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Have Microsoft solidified themselves as a gaming giant equal to Sony?

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huaxiong90 on 16 March 2010
jarrod said:
Hus said:
jarrod said:
Hus said:
DirtyP2002 said:

 

The only segment where MS is not as big as Sony are handhelds, because they are not in that business.

 

So in 1st party development they are equall ? and they both own equal amount of game franchises ? or they publish equal amount of games.

LMFAO

They have fewer internal studios and put out less games, but their 1st party games seemingly sell better at the same time.   It's just a different publishing philosophy (fewer games than sell better), one that Microsoft was pretty vocal about shifting to this gen.

As far as game franchises that MS owns though, they really do have a huge amount of popular legacy brands from Rare and various other studios that are going unused (Crimson Skies, Battletoads, Flight Simulator, Snake Rattle N' Roll, Age of Empires, Blast Corps, MechWarrior/Assault, Shadowrun, Killer instinct, Sabrewulf, Knight Lore, Rise of Nations, Starlancer, Conker, Black & White, R.C. Pro Am, Midtown Madness, PGR, Wizards & Warriors, Jet Force Gemini, etc, etc).  In that regard they may actually be comparable to Sony (who also has a lot of dormant brands).

Well what are these better selling games, and how mush better do they sale.  Just what are they, and come on like Sony does not have load of unused games franchises.

 

Well, Halo.  Nothing Sony's published in the past half decade even comes close.  Microsoft is pretty strong with secondary brands too, like Fable, Forza and (although not owned by them) Gears of War.  Sony release a LOT more content, but sales wise Microsoft's still even with them overall really.

And yeah, Sony has a TON of dormant brands.  Parappa / Lammy, Jumping Flash, WildARMs, Arc the Lad, Xai, Intelligent Qube, Jak, Alundra, Lemmings, Destruction Derby, Mark of the Kri, Dark Cloud, Popolocrois, Sly Cooper, Dropship, Omega Boost, Rally Cross, MediEvil, Motor Toon GP, SkyBlazer, Draken, Colony Wars, Shadow of the Beast, Discworld, etc, etc.  Lots of missed opportunities for both Sony and MS really imo. :/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gran_Turismo_4

Released in 2005.

 

If Microsoft sales were even with Sony overall, then they should always be in the weekly charts in the top 10 game publishers. And they're not.

 

I agree, though, Sony and Microsoft could really make good use of their old franchises.



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Mr Puggsly on 16 March 2010
SnakeEyez said:
I don't think so, not yet anyways. The Xbox brand is only really strong in NA, the Playstation brand is known worldwide.


I would say yeah. But its mostly due to Sony's screw ups. They made mistakes that allowed Nintendo and MS trample over them.



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jarrod on 16 March 2010
huaxiong90 said:
jarrod said:
Hus said:
jarrod said:
Hus said:
DirtyP2002 said:

 

The only segment where MS is not as big as Sony are handhelds, because they are not in that business.

 

So in 1st party development they are equall ? and they both own equal amount of game franchises ? or they publish equal amount of games.

LMFAO

They have fewer internal studios and put out less games, but their 1st party games seemingly sell better at the same time.   It's just a different publishing philosophy (fewer games than sell better), one that Microsoft was pretty vocal about shifting to this gen.

As far as game franchises that MS owns though, they really do have a huge amount of popular legacy brands from Rare and various other studios that are going unused (Crimson Skies, Battletoads, Flight Simulator, Snake Rattle N' Roll, Age of Empires, Blast Corps, MechWarrior/Assault, Shadowrun, Killer instinct, Sabrewulf, Knight Lore, Rise of Nations, Starlancer, Conker, Black & White, R.C. Pro Am, Midtown Madness, PGR, Wizards & Warriors, Jet Force Gemini, etc, etc).  In that regard they may actually be comparable to Sony (who also has a lot of dormant brands).

