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Have Microsoft solidified themselves as a gaming giant equal to Sony?

Damn right J man 144 25.81%
 
They are getting there 170 30.47%
 
They arent even close 117 20.97%
 
Hell to the No 92 16.49%
 
Silver>Gold 35 6.27%
 
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This whole thread is filled with so much fail that I can't decide what to quote and attack =)

Whether Sony or MS has better exclusives/1st-party is subjective, so stop arguing over it. And if you think 3rd-party exclusives don't help increase brand power and recognition, well, that's just silly.

Which games have the more recognizable characters could be objective but there are no studies out to cite information from. I can say that I think Kratos is more recognizable than Nathan Drake to casual and non-gamers, but there is no way to back that up. There are some very obvious "mascots" though like Master Chief and Mario.

Having a recognizable mascot gives you a lot of brand power, people see said mascot and say "oh I know who that is, I heard about them game before". That is a part of brand power.



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jarrod said:
huaxiong90 said:
jarrod said:
huaxiong90 said:
jarrod said:
Hus said:
jarrod said:
Hus said:
DirtyP2002 said:

 

The only segment where MS is not as big as Sony are handhelds, because they are not in that business.

 

So in 1st party development they are equall ? and they both own equal amount of game franchises ? or they publish equal amount of games.

LMFAO

They have fewer internal studios and put out less games, but their 1st party games seemingly sell better at the same time.   It's just a different publishing philosophy (fewer games than sell better), one that Microsoft was pretty vocal about shifting to this gen.

As far as game franchises that MS owns though, they really do have a huge amount of popular legacy brands from Rare and various other studios that are going unused (Crimson Skies, Battletoads, Flight Simulator, Snake Rattle N' Roll, Age of Empires, Blast Corps, MechWarrior/Assault, Shadowrun, Killer instinct, Sabrewulf, Knight Lore, Rise of Nations, Starlancer, Conker, Black & White, R.C. Pro Am, Midtown Madness, PGR, Wizards & Warriors, Jet Force Gemini, etc, etc).  In that regard they may actually be comparable to Sony (who also has a lot of dormant brands).

Well what are these better selling games, and how mush better do they sale.  Just what are they, and come on like Sony does not have load of unused games franchises.

 

Well, Halo.  Nothing Sony's published in the past half decade even comes close.  Microsoft is pretty strong with secondary brands too, like Fable, Forza and (although not owned by them) Gears of War.  Sony release a LOT more content, but sales wise Microsoft's still even with them overall really.

And yeah, Sony has a TON of dormant brands.  Parappa / Lammy, Jumping Flash, WildARMs, Arc the Lad, Xai, Intelligent Qube, Jak, Alundra, Lemmings, Destruction Derby, Mark of the Kri, Dark Cloud, Popolocrois, Sly Cooper, Dropship, Omega Boost, Rally Cross, MediEvil, Motor Toon GP, SkyBlazer, Draken, Colony Wars, Shadow of the Beast, Discworld, etc, etc.  Lots of missed opportunities for both Sony and MS really imo. :/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gran_Turismo_4

Released in 2005.

 

If Microsoft sales were even with Sony overall, then they should always be in the weekly charts in the top 10 game publishers. And they're not.

 

I agree, though, Sony and Microsoft could really make good use of their old franchises.

lol, check your own link...

JP December 28, 2004
NA February 22, 2005
EU March 9, 2005

 

...all 3 of those dates would be over a "past half decade" (ie: 5 years). <3

Also, weekly charts aren't the whole picture.  No PC, no downloadables.

March 2005. Do the math.

Today's March 16.  Take your own advice. ;)

Are a few days really that significant? Lol.



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M.U.G.E.N said:
WilliamWatts said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
WilliamWatts said:

Operating systems are platforms which unify distinct hardware under the one umbrella. What the user does with the system is up to the user. For example it seems that more people buy the PSP for media playback than gaming based off attach rates. Does that mean that the PSP doesn't count as a platform for gaming? In addition to this, as future consoles do far more than gaming as well then how do you categorise them?

