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Have Microsoft solidified themselves as a gaming giant equal to Sony?

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S.T.A.G.E. on 16 March 2010
M.U.G.E.N said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
CGI-Quality said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Microsoft hasn't quite done it yet. Despite the fact that they have more name brand games than Sony doesn't finish the job just quite yet. The game changer will be whatever the decisions about buying out companies are. Microsoft needs to own at least 10 known gaming and worthy gaming companies before they can shut out Sony. Sony has 17, but Microsoft pumps out more with a very small group of companies under 1st party rule. If they had 10 known companies Sony would be eating dust.

Pardon?


Microsoft has actually games that are heavy name brands on top of having a mascot game being one of them. Uncharted isn't  a heavy name brand, Infamous isn't a name brand, Killzone isn't a name brand. All Sony has is MGS4 which is third party and GT still to this day, Jak and Daxter and Rachet and Clank are neither heavy name brands. Crash Bandicoot could've been a heavy name brand and a mascot if Sony didn't sabotage everything. Microsoft has Halo which has Master Chief as a company mascot and Gears of War with Marcus fenix quickly having his name become synonymous with the Xbox. Sony's only mascot character to tell you the truth is Snake and he's a third party character so it doesn't really count. Nintendo....that company has name brands up the yin yang....hence why SSMB was formed.

 

Back to my point though. If Microsoft bought 10 noteworthy companies to make first party games for them, based on the amount they pump out every year vs Sony, they would still have more productivity. If they created name heavy name brand games with at least 1/4 of those companies they would be in great shape.

Now see that is more like an, opinion :) I honestly doubt there is anyone in the gaming community that do not know what Uncharted is after it just destroying competition in awards and critical acclaim in 2009 and heck even now, that's just one example

 

Not true at all. The majority of the gaming community know first name basis titles and mascots (IE: Mario, Halo, MGS, COD, GT5, GeOW). Mostly hardcore gamers know Uncharted.



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M.U.G.E.N on 16 March 2010

@STAGE: I think your mixing non gamers and gamers here. It's like saying people don't know what or who Kratos is or something. Uncharted 2 won way over 100 GOTY awards so far. ANYONE in the gaming community will know this unless they lived under a rock (without internet ofcourse, some rocks might have that :P) But seriosuly come on now



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Hus on 16 March 2010
youarebadatgames said:
Hus said:
youarebadatgames said:
Not having first parties for MS is a good thing, they specialize in building software and APIs. It's a better idea to lay a good foundation and let the third parties be an independent the creative force, rather than trying to purchase a large portfolio of studios and telling them what to do. MS is far superior to Sony on the developer side, which is why outside of Sony's first parties most companies choose MS as the lead console (superior tools, DirectX/XNA, better online integration/support).

The only downside is it leaves studios free to go multiplat, but given that their strategy has shown almost all multiplats to be superior on the 360 in performance and sales, it's paid off pretty well.

Cute, you got no clue wtf you are posting about.

Actually alot of Sony owned Studios have a great deal of atonomy, only the big Japan and London ones really get told and much of that is psn/home and tool kit development.  Might want to look at sales bud many multi plats sale better on PS3 and play better, this is not 2007.

 

http://www.vgchartz.com/worldtotals.php?name=&console=PS3&publisher=&genre=&minSales=0&results=50&sort=Total

http://www.vgchartz.com/worldtotals.php?name=&console=X360&publisher=&genre=&minSales=0&results=50&sort=Total

lol wut?  This is a sales site, it's easy to just look at the charts for multiplats and see most sell better on 360.  Funny you don't do anything to dispute the facts too - MS is superior on the development side and the multiplats sell better.  The best selling games on PS3 are multiplats, which are all outsold by their 360 counterparts.  It's easier to think of the games that sell better on PS3 cause you can probably count them on one hand.

Yes it is a sales site, so take a look at some sales of games like Fifa, ProEvo, Need for Speed, Residant Evil.  Might want to look at modern releases not ones back when 360 was establisehed and PS3 was just launching. 

Yahh best seller on PS3 is multipalt, casue GT5 has yet to release just like without HAlo the top sellers on 360 are multi plats.  They are out sold casue they are shooters that cater to NA which is 360 strongest market.  Just like Multipalts that cater to Europe out sale the 360 version. 

 



jarrod on 16 March 2010
Hus said:
jarrod said:
 

lol, check your own link...

JP December 28, 2004
NA February 22, 2005
EU March 9, 2005

 

...all 3 of those dates would be over a "past half decade" (ie: 5 years). <3

Also, weekly charts aren't the whole picture.  No PC, no downloadables.

and we all know you said half decade only becaueyou want to comapre MS Sony with out including a Full GT, cause if you do GT takes away the HaLo argument and you got nothing. 

Its a well know strategy by Sony haters/360 supporters.  Disregard GT at all costs and champion Halo.

I said half decade because it's a significant amount of time, an easily comprehendible period, the most often cited generational cycle and franchises can easily rise and fall over such a period.  

GT5 will be big though, but it's not like we haven't seen any GT releases in the interim (GT5Prologue, GT PSP,etc).  GT5 might compare to Halo 3, but really we won't know until it's actually in the market and actually performing.



Hus on 16 March 2010
jarrod said:
Hus said:
jarrod said:
 

lol, check your own link...

JP December 28, 2004
NA February 22, 2005
EU March 9, 2005

 

...all 3 of those dates would be over a "past half decade" (ie: 5 years). <3

Also, weekly charts aren't the whole picture.  No PC, no downloadables.

and we all know you said half decade only becaueyou want to comapre MS Sony with out including a Full GT, cause if you do GT takes away the HaLo argument and you got nothing. 

Its a well know strategy by Sony haters/360 supporters.  Disregard GT at all costs and champion Halo.

I said half decade because it's a significant amount of time, an easily comprehendible period, the most often cited generational cycle and franchises can easily rise and fall over such a period.  

GT5 will be big though, but it's not like we haven't seen any GT releases in the interim (GT5Prologue, GT PSP,etc).  GT5 might compare to Halo 3, but really we won't know until it's actually in the market and actually performing.

Cut the crap dude, we both have picked sides and stick to them.  But playing dumb to support your opinion, just stop.

A pay for demo did 4.5 million, that should tell any one with some brains all they need to know. 

Yet you will bs post me that we won't know till its released, we all know what it will do.  Just like we know what Reach or next Mario will do or what Gears 3 is bound to do.     



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themanwithnoname on 16 March 2010
huaxiong90 said:
jarrod said:
Hus said:
DirtyP2002 said:

 

The only segment where MS is not as big as Sony are handhelds, because they are not in that business.

 

So in 1st party development they are equall ? and they both own equal amount of game franchises ? or they publish equal amount of games.

LMFAO

They have fewer internal studios and put out less games, but their 1st party games seemingly sell better at the same time.   It's just a different publishing philosophy (fewer games than sell better), one that Microsoft was pretty vocal about shifting to this gen.

As far as game franchises that MS owns though, they really do have a huge amount of popular legacy brands from Rare and various other studios that are going unused (Crimson Skies, Battletoads, Flight Simulator, Snake Rattle N' Roll, Age of Empires, Blast Corps, MechWarrior/Assault, Shadowrun, Killer instinct, Sabrewulf, Knight Lore, Rise of Nations, Starlancer, Conker, Black & White, R.C. Pro Am, Midtown Madness, PGR, Wizards & Warriors, Jet Force Gemini, etc, etc).  In that regard they may actually be comparable to Sony (who also has a lot of dormant brands).

Besides Halo, what 1st party games sold better than the PS3 games? I'm gonna leave the PS2 and PS1 out of this, but what 1st party games for Microsoft have outsold Sony's 1st party games besides Halo?


Fable II is about to pass MotorStorm, and then it'll be only behind Gran Turismo and the heavily bundled Resistance.



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Hus on 16 March 2010
themanwithnoname said:


Fable II is about to pass MotorStorm, and then it'll be only behind Gran Turismo and the heavily bundled Resistance.