Well what are these better selling games, and how mush better do they sale.  Just what are they, and come on like Sony does not have load of unused games franchises.

 

Well, Halo.  Nothing Sony's published in the past half decade even comes close.  Microsoft is pretty strong with secondary brands too, like Fable, Forza and (although not owned by them) Gears of War.  Sony release a LOT more content, but sales wise Microsoft's still even with them overall really.

And yeah, Sony has a TON of dormant brands.  Parappa / Lammy, Jumping Flash, WildARMs, Arc the Lad, Xai, Intelligent Qube, Jak, Alundra, Lemmings, Destruction Derby, Mark of the Kri, Dark Cloud, Popolocrois, Sly Cooper, Dropship, Omega Boost, Rally Cross, MediEvil, Motor Toon GP, SkyBlazer, Draken, Colony Wars, Shadow of the Beast, Discworld, etc, etc.  Lots of missed opportunities for both Sony and MS really imo. :/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gran_Turismo_4

Released in 2005.

 

If Microsoft sales were even with Sony overall, then they should always be in the weekly charts in the top 10 game publishers. And they're not.

 

I agree, though, Sony and Microsoft could really make good use of their old franchises.

lol, check your own link...

JP December 28, 2004
NA February 22, 2005
EU March 9, 2005

 

...all 3 of those dates would be over a "past half decade" (ie: 5 years). <3

Also, weekly charts aren't the whole picture.  No PC, no downloadables.



Hus on 16 March 2010
S.T.A.G.E. said:


Microsoft has actually games that are heavy name brands on top of having a mascot game being one of them. Uncharted isn't  a heavy name brand, Infamous isn't a name brand, Killzone isn't a name brand. All Sony has is MGS4 which is third party and GT still to this day is Sony's only first party baby and Jak and Daxter and Rachet and Clank are neither heavy name brands. Crash Bandicoot could've been a heavy name brand and a mascot if Sony didn't sabotage everything. Microsoft has Halo which has Master Chief as a company mascot and Gears of War with Marcus fenix quickly having his name become synonymous with the Xbox. Sony's only mascot character to tell you the truth is Snake and he's a third party character so it doesn't really count. Nintendo....that company has name brands up the yin yang....hence why SSMB was formed.

 

Honestly after readin that i concluded MS has nothing after Halo, MS has halo and that's all.

 



Hus on 16 March 2010
jarrod said:

lol, check your own link...

JP December 28, 2004
NA February 22, 2005
EU March 9, 2005

 

...all 3 of those dates would be over a "past half decade" (ie: 5 years). <3

Also, weekly charts aren't the whole picture.  No PC, no downloadables.

and we all know you said half decade only becaueyou want to comapre MS Sony with out including a Full GT, cause if you do GT takes away the HaLo argument and you got nothing. 

Its a well know strategy by Sony haters/360 supporters.  Disregard GT at all costs and champion Halo.



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DirtyP2002 on 16 March 2010
Hus said:
yo_john117 said:
 

They already do that.

And I don't know why everyone is looking into the past.  We are talking about right now, the past is water under the bridge.

Ok lets look at right now.

PS3 is out selling 360.

Sony hardware is 33.6% of the market, MS 13.9%

Sony is the 3rd highest selling publisher, MS does not even make top 10

Software sold on Sony hardware is 2.59 millon, on MS hardware 2.04 million.


since this is about MS vs Sony and not just PS3 vs Xbox 360, would you please consider Windows, Windows Mobile and Zune as well? These are platforms to sell software on as well... and somehow I think the 90 million PCs running Windows 7 might outsell every product Sony has ever created.



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M.U.G.E.N on 16 March 2010
DirtyP2002 said:
Hus said:
yo_john117 said:
 

They already do that.

And I don't know why everyone is looking into the past.  We are talking about right now, the past is water under the bridge.

Ok lets look at right now.

PS3 is out selling 360.

