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Have Microsoft solidified themselves as a gaming giant equal to Sony?

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WilliamWatts on 16 March 2010
nordlead said:

ok, not reading the whole thread, just throwing out my thoughts.

Microsoft hasn't matched Sony yet, but they are getting there and could be there in the next generation. While Microsoft is currently beating Sony in Unit sale (x360 vs PS3 only) Sony still has a few things in its favor. Overall the PS3 & X360 are relatively matched in terms of system influence, but Sony has portable gaming and much larger 1st party software support. Both of which aren't being matched by Microsoft.

Doesn't Windows Mobile count for anything here? Theres a lot of bus surrounding their Courier tablet (which looks very cool I might add) and their Windows Mobile 7 operating system. I saw a presentation on that and it looks like Windows Mobile 7 will have some excellent gaming capabilities and cross platform support with the much larger Xbox Live service. (Note: I heard from a friend who was working on developing an indie game that the only way they would release on PSN is if fully funded by Sony, so that would just compound their advantage)



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nordlead on 16 March 2010
WilliamWatts said:
nordlead said:

ok, not reading the whole thread, just throwing out my thoughts.

Microsoft hasn't matched Sony yet, but they are getting there and could be there in the next generation. While Microsoft is currently beating Sony in Unit sale (x360 vs PS3 only) Sony still has a few things in its favor. Overall the PS3 & X360 are relatively matched in terms of system influence, but Sony has portable gaming and much larger 1st party software support. Both of which aren't being matched by Microsoft.

Doesn't Windows Mobile count for anything here? Theres a lot of bus surrounding their Courier tablet (which looks very cool I might add) and their Windows Mobile 7 operating system. I saw a presentation on that and it looks like Windows Mobile 7 will have some excellent gaming capabilities and cross platform support with the much larger Xbox Live service. (Note: I heard from a friend who was working on developing an indie game that the only way they would release on PSN is if fully funded by Sony, so that would just compound their advantage)

No, Windows 7 and Windows mobile do not count for gaming as they are operating systems. Those platforms are made primarily for business/productivity/web use, not gaming. Windows Mobile hasn't even toppled Apple yet, and I was just reading an article about how Apple brings in ~$1.00/month and Android only brings in ~$0.061/month per user in gaming revenue. As much as Apple wants you to think the iPhone will kill the DS, it is a phone that happens to have gaming capabilities. It is a small player when compared to the DS or even the PSP.




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jarrod on 16 March 2010
huaxiong90 said:
jarrod said:
huaxiong90 said:
jarrod said:
Hus said:
jarrod said:
Hus said:
DirtyP2002 said:

 

The only segment where MS is not as big as Sony are handhelds, because they are not in that business.

 

So in 1st party development they are equall ? and they both own equal amount of game franchises ? or they publish equal amount of games.

LMFAO

They have fewer internal studios and put out less games, but their 1st party games seemingly sell better at the same time.   It's just a different publishing philosophy (fewer games than sell better), one that Microsoft was pretty vocal about shifting to this gen.

As far as game franchises that MS owns though, they really do have a huge amount of popular legacy brands from Rare and various other studios that are going unused (Crimson Skies, Battletoads, Flight Simulator, Snake Rattle N' Roll, Age of Empires, Blast Corps, MechWarrior/Assault, Shadowrun, Killer instinct, Sabrewulf, Knight Lore, Rise of Nations, Starlancer, Conker, Black & White, R.C. Pro Am, Midtown Madness, PGR, Wizards & Warriors, Jet Force Gemini, etc, etc).  In that regard they may actually be comparable to Sony (who also has a lot of dormant brands).

Well what are these better selling games, and how mush better do they sale.  Just what are they, and come on like Sony does not have load of unused games franchises.

 

Well, Halo.  Nothing Sony's published in the past half decade even comes close.  Microsoft is pretty strong with secondary brands too, like Fable, Forza and (although not owned by them) Gears of War.  Sony release a LOT more content, but sales wise Microsoft's still even with them overall really.

And yeah, Sony has a TON of dormant brands.  Parappa / Lammy, Jumping Flash, WildARMs, Arc the Lad, Xai, Intelligent Qube, Jak, Alundra, Lemmings, Destruction Derby, Mark of the Kri, Dark Cloud, Popolocrois, Sly Cooper, Dropship, Omega Boost, Rally Cross, MediEvil, Motor Toon GP, SkyBlazer, Draken, Colony Wars, Shadow of the Beast, Discworld, etc, etc.  Lots of missed opportunities for both Sony and MS really imo. :/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gran_Turismo_4

Released in 2005.

 

If Microsoft sales were even with Sony overall, then they should always be in the weekly charts in the top 10 game publishers. And they're not.

 

I agree, though, Sony and Microsoft could really make good use of their old franchises.

lol, check your own link...

JP December 28, 2004
NA February 22, 2005
EU March 9, 2005

 

...all 3 of those dates would be over a "past half decade" (ie: 5 years). <3

Also, weekly charts aren't the whole picture.  No PC, no downloadables.

March 2005. Do the math.

Today's March 16.  Take your own advice. ;)



jarrod on 16 March 2010
Hus said:
jarrod said:
Hus said:
jarrod said:
 

lol, check your own link...

JP December 28, 2004
NA February 22, 2005
EU March 9, 2005

 

...all 3 of those dates would be over a "past half decade" (ie: 5 years). <3

Also, weekly charts aren't the whole picture.  No PC, no downloadables.

and we all know you said half decade only becaueyou want to comapre MS Sony with out including a Full GT, cause if you do GT takes away the HaLo argument and you got nothing. 

Its a well know strategy by Sony haters/360 supporters.  Disregard GT at all costs and champion Halo.

I said half decade because it's a significant amount of time, an easily comprehendible period, the most often cited generational cycle and franchises can easily rise and fall over such a period.  

GT5 will be big though, but it's not like we haven't seen any GT releases in the interim (GT5Prologue, GT PSP,etc).  GT5 might compare to Halo 3, but really we won't know until it's actually in the market and actually performing.

Cut the crap dude, we both have picked sides and stick to them.  But playing dumb to support your opinion, just stop.

A pay for demo did 4.5 million, that should tell any one with some brains all they need to know. 

Yet you will bs post me that we won't know till its released, we all know what it will do.  Just like we know what Reach or next Mario will do or what Gears 3 is bound to do.     

Well, if Japan's anything to go by (and right now, it's literally the only thing to go by since it's the only region we have bundles vs real sales), most people didn't actually "pay" for GT5P. :P

And the difference between comparing say Reach or Galaxy 2 or Gears 3 to GT5, is that each of the others have a fairly recent precedent to go on.  The only thing we have for GT is GT PSP really, which is a problematic comparison at best (for many reasons). Also, I'm not playing dumb.  A half decade is just a good unit of measure, one that probably most accurately reflects each publisher in this generation.  Stop holding onto the past so tight.



WilliamWatts on 16 March 2010
nordlead said:
WilliamWatts said:
nordlead said:

ok, not reading the whole thread, just throwing out my thoughts.

Microsoft hasn't matched Sony yet, but they are getting there and could be there in the next generation. While Microsoft is currently beating Sony in Unit sale (x360 vs PS3 only) Sony still has a few things in its favor. Overall the PS3 & X360 are relatively matched in terms of system influence, but Sony has portable gaming and much larger 1st party software support. Both of which aren't being matched by Microsoft.

Doesn't Windows Mobile count for anything here? Theres a lot of bus surrounding their Courier tablet (which looks very cool I might add) and their Windows Mobile 7 operating system. I saw a presentation on that and it looks like Windows Mobile 7 will have some excellent gaming capabilities and cross platform support with the much larger Xbox Live service. (Note: I heard from a friend who was working on developing an indie game that the only way they would release on PSN is if fully funded by Sony, so that would just compound their advantage)

No, Windows 7 and Windows mobile do not count for gaming as they are operating systems. Those platforms are made primarily for business/productivity/web use, not gaming. Windows Mobile hasn't even toppled Apple yet, and I was just reading an article about how Apple brings in ~$1.00/month and Android only brings in ~$0.061/month per user in gaming revenue. As much as Apple wants you to think the iPhone will kill the DS, it is a phone that happens to have gaming capabilities. It is a small player when compared to the DS or even the PSP.

Operating systems are platforms which unify distinct hardware under the one umbrella. What the user does with the system is up to the user. For example it seems that more people buy the PSP for media playback than gaming based off attach rates. Does that mean that the PSP doesn't count as a platform for gaming? In addition to this, as future consoles do far more than gaming as well then how do you categorise them?

The iTouch, Phone and soon Pad are the same ecosystem even though they are three distinct pieces of hardware. People have no trouble describing them as a unified platform and they have no problem with the idea that part of their appeal is the mobile games and apps you can get on all three. Windows mobile 7 is also fairly unified in terms of the hardware basis for the phones even if the manufacturers are distinctly different.

In the home operating system space, Microsoft seems to have spent considerable time and money developing their gaming related tools and APIs. Infact both the Xbox 360 and PS3 bear Microsofts influence in the design of their respective GPUs. Its no happy accident that a wide range of gaming does happen on the Microsoft system and people are aware that if they wish to play games they have to go Windows. How does this not add to their overall gaming 'presence'?

 



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M.U.G.E.N on 16 March 2010
WilliamWatts said:
nordlead said:
WilliamWatts said:
nordlead said:

ok, not reading the whole thread, just throwing out my thoughts.

Microsoft hasn't matched Sony yet, but they are getting there and could be there in the next generation. While Microsoft is currently beating Sony in Unit sale (x360 vs PS3 only) Sony still has a few things in its favor. Overall the PS3 & X360 are relatively matched in terms of system influence, but Sony has portable gaming and much larger 1st party software support. Both of which aren't being matched by Microsoft.

Doesn't Windows Mobile count for anything here? Theres a lot of bus surrounding their Courier tablet (which looks very cool I might add) and their Windows Mobile 7 operating system. I saw a presentation on that and it looks like Windows Mobile 7 will have some excellent gaming capabilities and cross platform support with the much larger Xbox Live service. (Note: I heard from a friend who was working on developing an indie game that the only way they would release on PSN is if fully funded by Sony, so that would just compound their advantage)

No, Windows 7 and Windows mobile do not count for gaming as they are operating systems. Those platforms are made primarily for business/productivity/web use, not gaming. Windows Mobile hasn't even toppled Apple yet, and I was just reading an article about how Apple brings in ~$1.00/month and Android only brings in ~$0.061/month per user in gaming revenue. As much as Apple wants you to think the iPhone will kill the DS, it is a phone that happens to have gaming capabilities. It is a small player when compared to the DS or even the PSP.

Operating systems are platforms which unify distinct hardware under the one umbrella. What the user does with the system is up to the user. For example it seems that more people buy the PSP for media playback than gaming based off attach rates. Does that mean that the PSP doesn't count as a platform for gaming? In addition to this, as future consoles do far more than gaming as well then how do you categorise them?

The iTouch, Phone and soon Pad are the same ecosystem even though they are three distinct pieces of hardware. People have no trouble describing them as a unified platform and they have no problem with the idea that part of their appeal is the mobile games and apps you can get on all three. Windows mobile 7 is also fairly unified in terms of the hardware basis for the phones even if the manufacturers are distinctly different.

In the home operating system space, Microsoft seems to have spent considerable time and money developing their gaming related tools and APIs. Infact both the Xbox 360 and PS3 bear Microsofts influence in the design of their respective GPUs. Its no happy accident that a wide range of gaming does happen on the Microsoft system and people are aware that if they wish to play games they have to go Windows. How does this not add to their overall gaming 'presence'?

 

Now see, AGAIN, that is more like an, Opinion :) I for one don't give a rats ass about the media capabilities in my Psp, I got it for games and I keep it for the games. Please feel free to give some solid proof and I will change my overall opinion on that matter, no problem

And now your just trying to get some random numbers in there which is derailing the topic imo. You really wanna get into all the electronics (EG: SE Phones) in the market now? I mean really?



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Carl on 16 March 2010
Seece said:
Carl2291 said:
Equal to Sony? No.

Sony have great sales in all regions and have 3 platforms on the market, wheras Microsoft only have 1 platform on the market, that only has great sales in America and a small part of Europe. It has yet to pick up any kind of real momentum in Japan.

All you need to do is take a look at this weeks sales. Without the "Americas", the 360 only sold ~50k in the rest of the world, wheras the PS3 sold ~100k in the rest of the world.

I would say though, that the Xbox brand is now greater than the PS brand in the US, and possibly in the UK.

This time last year, the X360 was beating PS3 in Others, Europe and America. The Xbox can easily beat the PS3 in Europe/Others at any one time. For PS3 to beat the Xbox in America ... well even with the slim it's not made a dent.

Therefore

America - Xbox >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PS3
Others - PS3 >> Xbox
Japan - PS3 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Xbox

In that respect, Microsoft have a wider audience to sell to. As Others/Europe isn't as Sony dominated as you like to think.

But all in all, I believe Sony is bigger in gaming than Microsoft, as far as the current gen goes though, they're 100% equal if anything ..

