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souixan on 19 November 2007
Passenger57 said:

I'm somewhat new to gaming, but it just seems that in every website Mass Effect has got a good review. Yet most of the people that go to these sites seem to be looking for it to be a bad review, even though Bioware, and Bugie for that matter seem to have almost never put out a bad product, based on what I've seen on there track records. I know that just not liking a certain type of game based on opinion is a small part of it, but it just seem so clockwork.

Please discuss with me, What's with all the hate?!? If these posters were true gamers, why not be happy and get these good games.

Please don't burn me (It's my first topic).


for Halo... it's because everybody is sick of hearing how Halo is some amazing game that does everything right and if God were to come to earth this is what he'd buy. It's just not true, Halo is a competent game but it isn't the savior of everything it isn't some blessing that all us gamers wait anxiously for.

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omgwtfbbq on 19 November 2007
rocketpig said:
omgwtfbbq said:

I obviously also missed the part where all Nintendo games have a bad story! Perhaps you only played Mario because there are plenty of story driven games made by Nintendo (Zelda, Fire Emblem, Advance Wars, Paper Mario). You've of course, probably never played these games because you don't like Nintendo games. Good for you. It's still closed minded.


In all fairness, the story-driven Nintendo games usually involve Nintendo taking the same story and driving it straight into the ground. They re-tell the same story over and over again.

That's not to say I don't love them but it's hardly innovative stuff.

really? I find the story in Fire Emblem to be quite different to Zelda, to Advance Wars, etc. You have to remember that story telling is not exactly a very innovative art, especially in video games. I wouldn't call Nintendo pioneers in story telling, but they're definitely not the worst out there.

 



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Legend11 on 19 November 2007
omgwtfbbq said:
I obviously also missed the part where all Nintendo games have a bad story! Perhaps you only played Mario because there are plenty of story driven games made by Nintendo (Zelda, Fire Emblem, Advance Wars, Paper Mario). You've of course, probably never played these games because you don't like Nintendo games. Good for you. It's still closed minded.

The Gamecube I own and the N64 I did own say different.  I gave Nintendo's games a chance, I loved them a lot during the NES era but I grew up and my tastes changed.  And I stand by my statement about poor storylines, it's basically Nintendo's biggest weakness when it comes to games.  There's a reason why there're no decent movies based on Nintendo's games and why Hollywood isn't trying to get the film rights to their games when they're released.



mrstickball on 19 November 2007

What about the Super Mario Brothers movie? It was brilliant. It rivaled the intelligence, and wit of Street Fighter: The Movie.



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Ninlenbox on 19 November 2007

HALO 3 SUCKS! I wasted 60 on a piece of garbage.



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Ninlenbox on 19 November 2007

HALO 3 SUCKS! I wasted 60 on a piece of garbage.



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Picko on 19 November 2007
omgwtfbbq said:
rocketpig said:
omgwtfbbq said:

I obviously also missed the part where all Nintendo games have a bad story! Perhaps you only played Mario because there are plenty of story driven games made by Nintendo (Zelda, Fire Emblem, Advance Wars, Paper Mario). You've of course, probably never played these games because you don't like Nintendo games. Good for you. It's still closed minded.


In all fairness, the story-driven Nintendo games usually involve Nintendo taking the same story and driving it straight into the ground. They re-tell the same story over and over again.

That's not to say I don't love them but it's hardly innovative stuff.

really? I find the story in Fire Emblem to be quite different to Zelda, to Advance Wars, etc. You have to remember that story telling is not exactly a very innovative art, especially in video games. I wouldn't call Nintendo pioneers in story telling, but they're definitely not the worst out there.

 


 

At the same time however Nintendo's storytelling is relatively mediocre compared to the Konami's and Bioware's of the world. I don't think its unreasonable to not like Nintendo games if one's primary concern is a games storytelling.

 
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rocketpig on 19 November 2007
omgwtfbbq said:
rocketpig said:

In all fairness, the story-driven Nintendo games usually involve Nintendo taking the same story and driving it straight into the ground. They re-tell the same story over and over again.

That's not to say I don't love them but it's hardly innovative stuff.

really? I find the story in Fire Emblem to be quite different to Zelda, to Advance Wars, etc. You have to remember that story telling is not exactly a very innovative art, especially in video games. I wouldn't call Nintendo pioneers in story telling, but they're definitely not the worst out there.

