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A Bad Clown on 10 March 2010

He's actually right about it. It only does everything, that a Wiimote can do.



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letsdance on 10 March 2010
binary solo said:
Yeah well I don't rate Natal or Arc as a high chance of success this gen. It's a bit far through the generation for 3rd parties to be willing to take big risks on a peripheral will be doing well to achieve a 25% attach rate. Though I certainly hope they get sufficient support to become a pack in item from the beginning of the next generation. Then Sony and MS motion controls will get the right amount of support.


Actually this gives 3rd parties a chance to take less risks in development through making a quick port to the ps3 and reducing the amount of sales to break even. Same concept as the ports for the HD consoles. I'm not sure if it would work with Natal though but MS would probablly fund those 3rd party projects anyway.

stof said:
I love that he can get a question like this

GS: Why did the idea of having motion controls come about now? What pushed you to head in this direction?

And give an answer other than "The Wii... duh" while maintaining a straight face.

Anyways, the arc sure does look fantastic in what it can do.

The "arc" has been in development since the Ps2 eye toy... Long before Nintendo announced the Wii... Maybe they decided to implement the controls faster than they would have normally judging by the Wii's success but the Wii did NOT give them the idea for motion control.

yanamaster said:
Sony fans and Sony itself are beginning to show hypocrisy in their full form.

Prove it. Just because one Sony fan doesn't want motion and a few are excited about it doesn't mean the are hypocrites. Learn what a hypocrite is. I for one am still not interested in this Arc and I know a few who have maintained that stance as well. Seriously, its fucking annoying as hell when you say shit like this.

 

Only 2 pages in and some ridiculous posts already. Im done with this thread.



Strike24 on 10 March 2010
RVDondaPC said:
bazmeistergen said:
RVDondaPC said:
bazmeistergen said:
RVDondaPC said:
dano said:
"There's really no limit with the types of game that the Motion Controller can enhance. Nothing currently on the market delivers an innovative experience that's intuitive for casual gamers and engaging for hardcore fans, and that's the opportunity the PS3 Motion Controller will fulfill."

he said that like the wii does not exists.

Well to be fair there is nothing really on the Wii for hardcore gamers only hardcore Nintendo fans and casuals.. But I guess that all could be argued as opinion anyways.

There's something for everyone on the machine I think. It just takes playing the right game. There's something for everyone on all the machines.

well yes there is something for everyone on every console, but there is not everything for someone on any other console, and that's what This guy from Sony is trying to say. That's what makes it different.


  No, I mean there is something for everyone on each machine. More than enough for any individual if they look and experiment. To say otherwise is close-minded. There's so many games on each system that every user is catered for. I'm serious.

The Wii has 'hardcore' (meaning teenage-twenty-something males in actuality) games such as Call of Duty, Monster Hunter, Metroid, Zelda, Resident Evil 4, Red Steel 2, Silent Hill, Tatsunoko vs Capcom, No More Heroes and its sequel, Cursed Mountain, Godfather, Scarface, Bully and so on. All good to excellent games that appeal to that market. The hardcore gamer segment is a myth of young nerdy, online men that seek to explain why games sell on PS3 and Xbox that have yet not sold marvellously on Wii.  The reason being poor effort, poor marketing and a lack of that casual and internet gaming obsessive young male consumers. Those games exist on Wii, perhaps without the technological flair, but the basic gameplay is there and is there with some unique and engaging controls. Like I said there is something for all on it, but perhaps not the numbers of titles that are found elsewhere. After all, the Wii is better at catering for older males, younger males and females than the other two consoles, but they, too, have some games for those segments.

I don't know have you played Uncharted 2, Killzone 2, Heavy Rain, GOWIII Demo, or the Call Of Duty Games?? I don't think there is anything remotely close to that on the Wii. There are good games that I could enjoy but there is not every type of experience I want on the wii. The Wii can't make those types of games because their hardware is limiting. And that's the point. If I was going to buy a wii and be happy with it and say there are enough great games for me to play I might as well stick with just playing on the PS2 or my PS1 from back in the day or the first Nintendo. But what the PS3 offers, experiences that the Wii cannot offer or has not offered. 

Could you imagine playing UC2 with the Arc? How about GoW? No one would want to play a game like those with an attachment like the Arc.

Motion sensors do well with casuals. Casuals love gimmicks. However, there's many hardcore gamers that would rather have a controller in their hands rather than a gimmick that they have to get used to. It's a completely different demographic when you're aiming with new technology.

Don't expect UC3 to use the Arc in other words. Or any of these hardcore games you mentioned. Even if they have the function, well over 90% of the consumers will just stick with the controller they already have anyway.



maximus22 on 10 March 2010
red_dragon said:
They have to put a strap on the wand because there will be no way I am going to try to spin the wand in front of my tv.


Strap on?  It's not that kind of wand guttermind.  ;)



Netyaroze on 10 March 2010
Strike24 said:
RVDondaPC said:
bazmeistergen said:
RVDondaPC said:
bazmeistergen said:
RVDondaPC said:
dano said:
"There's really no limit with the types of game that the Motion Controller can enhance. Nothing currently on the market delivers an innovative experience that's intuitive for casual gamers and engaging for hardcore fans, and that's the opportunity the PS3 Motion Controller will fulfill."

he said that like the wii does not exists.

Well to be fair there is nothing really on the Wii for hardcore gamers only hardcore Nintendo fans and casuals.. But I guess that all could be argued as opinion anyways.

There's something for everyone on the machine I think. It just takes playing the right game. There's something for everyone on all the machines.

well yes there is something for everyone on every console, but there is not everything for someone on any other console, and that's what This guy from Sony is trying to say. That's what makes it different.


  No, I mean there is something for everyone on each machine. More than enough for any individual if they look and experiment. To say otherwise is close-minded. There's so many games on each system that every user is catered for. I'm serious.

The Wii has 'hardcore' (meaning teenage-twenty-something males in actuality) games such as Call of Duty, Monster Hunter, Metroid, Zelda, Resident Evil 4, Red Steel 2, Silent Hill, Tatsunoko vs Capcom, No More Heroes and its sequel, Cursed Mountain, Godfather, Scarface, Bully and so on. All good to excellent games that appeal to that market. The hardcore gamer segment is a myth of young nerdy, online men that seek to explain why games sell on PS3 and Xbox that have yet not sold marvellously on Wii.  The reason being poor effort, poor marketing and a lack of that casual and internet gaming obsessive young male consumers. Those games exist on Wii, perhaps without the technological flair, but the basic gameplay is there and is there with some unique and engaging controls. Like I said there is something for all on it, but perhaps not the numbers of titles that are found elsewhere. After all, the Wii is better at catering for older males, younger males and females than the other two consoles, but they, too, have some games for those segments.

I don't know have you played Uncharted 2, Killzone 2, Heavy Rain, GOWIII Demo, or the Call Of Duty Games?? I don't think there is anything remotely close to that on the Wii. There are good games that I could enjoy but there is not every type of experience I want on the wii. The Wii can't make those types of games because their hardware is limiting. And that's the point. If I was going to buy a wii and be happy with it and say there are enough great games for me to play I might as well stick with just playing on the PS2 or my PS1 from back in the day or the first Nintendo. But what the PS3 offers, experiences that the Wii cannot offer or has not offered. 

Could you imagine playing UC2 with the Arc? How about GoW? No one would want to play a game like those with an attachment like the Arc.

Motion sensors do well with casuals. Casuals love gimmicks. However, there's many hardcore gamers that would rather have a controller in their hands rather than a gimmick that they have to get used to. It's a completely different demographic when you're aiming with new technology.

Don't expect UC3 to use the Arc in other words. Or any of these hardcore games you mentioned. Even if they have the function, well over 90% of the consumers will just stick with the controller they already have anyway.

 

 

Killzone 3 will use Arc.

 

Mario galaxy had great controls I can imagine that this could work for Uncharted also somehow.



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Demotruk on 10 March 2010

I have to say, the stuff in that video was cool. Now Sony just has to deliver the software for me (and the expanded audience, if they want to really compete with the Wii).



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Grimes on 10 March 2010

The problem for Sony and MS is that the majority of their user base probably won't have the motion control technology. Most games will be designed to use the traditional control methods with motion controls as an add on.



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letsdance on 10 March 2010
Grimes said:
The problem for Sony and MS is that the majority of their user base probably won't have the motion control technology. Most games will be designed to use the traditional control methods with motion controls as an add on.


I agree. Thats why making a title like Halo or Uncharted for motion would be sending them to their death. This will be for multiplats and mini games I say.



RVDondaPC on 10 March 2010
Strike24 said:
RVDondaPC said:
bazmeistergen said:
RVDondaPC said:
bazmeistergen said:
RVDondaPC said:
dano said:
"There's really no limit with the types of game that the Motion Controller can enhance. Nothing currently on the market delivers an innovative experience that's intuitive for casual gamers and engaging for hardcore fans, and that's the opportunity the PS3 Motion Controller will fulfill."

he said that like the wii does not exists.

Well to be fair there is nothing really on the Wii for hardcore gamers only hardcore Nintendo fans and casuals.. But I guess that all could be argued as opinion anyways.

There's something for everyone on the machine I think. It just takes playing the right game. There's something for everyone on all the machines.

well yes there is something for everyone on every console, but there is not everything for someone on any other console, and that's what This guy from Sony is trying to say. That's what makes it different.


  No, I mean there is something for everyone on each machine. More than enough for any individual if they look and experiment. To say otherwise is close-minded. There's so many games on each system that every user is catered for. I'm serious.

The Wii has 'hardcore' (meaning teenage-twenty-something males in actuality) games such as Call of Duty, Monster Hunter, Metroid, Zelda, Resident Evil 4, Red Steel 2, Silent Hill, Tatsunoko vs Capcom, No More Heroes and its sequel, Cursed Mountain, Godfather, Scarface, Bully and so on. All good to excellent games that appeal to that market. The hardcore gamer segment is a myth of young nerdy, online men that seek to explain why games sell on PS3 and Xbox that have yet not sold marvellously on Wii.  The reason being poor effort, poor marketing and a lack of that casual and internet gaming obsessive young male consumers. Those games exist on Wii, perhaps without the technological flair, but the basic gameplay is there and is there with some unique and engaging controls. Like I said there is something for all on it, but perhaps not the numbers of titles that are found elsewhere. After all, the Wii is better at catering for older males, younger males and females than the other two consoles, but they, too, have some games for those segments.

I don't know have you played Uncharted 2, Killzone 2, Heavy Rain, GOWIII Demo, or the Call Of Duty Games?? I don't think there is anything remotely close to that on the Wii. There are good games that I could enjoy but there is not every type of experience I want on the wii. The Wii can't make those types of games because their hardware is limiting. And that's the point. If I was going to buy a wii and be happy with it and say there are enough great games for me to play I might as well stick with just playing on the PS2 or my PS1 from back in the day or the first Nintendo. But what the PS3 offers, experiences that the Wii cannot offer or has not offered. 

Could you imagine playing UC2 with the Arc? How about GoW? No one would want to play a game like those with an attachment like the Arc.

Motion sensors do well with casuals. Casuals love gimmicks. However, there's many hardcore gamers that would rather have a controller in their hands rather than a gimmick that they have to get used to. It's a completely different demographic when you're aiming with new technology.

Don't expect UC3 to use the Arc in other words. Or any of these hardcore games you mentioned. Even if they have the function, well over 90% of the consumers will just stick with the controller they already have anyway.

I wasn't saying those games would use the ARC(Though I think GOW would make an amazing ARC game) I'm saying that the PS3 as a console can offer those type of experiences that the Wii can't. 



Garnett on 10 March 2010

Few games really uses Six Axis which was supposed to compete with the Wii, but instead they go with a full blown Wii Mote Knock off (Not trolling its true), Why would this be any different? (Same with natal, no one uses the Xbox Vision bullshit)



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