I meant the recently cut 360 of last year vs the PS3 of now. But sure, i can understand that a £130 360 was outselling the £300 PS3



                            

WilliamWatts on 16 March 2010
M.U.G.E.N said:
WilliamWatts said:

Operating systems are platforms which unify distinct hardware under the one umbrella. What the user does with the system is up to the user. For example it seems that more people buy the PSP for media playback than gaming based off attach rates. Does that mean that the PSP doesn't count as a platform for gaming? In addition to this, as future consoles do far more than gaming as well then how do you categorise them?

The iTouch, Phone and soon Pad are the same ecosystem even though they are three distinct pieces of hardware. People have no trouble describing them as a unified platform and they have no problem with the idea that part of their appeal is the mobile games and apps you can get on all three. Windows mobile 7 is also fairly unified in terms of the hardware basis for the phones even if the manufacturers are distinctly different.

In the home operating system space, Microsoft seems to have spent considerable time and money developing their gaming related tools and APIs. Infact both the Xbox 360 and PS3 bear Microsofts influence in the design of their respective GPUs. Its no happy accident that a wide range of gaming does happen on the Microsoft system and people are aware that if they wish to play games they have to go Windows. How does this not add to their overall gaming 'presence'?

 

Now see, AGAIN, that is more like an, Opinion :) I for one don't give a rats ass about the media capabilities in my Psp, I got it for games and I keep it for the games. Please feel free to give some solid proof and I will change my overall opinion on that matter, no problem

And now your just trying to get some random numbers in there which is derailing the topic imo. You really wanna get into all the electronics (EG: SE Phones) in the market now? I mean really?

Look at the attach rates, 2.5 vs 4. The PSP has been out the same time and has a smaller hardware base. You would expect the attach rate to be higher than the PSP but software sales do not match this. In addition to this, the software attach rate ought to be rising as the hardware sales fall YOY but it doesn't seem to be the case.



Booh! on 16 March 2010

Not even close...

Hardware wise, Sony had two very succesful consoles, and now it has other two consoles on the market. MS had one very unsuccesful console and now it has one on the market (and a not very succesful one, if they're lucky it could end second).

Software wise there's no contest. Sony developed or funded a lot of important IP's, while MS only developed Flight Simulator, which now is dead (when MS bought Bungie, Bungie had already developed Halo for windows and mac...).



M.U.G.E.N on 16 March 2010
WilliamWatts said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
WilliamWatts said:

Operating systems are platforms which unify distinct hardware under the one umbrella. What the user does with the system is up to the user. For example it seems that more people buy the PSP for media playback than gaming based off attach rates. Does that mean that the PSP doesn't count as a platform for gaming? In addition to this, as future consoles do far more than gaming as well then how do you categorise them?

The iTouch, Phone and soon Pad are the same ecosystem even though they are three distinct pieces of hardware. People have no trouble describing them as a unified platform and they have no problem with the idea that part of their appeal is the mobile games and apps you can get on all three. Windows mobile 7 is also fairly unified in terms of the hardware basis for the phones even if the manufacturers are distinctly different.

In the home operating system space, Microsoft seems to have spent considerable time and money developing their gaming related tools and APIs. Infact both the Xbox 360 and PS3 bear Microsofts influence in the design of their respective GPUs. Its no happy accident that a wide range of gaming does happen on the Microsoft system and people are aware that if they wish to play games they have to go Windows. How does this not add to their overall gaming 'presence'?

 

Now see, AGAIN, that is more like an, Opinion :) I for one don't give a rats ass about the media capabilities in my Psp, I got it for games and I keep it for the games. Please feel free to give some solid proof and I will change my overall opinion on that matter, no problem

And now your just trying to get some random numbers in there which is derailing the topic imo. You really wanna get into all the electronics (EG: SE Phones) in the market now? I mean really?

Look at the attach rates, 2.5 vs 4. The PSP has been out the same time and has a smaller hardware base. You would expect the attach rate to be higher than the PSP but software sales do not match this. In addition to this, the software attach rate ought to be rising as the hardware sales fall YOY but it doesn't seem to be the case.

So you just jumped to the conclusion that people buy the psp for non gaming purposes? :S Did you even consider the possibility that it might be because there are not as many games on the psp that people would like to play? If you check the software charts you can see when there is a good title released for the psp, the sales sky rocket for it. Your argument is flawed. So unless you have substantial proof otherwise, I am not convinced at all



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