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MaxwellGT2000 on 18 March 2010
darthdevidem01 said:
MaxwellGT2000 said:
Zucas said:
Well what probably helped Bad Company 2 is coming off of Modern Warfare 2. Although, the developers are trying to distance themselves from the title, more than likely there are a lot of gamers looking to move on to the next thing and Bad Company 2 offered that... more so than MAG could have. That probably helped turned BC2 into a much bigger game than usual.

Obviously Final Fantasy is a big western title, but it's not the same big title that we see in Japan. In Japan it is top 5 biggest franchises, but in the West it doesn't even make the top 10 over the last 10 years. I think people get confused because FF is a huge core franchise, but not anything that sells vastly to the mainstream... something BC2 does do for being a mainstream genre.

Well you can't really get millions of sales and not hit the mainstream, honestly girls I know that most would group with mainstream play DDR/PiU, Guitar Hero, Pokemon, Kingdom Hearts, and Final Fantasy.  If you want an RPG that really doesn't hit that mainstream crowd in the West that would be DQ.

And for people complaining about how you can't compare the two... well Final Fantasy simply is the biggest JRPG franchise in the West that isn't pokemon (which is really hard to classify as a JRPG or WRPG since it lacks a lot of the distinct characteristics of both) so with HD games generally having bigger front loaded sales and breaking records for older franchises (even if the game is worse than its last gen predecessor, like RE5) people were expecting a lot from FFXIII.  Though I really wasn't one of those guys, I'm just throwing it out there, some people had big expectations.

Honestly for me things are shaping up how I thought they would, XIII isn't setting the world on fire, the series fanbase is kinda dying it seems, however it is a rather slow dying off. 

I'll get back to you when it outsells FF12 worldwide.

Anyway on the bolded:

Square-Enix claimed its the fastest selling title in the series in the west.

http://www.neoseeker.com/news/13360-final-fantasy-xiii-fastest-selling-title-yet-in-series/

The low point in sales post FF7 was FF9....not even FF12.

And it will most definetely outsell FF9 worldwide.

Uh... that's still not breaking the trend... FF9 released to less hype and ads, after the PS2 had already released as well, with hype going towards FFX on PS2, which released just little over a year later in the states (which FFXII squeeked in there before the PS3 launched, still they promoted it much better with things like a demo disc in DQ8).  The trend is the first FF of the gen outsells the previous entry, but doesn't outsell the first Final Fantasy of the previous gen, FFVII sold better than FFX and I think its likely FFX will sell better than FFXIII, but then the next games in the generation will sell lower than XIII.

 



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Sekishu on 18 March 2010

Like everyone else has mentioned, a FPS always sells more than a JRPG. Anyway, big companies always tend to boast things that are untrue, nothing new.



burning_phoneix on 19 March 2010
Sekishu said:
Like everyone else has mentioned, a FPS always sells more than a JRPG. Anyway, big companies always tend to boast things that are untrue, nothing new.

Except unless you're talking about Halo or Call of Duty, we can't make that assumption. No other Battlefield game has ever outsold a Final Fantasy game and that's what the OP was talking about.

 

 

 



Bladeforce on 19 March 2010

Well considering it has been out for what now in Japn? 13 weeks? and it has sold just 3 million in all territories i'd say FF has seen its sell by date passed. Its far too dated now in fact take a leaf out of Nintendos book Square and make a real FF again! 2D!!



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Hyruken on 19 March 2010
burning_phoneix said:
Hyruken said:
All it means is Final Fantasy is not a HUGE game outside of Japan. Just like Battlefield 2 is not a HUGE game in Japan.

Err...No? How can a title that sells more or less 3 million copies outside of Japan consistently not be considered huge?


Which game has sold 3m outside of Japan?

We are talking about this gens games but more importantly FFXIII and BC2. Right now outside of Japan FFXIII as not sold a million copies on either of the formats. It will find it tough to get to 3m copies with the 400k opening it got. If we combine the numbers across the platforms then the same rule must apply to other games too, which would mean BC2 sold a lot more then FFXIII outside of Japan.



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Sekishu on 19 March 2010
burning_phoneix said:
Sekishu said:
Like everyone else has mentioned, a FPS always sells more than a JRPG. Anyway, big companies always tend to boast things that are untrue, nothing new.

Except unless you're talking about Halo or Call of Duty, we can't make that assumption. No other Battlefield game has ever outsold a Final Fantasy game and that's what the OP was talking about.

 

 

 

Well, what I actually meant was in this generation shooters tend to sell more than JRPG. Just look at the top 50 selling games of Xbox360 and PS3 and tell me how many JRPGs are there? On the other hand, more than a dozen of those games have something to do with shooting with a gun.



LordTheNightKnight on 19 March 2010

"Which game has sold 3m outside of Japan?"

VII, while others came close. But that still doesn't mean the series isn't big in the West, when it was the f***ing breakthrough game for JRPGs in the west.



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LordTheNightKnight on 19 March 2010

"Just look at the top 50 selling games of Xbox360 and PS3 and tell me how many JRPGs are there?"

There aren't that many JRPGs on those systems, period. That would account for this, though, given that there was little effort to make an audience for these games, while the FF games in the last two gens were doing their best to make RPG markets on the PS1 and PS2.

One could almost say the Final Fantasy III remake on the DS has so far the biggest impact of any other JRPG this gen, given the DS got a lot of RPG support afterwards.



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Mummelmann on 19 March 2010
forest-spirit said:
I honestly don't understand the point in comparing these games. They have completely different target audiences.

The point is to disarm any and all games that may have a positive impact on HD consoles, simple as that. It is a strange comparison but I do think that FFXIII's sales momentum is heavily exaggerated by SE, it won't get close to be being the best selling FF title of all time despite being on two platforms. After all; selling fast does not equal high lifetime if you don't have legs.



LordTheNightKnight on 19 March 2010

"The point is to disarm any and all games that may have a positive impact on HD consoles, simple as that."

You're confusing possible impact with the point of this thread.



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Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs