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On DS not, on Wii they just get reborn and I dont care for the rest.

Unfortuantely, games like Scret of Mana or the Soulblazer-Triology arent around anymore....



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Jumpin said:
rocketpig said:
Jumpin said:
The top selling RPGs this generation are from Japan. The Dragon Quest series has hit new heights in the last few years in terms of sales.

Wha? The top selling console RPG list this generation is completely dominated by western developers. I'm pretty sure that's what the OP is talking about (hence his mention of FF and LO).

Dragon Quest 9 - 4.22 million sold

Dragon Quest 6 DS 1.26M

Dragon Quest 5 DS 1.33M

Dragon Quest 4 DS - 1.38M

Dragon Quest Monsters: Joker - 1.72M

Dragon Quest Rocket Slime - 420K

Now which Western RPG franchise has sold more than 10 million in the past few years? How many have exceeded 4.22 million? (and that's not even the top selling JRPG this gen).

 

EDIT: I don't mean for this post to read as conflictual as it may.

And those are DS games. I should have mentioned more strongly that JRPGs are still doing quite well on handhelds, which was part of my point. Between rising dev costs on consoles and the Japanese market shying away from consoles, what has always been a niche market (excluding DQ and FF), JRPGs have never been big sellers compared to other genres, which have only gained in popularity (ten years ago, who would have predicted a 10m-selling shooter?) and started outpacing JRPG sales.

Like I said earlier, the genre has stagnated while the rest of the industry has grown. Its future in on handhelds.




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you guys do realize that the HD consoles top sellers are at the start PC games right? (FPS and WRPG...)

That is what is wrong with JRPGs, consoles have turned into casual friendly gaming PCs, the market for traditional console games has thus shifted to handhelds.... cause developpers have no faith in the wii...



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psrock said:
Besides FF, what were those big JRPGS in the past?

That's my point. People act as if JRPGs were selling machines when that was NEVER the case. Sales have held steady for the genre while other genres have continued to improve on their sales numbers. 500k in sales was great on a PSX because the dev could make money. That is no longer the case on the 360/PS3 and developers are moving to where money can still be made, handhelds.

Besides, with the limited interface options and abiliites of handhelds, JRPGs are a perfect fit. They don' t need twitch systems to work and are generally slow-paced experiences with limited player interaction with the game.




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Dying? Not really. Do note that early in a system's life, there usually are fewer RPGs due to the time it takes to make one. Looking at the release schedule, there are quite a few still being worked on; Wii will be getting things like The Last Story and Tales of Graces, and PS3 will still be seeing things like 3D-Dot Game Heroes. And I'm sure there are more unannounced ones, too.

This isn't to say that I think part of the JRPG category isn't sickly. "Graphics are everything" Final Fantasy has raised the bar- perhaps too much, causing a detriment to some sales. (Not to mention the fact that people will expect Squeenix to keep topping this bar, even for non-FF games.) Other games from other publishers are trying to mimic their western counterparts. I think that the focus on JRPGs has shifted considerably, and this is leaving some JRPG fans feeling alienated, also leading to lower sales. I think that if they go back to focusing on the story and challenge, without taking away the exploration that some of them have done, they could see another slight uptick in sales. But yes, RPGs have always been a niche. It really comes down to keeping costs under control, Squeenix's budgets I feel have gone out of control, and some of the people wowed in by FF's graphics are expecting stuff that simply costs too much for most RPGs.

Now, if we look at portables, they're thriving. The "graphics" FF don't exist here, so the pressure for an "ooh, wow" game is severely reduced. Budgets stay in check, games are easier to profit on, and more can be made. Not to mention that these systems are also older- more time has been alloted to them, and thus, the time needed to make the RPGs has already passed. So they can come out, and reuse the engine to continue making games.



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they're already dead. lol



YES i think they are!

they are moveing much to much into action... everything is... not a bad thing BUT we should celebrate a game like lost odssey when goes back to the roots of a game.



You know, I bet a high-def Parasite Eve would do really well in this market. That game ditched many of the typical JRPG themes (which many Western fans have started to turn their backs on) and had a really fresh feel to it.

Plus, it's old enough where I bet several supposed JRPG fans haven't even played it. On the other hand, it's the exact type of game that would renew my faith in Square and JRPGs as a whole.




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z101 said:
twesterm said:
On consoles, yes. Games like Final Fantasy are actually to blame since they raise the bar impossibly high.

??? Almost all JRPG-Fans don't like FF13. It's a dumbed down JRPG for Casuals.

By the Way the Wii gets many interesting JRPGs in the near future, let's see how good they will be (Arc Rise Fantasia, Fragile Dreams, The Last Story, Xenoblade) and their sales.

It may be a dumbed down RPG, but it sets a gaphics bar that people will now expect.

Every time a new JRPG comes out on consoles one thing that will always be said is that well in relation to Final Fantasy on the graphics....

If the developer doesn't have the budget, then it won't get those FF fans who think they're JRPG fans because they will say well in relation to Final Fantasy on the graphics, it sucks.

If the developer does make it look as good as FFXIII, they still won't get the FF fans who think they're RPG fans because it's not FF and they will never be able to sell enough copies to make that money back.

Final Fantasy has pretty much killed the console JRPG.  People expect too much of them now.



Not dying in Japan,but, in America/Others they might be.