The iTouch, Phone and soon Pad are the same ecosystem even though they are three distinct pieces of hardware. People have no trouble describing them as a unified platform and they have no problem with the idea that part of their appeal is the mobile games and apps you can get on all three. Windows mobile 7 is also fairly unified in terms of the hardware basis for the phones even if the manufacturers are distinctly different.

In the home operating system space, Microsoft seems to have spent considerable time and money developing their gaming related tools and APIs. Infact both the Xbox 360 and PS3 bear Microsofts influence in the design of their respective GPUs. Its no happy accident that a wide range of gaming does happen on the Microsoft system and people are aware that if they wish to play games they have to go Windows. How does this not add to their overall gaming 'presence'?

 

Now see, AGAIN, that is more like an, Opinion :) I for one don't give a rats ass about the media capabilities in my Psp, I got it for games and I keep it for the games. Please feel free to give some solid proof and I will change my overall opinion on that matter, no problem

And now your just trying to get some random numbers in there which is derailing the topic imo. You really wanna get into all the electronics (EG: SE Phones) in the market now? I mean really?

Look at the attach rates, 2.5 vs 4. The PSP has been out the same time and has a smaller hardware base. You would expect the attach rate to be higher than the PSP but software sales do not match this. In addition to this, the software attach rate ought to be rising as the hardware sales fall YOY but it doesn't seem to be the case.

So you just jumped to the conclusion that people buy the psp for non gaming purposes? :S Did you even consider the possibility that it might be because there are not as many games on the psp that people would like to play? If you check the software charts you can see when there is a good title released for the psp, the sales sky rocket for it. Your argument is flawed. So unless you have substantial proof otherwise, I am not convinced at all

This is ridiculous, some people buy the PS3 just for Blu-ray, and there are definitely people who buy PSP just for media playback. You can't just ignore that to suit your arguement.



M.U.G.E.N said:
WilliamWatts said:

Look at the attach rates, 2.5 vs 4. The PSP has been out the same time and has a smaller hardware base. You would expect the attach rate to be higher than the PSP but software sales do not match this. In addition to this, the software attach rate ought to be rising as the hardware sales fall YOY but it doesn't seem to be the case.

So you just jumped to the conclusion that people buy the psp for non gaming purposes? :S Did you even consider the possibility that it might be because there are not as many games on the psp that people would like to play? If you check the software charts you can see when there is a good title released for the psp, the sales sky rocket for it. Your argument is flawed. So unless you have substantial proof otherwise, I am not convinced at all

The simplest explanation is usually the most correct. Since the PSP is also a portable media player and a pretty good one, its competing more in the iTouch market than the gaming market since games don't sell on that platform. The proof is the attach rate. Most third party publishers have abandoned the system because of it.



huaxiong90 said:

Are a few days really that significant? Lol.

Well, no, not really.  Just having some fun. <3

 

I do think it's bit of reach always have to stretch into past gens for "franchise strength" though.  Today's really an entirely different ballgame, and honestly that's been shown already in the few generational franchise transitions for Sony (albeit Hot Shots Golf, Rachet & Clank and Boku no Natsu Yasumi being the only major ones so far, we'll be able to add God of War, SOCOM and Gran Turismo when the year's over). 



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r505Matt said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
WilliamWatts said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
WilliamWatts said:

Operating systems are platforms which unify distinct hardware under the one umbrella. What the user does with the system is up to the user. For example it seems that more people buy the PSP for media playback than gaming based off attach rates. Does that mean that the PSP doesn't count as a platform for gaming? In addition to this, as future consoles do far more than gaming as well then how do you categorise them?

The iTouch, Phone and soon Pad are the same ecosystem even though they are three distinct pieces of hardware. People have no trouble describing them as a unified platform and they have no problem with the idea that part of their appeal is the mobile games and apps you can get on all three. Windows mobile 7 is also fairly unified in terms of the hardware basis for the phones even if the manufacturers are distinctly different.