And its being chased by a little game called Uncharted 2 bud.



S.T.A.G.E. on 16 March 2010
M.U.G.E.N said:

@STAGE: I think your mixing non gamers and gamers here. It's like saying people don't know what or who Kratos is or something. Uncharted 2 won way over 100 GOTY awards so far. ANYONE in the gaming community will know this unless they lived under a rock (without internet ofcourse, some rocks might have that :P) But seriosuly come on now


The majority of the gaming community are casual gamers....not non gamers. Non-gamers don't care about gaming at all. Casuals care enough to buy a game and enjoy it in passing with friends or family or sometimes even alone. Uncharted though a successful title is not a first name basis title nor a household name.



huaxiong90 on 16 March 2010
jarrod said:
huaxiong90 said:
jarrod said:
Hus said:
jarrod said:
Hus said:
DirtyP2002 said:

 

The only segment where MS is not as big as Sony are handhelds, because they are not in that business.

 

So in 1st party development they are equall ? and they both own equal amount of game franchises ? or they publish equal amount of games.

LMFAO

They have fewer internal studios and put out less games, but their 1st party games seemingly sell better at the same time.   It's just a different publishing philosophy (fewer games than sell better), one that Microsoft was pretty vocal about shifting to this gen.

As far as game franchises that MS owns though, they really do have a huge amount of popular legacy brands from Rare and various other studios that are going unused (Crimson Skies, Battletoads, Flight Simulator, Snake Rattle N' Roll, Age of Empires, Blast Corps, MechWarrior/Assault, Shadowrun, Killer instinct, Sabrewulf, Knight Lore, Rise of Nations, Starlancer, Conker, Black & White, R.C. Pro Am, Midtown Madness, PGR, Wizards & Warriors, Jet Force Gemini, etc, etc).  In that regard they may actually be comparable to Sony (who also has a lot of dormant brands).

Well what are these better selling games, and how mush better do they sale.  Just what are they, and come on like Sony does not have load of unused games franchises.

 

Well, Halo.  Nothing Sony's published in the past half decade even comes close.  Microsoft is pretty strong with secondary brands too, like Fable, Forza and (although not owned by them) Gears of War.  Sony release a LOT more content, but sales wise Microsoft's still even with them overall really.

And yeah, Sony has a TON of dormant brands.  Parappa / Lammy, Jumping Flash, WildARMs, Arc the Lad, Xai, Intelligent Qube, Jak, Alundra, Lemmings, Destruction Derby, Mark of the Kri, Dark Cloud, Popolocrois, Sly Cooper, Dropship, Omega Boost, Rally Cross, MediEvil, Motor Toon GP, SkyBlazer, Draken, Colony Wars, Shadow of the Beast, Discworld, etc, etc.  Lots of missed opportunities for both Sony and MS really imo. :/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gran_Turismo_4

Released in 2005.

 

If Microsoft sales were even with Sony overall, then they should always be in the weekly charts in the top 10 game publishers. And they're not.

 

I agree, though, Sony and Microsoft could really make good use of their old franchises.

lol, check your own link...

JP December 28, 2004
NA February 22, 2005
EU March 9, 2005

 

...all 3 of those dates would be over a "past half decade" (ie: 5 years). <3

Also, weekly charts aren't the whole picture.  No PC, no downloadables.

March 2005. Do the math.



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jneul on 16 March 2010

oh for this gen ms still does not equal sony here is why
x360 in japan = no man's land, with x360 struggling to sell at all, ps3 outsells it by a massive margin
x360 in europe = ps3 outselling x360
x360 in us = still outselling ps3, but only just, it is clinging on to the last market, i hardly call that equal
And don't even get me started on the exclusives I still have yet to see an equal to Uncharted 1, never mind uncharted 2, killzone 2, and finally GOW III will make it even harder for the x360.
MS shot themselves in the foot for not including HD-DVD in the x360, it will hold them back now that developers want to make bigger games with higher quality graphics
I apologise to all MS fans, this is just my view of course ok.



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