Sony hardware is 33.6% of the market, MS 13.9%

Sony is the 3rd highest selling publisher, MS does not even make top 10

Software sold on Sony hardware is 2.59 millon, on MS hardware 2.04 million.


since this is about MS vs Sony and not just PS3 vs Xbox 360, would you please consider Windows, Windows Mobile and Zune as well? These are platforms to sell software on as well... and somehow I think the 90 million PCs running Windows 7 might outsell every product Sony has ever created.

yeah I know right? Like an operating system = gaming hands down :P I mean seriosuly guys? come on now...what next? want to know how many SONY electronics, sony ericcson phones etc in the world as well? Please be more logical here

and just to clarify, MS makes it's money in the non game software business mainly through the corporate world, not casual



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youarebadatgames on 16 March 2010
Hus said:
youarebadatgames said:
Not having first parties for MS is a good thing, they specialize in building software and APIs. It's a better idea to lay a good foundation and let the third parties be an independent the creative force, rather than trying to purchase a large portfolio of studios and telling them what to do. MS is far superior to Sony on the developer side, which is why outside of Sony's first parties most companies choose MS as the lead console (superior tools, DirectX/XNA, better online integration/support).

The only downside is it leaves studios free to go multiplat, but given that their strategy has shown almost all multiplats to be superior on the 360 in performance and sales, it's paid off pretty well.

Cute, you got no clue wtf you are posting about.

Actually alot of Sony owned Studios have a great deal of atonomy, only the big Japan and London ones really get told and much of that is psn/home and tool kit development.  Might want to look at sales bud many multi plats sale better on PS3 and play better, this is not 2007.

 

http://www.vgchartz.com/worldtotals.php?name=&console=PS3&publisher=&genre=&minSales=0&results=50&sort=Total

http://www.vgchartz.com/worldtotals.php?name=&console=X360&publisher=&genre=&minSales=0&results=50&sort=Total

lol wut?  This is a sales site, it's easy to just look at the charts for multiplats and see most sell better on 360.  Funny you don't do anything to dispute the facts too - MS is superior on the development side and the multiplats sell better.  The best selling games on PS3 are multiplats, which are all outsold by their 360 counterparts.  It's easier to think of the games that sell better on PS3 cause you can probably count them on one hand.



Hus on 16 March 2010
DirtyP2002 said:
Hus said:
yo_john117 said:
 

They already do that.

And I don't know why everyone is looking into the past.  We are talking about right now, the past is water under the bridge.

Ok lets look at right now.

PS3 is out selling 360.

Sony hardware is 33.6% of the market, MS 13.9%

Sony is the 3rd highest selling publisher, MS does not even make top 10

Software sold on Sony hardware is 2.59 millon, on MS hardware 2.04 million.


since this is about MS vs Sony and not just PS3 vs Xbox 360, would you please consider Windows, Windows Mobile and Zune as well? These are platforms to sell software on as well... and somehow I think the 90 million PCs running Windows 7 might outsell every product Sony has ever created.

Ok how aboutVio laptops and SonyE phones.

I get you are desperatly backing 360, but you are looking very moranic right now.  SonyE sold 97 million phones in (2008 alone)



yo_john117 on 16 March 2010
Hus said:
yo_john117 said:
Hus said:
yo_john117 said:
 

MS as a whole aren't as big of a gaming company as Sony.  But 360 and PS3 are pretty dang close to each other in terms of hardware and software.

Look at the thread title. I see no PS3 or 360 in it. 

Cool, too bad i'm only talking about the PS3 vs the 360

Ok

PS3 is out selling 360, even while costing $100 more.
Next week PS3 software for the year will surpass 360s.
360 is losing its early launch lead.
Its lead in Europe has been eroded and now PS3 has out sold it there, wont even get into Japan.
PS3 is on 360 ass in 360 home market.
PS3 is doing all that with stock shortages and greater price.
Align launches and PS3 out sales the 360
PS3 is on a big up turn for some time now, 360 on a down turn.