respective first party. 

With Other M, I think the difference is that Nintendo are letting a 3rd party work on something that Nintendo themselves created, which makes it trickier to categorize. 

With Sony, all those properties were created by 2nd party developers, which makes them 2nd party games.

And the fact that it's with Team Ninja and not by Team Ninja, since Nintendo is co-developing it.  It effectively is first party in my books, since with anything like that you're gonna have Nintendo watching your every move and having their input even if they weren't co-developing it, hell they told Retro to make Metroid Prime, Miyamoto came in and told them to scrap the whole third person idea lol, if they thought Team Ninja wasn't on their path the same thing would happen.

There are very few Nintendo published games that are freely published like that. The Last Story is one such game, but most of the ones even developed by companies they don't own they generally have a lot of direct input in. It's not like Lair, or White Knight Chronicles, or the original Mass Effect. In those cases the developer has control, generally. But for something like Mario Strikers or Battallion Wars or even ExciteBots, those belong to Nintendo first and foremost.



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GodOfWar_3ever said:
tehsage said:
GodOfWar_3ever said:

Sony >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MS + Nintendo in terms of Variety in exclusives
NOTE : Variety =/= Quality

Imo, this is not even a contest.

Sony >>> MS > Nintendo

Uncharted + Killzone + inFamous + Rathcet and Clank + Gran Turismo + Wipeout + God of War + Team ICO games + Resistence + Heavy Rain + LBP + Many more new IPs and old IPs to return = Sony

Gears, Halo, Forza, PGR, Fable, Crackdown, Rare = MS
MS really needs to improve their first party and stop relying on 3rd party exclusives

Nintendo (this is where it gets meh to me...butt not to millions of others) = 2D Mario, Mario Kart, Super Mario Galazy, Wii Fit, Wii Sports, Metroid...

The only thing that interests me is Metroid...Honestly ask yourself whether Nintendo isn't lagging behind Sony in terms of AAA high quality games...Sony has way more variety. Nintendo games are family oriented and way too kiddy imo...except Metroid..Nintendo Fisrt party games don't appeal to me at all...

lol wait. since when were we discussing exclusives? we're comparing sony as a developer to nintendo and microsoft as a developer. Who the fuck cares what other companies make?

Where have I mentioned a game not published by Sony ?

Dude. Publisher!=Developer.



Nintendo is Nintendo. They sold millions of consoles based purely on their first party games. Their quality is legendary. Trying to argue against that is pointless.

Im not interested in Halo 3, Gears, or Fable, but i have concidered getting a 360/PC for the Mass Effect games.

God of War 3 is the only next gen game that has made my jaw drop.




MaxwellGT2000 said:

Very good point about GT, honestly I have my PS1 copy, not really played the series since but when you think of a Sony game dominating a genre that would be it.  I'm not sure about singing games especially when you think that's apart of Rock Band and Guitar Hero now, even then it's hard for me to give them the clear win.

Adventure is a strong point for them its true, but at least for me, they have yet to perfect it (though I've been playing SotC which is pretty awesome), but you look at things like Uncharted 1&2 and while they're really good story, graphics, and gameplay it lacked the real adventure feel to me like the original Tomb Raiders had, basically because Uncharted is fairly linear and the things you have to find are almost given to you, adventure is supposed to be venturing into the unknown and finding cool things along the way, like a secret passage that gives you a badass item.

My idea of domination though is not only scores, but a mixture of sales, scores, fans, popularity, etc.  and if you want to talk the adventure genre, no one can deny that Zelda just rules that, its got the sales, its always getting big marks, and when you ask the average joe to tell you the one adventure game he knows/wants/likes/played it'll likely be Zelda, ask a more avid gamer and you get more diverse responses like your uncharted, MGS,  or SotC.

I would hope most of us are going under presumption of such. We'd all place our own values differently and would likely base our answer accordingly. For me, it'd be my own personal experience as well as peer respect among the development community as the leading indications... I suppose what I'm trying to say is that I thought of this as solely being a measure of percieved mastery in respected genres as opposed to an accumulation of criteria.

That is to say, I think of it unlike how Football dominates the ratings on Superbowl Sunday and more akin to how Earthbound (just an example, I know you're a big fan) dominates the RPG scene.

Under those criteria, I think SotC could easily stand toe-to-toe with any adventure game.

About Singstar: I agree. I may have been a bit too far reaching (or rooting!) for that one. It's one hell of an additcting game.

With Uncharted, I've always thought of them as more action-oriented than adventure. They certainly don't make for great adventure games.



Mr Khan said:
Scoobes said:
Mr Khan said:
MontanaHatchet said:
Mr Khan said:

Sony's been way too focused on making everything so mature lately. Naughty Dog made excellent games for everyone, and now they're making another M-rated explode-o-fest. Granted, a damn fine one, but one in a sea of many. Same with Sucker Punch. Sly Cooper was Nintendo-like in its charm and focus, but in no way lacking in the gameplay department, and instead they throw it away for a mature sandbox game.

 

Sony Japan's original creations this generation have been most excellent, but their other divisions seem way too focused on making flashy mature games.

I read this entire post, and I only have to ask: Why is this a bad thing?

It shouldn't really matter too much if the game is rated Mature so long as it's a great game. And Sony still releases games for everyone (in genres like platformers), so I don't see the big deal.

I don't like mature games that much. Especially when they are developed in lieu of games with a more fantastical style.

 

Granted, i hated the direction they took Jak and Daxter after doing that excellent original game, more angst and less style. They "Shadow the Hedgehog-ized" Jak before Sonic Team even bothered to do what they did.

 

HappySquirrel's point coincides with my own. A lot of Sony's games this time around are excellent for their genre, but operate very much inside the box.

I don't think that's entirely accurate. They've had plenty of games that are inside the box admitedly (inFamous, GT, God of War III, Uncharted, Resistance) but they have released some rather original little gems.

Little Big Planet has pushed 4 player co-op and content creation on consoles, Heavy Rain has pushed story-driven thriller style gameplay, Flower is really difficult to describe until you've played it, but is just a joy to play and then you have them pushing even the standard games beyond what has been done technically before with 256 players on MAG.

Everything mentioned are all experiences that Sony have introduced this gen and you would be hard-pressed to find an equivalent experience on 360 or Wii.

Exactly. The ones you mentioned are the Sony franchises that don't interest me at all. I liked the idea of LBP (though from reports of how the actual platforming mechanics are, i might have balked a little at its execution. I wouldn't know since i've never actually touched a PS3 before), and i love a lot of what they're doing on PSP (LocoRoco and Patapon). Mostly its their Japanese franchises i like anymore.

Lol, yes you probably would. It wasn't terrible but it wasn't great either.