In the home operating system space, Microsoft seems to have spent considerable time and money developing their gaming related tools and APIs. Infact both the Xbox 360 and PS3 bear Microsofts influence in the design of their respective GPUs. Its no happy accident that a wide range of gaming does happen on the Microsoft system and people are aware that if they wish to play games they have to go Windows. How does this not add to their overall gaming 'presence'?

 

Now see, AGAIN, that is more like an, Opinion :) I for one don't give a rats ass about the media capabilities in my Psp, I got it for games and I keep it for the games. Please feel free to give some solid proof and I will change my overall opinion on that matter, no problem

And now your just trying to get some random numbers in there which is derailing the topic imo. You really wanna get into all the electronics (EG: SE Phones) in the market now? I mean really?

Look at the attach rates, 2.5 vs 4. The PSP has been out the same time and has a smaller hardware base. You would expect the attach rate to be higher than the PSP but software sales do not match this. In addition to this, the software attach rate ought to be rising as the hardware sales fall YOY but it doesn't seem to be the case.

So you just jumped to the conclusion that people buy the psp for non gaming purposes? :S Did you even consider the possibility that it might be because there are not as many games on the psp that people would like to play? If you check the software charts you can see when there is a good title released for the psp, the sales sky rocket for it. Your argument is flawed. So unless you have substantial proof otherwise, I am not convinced at all

This is ridiculous, some people buy the PS3 just for Blu-ray, and there are definitely people who buy PSP just for media playback. You can't just ignore that to suit your arguement.

ok first take a few deep breaths and relax :D we are not suing the company your working for anything. It's a discussion ok? So take it easy

Second: Check what I highlited on his post. I asked for proof cuz without proof it's an opinion. He used game attatch rates as the reason for his statement. I just pointed out there are MANY possible reasons to the attatch rate situation. I gave an example as well.

 

@WW: Again mate, you say games don't sell well on PSP. Maybe not ALL games. But the good ones do. You can't deny that now can you? Games like Monster Hunter, Crisis Core, KH:BBS, etc sell impressively. So no, simplest explaination (well at least simplest to you in this case) doesn't mean it's the correct one. So either give some solid proof or it's an OPINION



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jarrod said:
huaxiong90 said:

Are a few days really that significant? Lol.

Well, no, not really.  Just having some fun. <3

 

I do think it's bit of reach always have to stretch into past gens for "franchise strength" though.  Today's really an entirely different ballgame, and honestly that's been shown already in the few generational franchise transitions for Sony (albeit Hot Shots Golf, Rachet & Clank and Boku no Natsu Yasumi being the only major ones so far, we'll be able to add God of War, SOCOM and Gran Turismo when the year's over). 

Lol, I know.

 

Really, though, I understand what you're saying. Guess we can only wait and see.



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M.U.G.E.N said:
r505Matt said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
WilliamWatts said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
WilliamWatts said:

Operating systems are platforms which unify distinct hardware under the one umbrella. What the user does with the system is up to the user. For example it seems that more people buy the PSP for media playback than gaming based off attach rates. Does that mean that the PSP doesn't count as a platform for gaming? In addition to this, as future consoles do far more than gaming as well then how do you categorise them?

The iTouch, Phone and soon Pad are the same ecosystem even though they are three distinct pieces of hardware. People have no trouble describing them as a unified platform and they have no problem with the idea that part of their appeal is the mobile games and apps you can get on all three. Windows mobile 7 is also fairly unified in terms of the hardware basis for the phones even if the manufacturers are distinctly different.

In the home operating system space, Microsoft seems to have spent considerable time and money developing their gaming related tools and APIs. Infact both the Xbox 360 and PS3 bear Microsofts influence in the design of their respective GPUs. Its no happy accident that a wide range of gaming does happen on the Microsoft system and people are aware that if they wish to play games they have to go Windows. How does this not add to their overall gaming 'presence'?

