This is what I think most people have a problem with.  At least it's the only thing that bothers me. 

I really do think Sony stooped lower than low with this "move"  but also having a Ps3, Im going to buy the move controllers and software.  I will also buy Natal stuff.  I really dig motion control gaming. 

Good thread, but I think many have the problem of "would they do the same for us?" which is a reasonable notion. Of course, you do the right thing all the time, not if it will be returned, but most have issue with that. I know a lot of people who are encouraging this thread, probably would take the same mentality had it been flipped around.

Personally, when it comes to Move, I'm intrigued by it, and more than likely will be getting it, but I am a little annoyed and rather cautious as to the success of it because of the lack of the "sony identity" on the product. Not because it is a "clone" but because they have nothing to really separate it from the rest.

Indeed, it is a good thing for the industry to keep moving in this direction for Nintendo, but the industry needs to progress, not stay stale. One of the reasons the "casual" market has had issues on Wii and DS, is because they are all simply trying to imitate the games Nintendo have created rather than take that next step forward (similar problems in the market in general actually). That is what would really be good for the advancement of the motion sensing market, but it is good that Sony is willing to put research and development into this and future products of the same kind.

So yes, Nintendo fans need to lighten up on Move and Sony fans. It's not about if they would have done the same for you, nor is it about some of the blaring hypocrisy in their words or notions. The point is, this is overall good for the industry and good for the future of what Nintendo is trying to accomplish. Now with competition, this will push Nintendo (and the rest) to make better games and advance the motion sensing market.

For my part, i understand the outrage, especially if this is referring to that "beg for mercy" thread from yesterday. The tone of some of that thread was definitely wrong, though i fully support the airing of Sony's hypocrisy for all to see

Part of the problem right here is blaming this on "Nintendo fans," when it's really just a few individuals. The other half of the problem was that individuals were taking the argument too far in either direction. Sony was perfectly natural to be as hypocritical as they have been, considering we're talking about the words from PR mouthpieces who will make any case that the real company planners tell them they have to make, so its a bit irresponsible of people to try and be all "what now, Sony" but i think it was equally irresponsible of others to come out of the woodwork with these ridiculous arguments revolving around R&D expos of Sony technology from the past

I think a big reason there was so many posts is because PS fans kept posting videos of a green ball to say they were firts in motions and that it wasn't defeat....

the other thing people were angry at is sony for dissing the motion controls for 3 years and then give us a.... wiimote, with wii sports non the less...

What I understood from nintendo's comment is that they are disapointed because the competition has jumped the ship mid gen and not at the end of the gen. Both move and Natal will split the userbase of the console... basicaly being the equivalent of having 2 consoles out at the same time.

This is not admitting defeat. Admitting defeat is starting work on the next console with the said improvements. There they are trying to regain market share to be able to say "look we got the sales, we didn't fail after all", all this at the expense of the quality delivered to the customers.

oh and I watched invictus last night... strangly this OP makes me think of it (change your avatar to mandela.... like that others can steal james!! =D )

A good and well written thread which was needed. Will it be able to make people stop such behavior? Dunno but hope so :)

well, I can understand many people take offense in the "hypocrisy", but really .. if you aren't a hypocrite in some way you most likely aren't human

We can also laugh at the current way in which they are presenting their motion (fnark). It is pretty funny. But good sentiment Ampoid.

  Depends on what you mean by capitalise. We'll see in the next few months whether you are right (on your meaning)