 


I'm not saying their stories are the same through all franchises, more that the next Zelda game will be like the last, the next Mario game like the last, the next SPM like the last SPM, etc. They retell the same story over and over again within the same franchise.




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Ari_Gold on 19 November 2007
mrstickball said:
Sigh. Let me take the side of the anti-hyped games, and such.


I think with any game, it comes down to a few sensibilities about a given game:

With an ultra-highly rated, revolutionary game in a given genre that someone loves (ie, a WRPG fan being madly in love with Mass Effect, or a FPS person liking Halo 3 and Bioshock), we have come to have a deep-rooted respect for the given game.

So when someone dissents out of personal opinion, it attacks our strong feelings about our enjoyment of a game. Millions of people spend vastly more time on Halo 3 than probably every single Wii game combined around the world. Yet despite that, Halo 3 isn't the be-all end-all of games. It has it's flaws, but also has a great multiplayer environment. However, not everyone likes that.

Mass Effect is the same way. It has a ton of shooter elements in it. Approaching Mass Effect, I have always been leary of the idea of adding too much TPS elements, and muddying the waters of what a quality RPG is. Now, in my case, I'm trying to get beyond that (ie, an elongated Gears of War with quests). However, for some, they cannot get beyond that, as it stabs their beloved Final Fantasy, and such in the back.


I've experienced something just as heinous: all the Blue Dragon bashing. It's a near-flawless gem of a Japanese RPG. Nearly perfect in every way, backed by a rabid fanbase of owners that realize how truely awesome this RPG is. Despite this, it's had bad reviews (77% avg), and alot of stupid bashing from these forums. Does it make me mad? Of course it does, expecially when idiots attack it that don't realize that they're missing out on a Dragon Quest and/or Final Fantasy-level RPG.

But then I realize: it really shouldn't matter what other's think. The people that bash these games DO NOT OWN A 360. Not only that, they'll never buy one: they're too stupid to do that. Because of that, I can't worry. They are just going to have to miss out on the fantastic library of games that they'd probably love if they got off their N-tard or Sonyfan rockers, and tried the library. Likewise, I am sure I miss a few great Wii games with my bias to the X360.

That's just life. Get over it. The X360, from reviewers, is the king of quality gaming. If the 60% of people on this forum that consider the Wii the best system of the next gen's + handhelds want to ignore and bash the X360, that's fine. I'm the one laughing because I haven't had a video game drought since the X360 launched. They have had to trudge through crap game after crap game thrown at them.

So in the end, I smile. I get Mass Effect, they don't. And that's the sweetest victory: denying your enemy a chance to enjoy themselves as they play Mario Party 8 and their Boogie-esque games while I enjoy Sakaguchi and Mass Effect.

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OnlyIsrael on 19 November 2007
ssj12 said:
OnlyIsrael said:
Because people love to hate. "Hey look at me! I'm different, I hate something millions of people like! They're all idiots and I'm a Freaking genious! Look ,me, hey, look!!" Bah, its the same story with anything that allot people like. There's a group of people out there that want/need to be different for whatever reason and they make it a point to be as loud and obnoxious about it as possible. They believe this makes there argument more valid; plus its attention and apparently more is never enough.

No sorry, Its called not liking the game. Have you ever heard of that before?

I hate World of Warcrack but 10+ million people love it. Thats their choice. I dislike the game.

I dislike halo. I love the FPS genre. I know that there are way better games. Halo does nothing revolutionary.

Mass effect - looks to much like a cross between an RPG and a shooter. Just doesnt look interesting as a FF game or DQ game or Paper Mario game.

I could go on but you get the picture. Its not that we was attention we just prefer better games. I'll take good old Command and Conquer Red Alert 2 over Mass Effect any day. =]

 

PS I hate Microsoft suing all open source mediums. Thats my Mircosoft Hate.


Actually, I think I get the "picture" pretty good; just not the one you're painting. Your bias is just that, yours. You might not like the game but that doesn’t mean that everything you say about it is a fact. "Halo does nothing revolutionary def=adj. revolutionary refers to something that has a major, sudden impact on society or on some aspect of human endeavor. Tell me one game that is if not the one that had the largest entertainment release in history.

In short, thanks for proving my point with gloriously bad analogies and bias enough to laugh at. Paper Mario should have changed their ad campaign “Revolutionary”. That’s just plain awesome.

P.S. This thread was about "haters" not people with a differing opinion