 

Now see, AGAIN, that is more like an, Opinion :) I for one don't give a rats ass about the media capabilities in my Psp, I got it for games and I keep it for the games. Please feel free to give some solid proof and I will change my overall opinion on that matter, no problem

And now your just trying to get some random numbers in there which is derailing the topic imo. You really wanna get into all the electronics (EG: SE Phones) in the market now? I mean really?

Look at the attach rates, 2.5 vs 4. The PSP has been out the same time and has a smaller hardware base. You would expect the attach rate to be higher than the PSP but software sales do not match this. In addition to this, the software attach rate ought to be rising as the hardware sales fall YOY but it doesn't seem to be the case.

So you just jumped to the conclusion that people buy the psp for non gaming purposes? :S Did you even consider the possibility that it might be because there are not as many games on the psp that people would like to play? If you check the software charts you can see when there is a good title released for the psp, the sales sky rocket for it. Your argument is flawed. So unless you have substantial proof otherwise, I am not convinced at all

This is ridiculous, some people buy the PS3 just for Blu-ray, and there are definitely people who buy PSP just for media playback. You can't just ignore that to suit your arguement.

ok first take a few deep breaths and relax :D we are not suing the company your working for anything. It's a discussion ok? So take it easy

Second: Check what I highlited on his post. I asked for proof cuz without proof it's an opinion. He used game attatch rates as the reason for his statement. I just pointed out there are MANY possible reasons to the attatch rate situation. I gave an example as well.

 

@WW: Again mate, you say games don't sell well on PSP. Maybe not ALL games. But the good ones do. You can't deny that now can you? Games like Monster Hunter, Crisis Core, KH:BBS, etc sell impressively. So no, simplest explaination (well at least simplest to you in this case) doesn't mean it's the correct one. So either give some solid proof or it's an OPINION

Haha we've never talked before, but I'm probably one of the most relaxed person on these forums. I've been angry 2 times in my life, I don't get upset easily, so don't misunderstand me and falsely read some sub-tone of annoyance or anger. So no worries about me freaking out okay? =)

2nd: I know what you're saying, but such a low attach-rate really would indicate something else was going on there. I'm just saying you can't disregard that because you don't want to deal with it/hear about it. But I also agree with you that without substantial proof, you can't totally believe it. But, that doesn't mean it's flawed. Essentially the two of you are looking at the same data and coming up with different conclusions. It's not right to say "your conclusion is wrong, mine is right" just because there isn't enough data. You would have been better off understanding and saying something like "yeah, that could be possible, but there's no way to tell". That way you would have sounded like you listened to someone else's ideas like a human being and not a brick wall.

Sherlock Holmes would say you suffer from a lack of imagination and the inability to make deductions based on simple data. There's nothing wrong with that, but it doesn't make your side correct either.

Just saying.

 



r505Matt said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
r505Matt said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
WilliamWatts said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
WilliamWatts said:

Operating systems are platforms which unify distinct hardware under the one umbrella. What the user does with the system is up to the user. For example it seems that more people buy the PSP for media playback than gaming based off attach rates. Does that mean that the PSP doesn't count as a platform for gaming? In addition to this, as future consoles do far more than gaming as well then how do you categorise them?

The iTouch, Phone and soon Pad are the same ecosystem even though they are three distinct pieces of hardware. People have no trouble describing them as a unified platform and they have no problem with the idea that part of their appeal is the mobile games and apps you can get on all three. Windows mobile 7 is also fairly unified in terms of the hardware basis for the phones even if the manufacturers are distinctly different.

In the home operating system space, Microsoft seems to have spent considerable time and money developing their gaming related tools and APIs. Infact both the Xbox 360 and PS3 bear Microsofts influence in the design of their respective GPUs. Its no happy accident that a wide range of gaming does happen on the Microsoft system and people are aware that if they wish to play games they have to go Windows. How does this not add to their overall gaming 'presence'?

 

Now see, AGAIN, that is more like an, Opinion :) I for one don't give a rats ass about the media capabilities in my Psp, I got it for games and I keep it for the games. Please feel free to give some solid proof and I will change my overall opinion on that matter, no problem

And now your just trying to get some random numbers in there which is derailing the topic imo. You really wanna get into all the electronics (EG: SE Phones) in the market now? I mean really?

Look at the attach rates, 2.5 vs 4. The PSP has been out the same time and has a smaller hardware base. You would expect the attach rate to be higher than the PSP but software sales do not match this. In addition to this, the software attach rate ought to be rising as the hardware sales fall YOY but it doesn't seem to be the case.

So you just jumped to the conclusion that people buy the psp for non gaming purposes? :S Did you even consider the possibility that it might be because there are not as many games on the psp that people would like to play? If you check the software charts you can see when there is a good title released for the psp, the sales sky rocket for it. Your argument is flawed. So unless you have substantial proof otherwise, I am not convinced at all

This is ridiculous, some people buy the PS3 just for Blu-ray, and there are definitely people who buy PSP just for media playback. You can't just ignore that to suit your arguement.

ok first take a few deep breaths and relax :D we are not suing the company your working for anything. It's a discussion ok? So take it easy

Second: Check what I highlited on his post. I asked for proof cuz without proof it's an opinion. He used game attatch rates as the reason for his statement. I just pointed out there are MANY possible reasons to the attatch rate situation. I gave an example as well.

 

@WW: Again mate, you say games don't sell well on PSP. Maybe not ALL games. But the good ones do. You can't deny that now can you? Games like Monster Hunter, Crisis Core, KH:BBS, etc sell impressively. So no, simplest explaination (well at least simplest to you in this case) doesn't mean it's the correct one. So either give some solid proof or it's an OPINION

Haha we've never talked before, but I'm probably one of the most relaxed person on these forums. I've been angry 2 times in my life, I don't get upset easily, so don't misunderstand me and falsely read some sub-tone of annoyance or anger. So no worries about me freaking out okay? =)

2nd: I know what you're saying, but such a low attach-rate really would indicate something else was going on there. I'm just saying you can't disregard that because you don't want to deal with it/hear about it. But I also agree with you that without substantial proof, you can't totally believe it. But, that doesn't mean it's flawed. Essentially the two of you are looking at the same data and coming up with different conclusions. It's not right to say "your conclusion is wrong, mine is right" just because there isn't enough data. You would have been better off understanding and saying something like "yeah, that could be possible, but there's no way to tell". That way you would have sounded like you listened to someone else's ideas like a human being and not a brick wall.

Sherlock Holmes would say you suffer from a lack of imagination and the inability to make deductions based on simple data. There's nothing wrong with that, but it doesn't make your side correct either.

Just saying.

 

Sherlock Holmes might say you lack the ability to read also, just saying ;)

I NEVER said he was wrong and nor did I say I was RIGHT! Again read better next time. I said one can't just jump to conclusions here. I know when I bought my psp, at the time the only games appealed to me were GOW and Crisis Core. None of the other game offerings appealed to me so I didn't buy them, simple. SO again there are many POSSIBLE reasons for such an issue. People with an open mind and imagination should be able to grasp that. PSP games that are good sell well, as I'm sure there are people who bought the psp JUST for a perticular game as with ANY console (I bought the DS for layton) and also as WW said it might be because people buy it for the meda applications and not the games. So there are MANY possible reasons. So unless you can give some factual proof, your just derailing the thread and wasting my time, no offense

 

PS: When reading into stats, try to consider ALL possible reasons. If not even a moron can jump into sudden conclusions and say hey this happened cuz of THIS REASON DAMN IT!. Stats are what they are. Stats, nothing less nothing more



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Hmmm Almost but not so there yet..
I think Microsoft really Underestimated Sony with their price strategies so high yet it still manages to outsell the Cheap Xbox 360?
Thats the power of a brand right there, Ability to have high sales at a higher price tag.
Possibily next generation though