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llewdebkram on 08 March 2010
epicurean said:
llewdebkram said:
epicurean said:
Please people, if you are seeing malware attempts right now, report them to ioi. I am getting them but no one else seems to be, which makes me look pretty sketchy. Please don't just complain about it happening, let ioi know!

I think it's been like that throughout this sites entire life.

Some people are getting warnings of malicious code when visiting this site but others are getting nothing but presuming it must be because the user getting infected is visiting porn or torrent sites.

I don't know enough about exploits in ads but are they able to specifically attack certain vulnerabilities on specific users PCs and from specific IP addresses?

 


Well the people getting the warnings need to say something or he can't do anything about it or figure out which ad agency it is. 

It does sound like different countries do get different ads and, yes, there can be malicious code that only affects some OS/browsers depending on the vulnarbilities in that software.  Speaking of which, I think my IE8 might have a couple updates...I should do that now...

To be fair to the users that have previously had problems, a lot of people have said things, including me, but all our previous efforts have fallen on deaf ears.

Which is why I now use ad block.

I'll only put up with so much before I take the action I need to exclusively help me.



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superchunk on 08 March 2010
ioi said:

 IF we were to move to a system (at our cost) whereby we could guarantee 100% that all ads will be totally safe, then how could anybody complain if we started to block users who used an ad blocker - especially if we also create the option of browsing the site ad-free at a small monthly cost.

Surely that would be a situation that nobody could legitimately complain about?

I would be fine with this and would agree to turn off ad blocker plus for this site as I really do see value in this site.

However, why did you ignore my post regarding the once existing donate button and/or the better promotion of the amazon shop feature?



gamelover2000 on 08 March 2010

I have all your ads unblocked :) hope that made your day :)


it doesnt? :( well noone is perfect! :(



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Kantor on 08 March 2010
Wonktonodi said:
Kantor said:
Wonktonodi said:
There are numerous options. One would be a race of seeing who can make adds that can't be blocked vs who can block adds. Another is making other sources of revenue a bigger part of the revenue. You could just block the people from viewing the site but even in that regard it takes time and effort to do that as well, plus it could create some bad will. Another is keeping the site simpler, you had many volunteers before I'm sure you could get plenty again no one made you pay them.

The whole idea though of blocking being stealing is a tough argument. You made choices that had it that adds pay you by being seen and not just having them advertise on the site based on the number of visitors. Your choices of how you choose to set the site up let that be possible, maybe adds pay better of some type of another. I'm sure the ones that swell up and block out the page pay better than others but they also annoy people more. Maybe simpler adds wouldn't pay as much but if you don't have to worry about it being blocked it might be worth it. You took the risks by choosing certain types of adds one that is more risky. Is it stealing that people can block them or just the consequences of the risk you took? A lower income add that couldn't be blocked wouldn't make as much but you wouldn't loose anything since they couldn't be blocked.

Once you've started paying somebody, you can't stop. And we're not paid any huge amount.

no you can't stop paying those who are already paid.  but you can fire them and get new volenteers and it might not be a huge amount but it can add up over several people.

You're really saying that ioi should fire all 10 of his paid admins and 20 of his paid contributors and hire new volunteers because people don't feel like paying?



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Khuutra on 08 March 2010
Kantor said:
Wonktonodi said:
Kantor said:

Once you've started paying somebody, you can't stop. And we're not paid any huge amount.

no you can't stop paying those who are already paid.  but you can fire them and get new volenteers and it might not be a huge amount but it can add up over several people.

You're really saying that ioi should fire all 10 of his paid admins and 20 of his paid contributors and hire new volunteers because people don't feel like paying?

When the hell did they start PAYING you people?



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Kantor on 08 March 2010
Khuutra said:
Kantor said:
Wonktonodi said:
Kantor said:

Once you've started paying somebody, you can't stop. And we're not paid any huge amount.

no you can't stop paying those who are already paid.  but you can fire them and get new volenteers and it might not be a huge amount but it can add up over several people.

You're really saying that ioi should fire all 10 of his paid admins and 20 of his paid contributors and hire new volunteers because people don't feel like paying?

When the hell did they start PAYING you people?

Around the time you quit



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Khuutra on 08 March 2010
Kantor said:
Khuutra said:
Kantor said:

You're really saying that ioi should fire all 10 of his paid admins and 20 of his paid contributors and hire new volunteers because people don't feel like paying?

When the hell did they start PAYING you people?

Around the time you quit

I didn't-....

But...!

RAAAAAAAAGH



oldschoolfool on 08 March 2010

Sorry ioi,I'll continue to block ad's. their annoying and I don't trust them. I understand that you got to make money,but I'm not going to take a chance on my computer.



oldschoolfool on 08 March 2010
ioi said:
cdude1034 said:

this site cannot survive without the community. Conversely, the community can survive without the site - we can just move to a new site.

You assume that VGChartz is just a forum and ignore all the other aspects that make up the site. The fact that there are normally 4-5 times as many guests as members on the site should show you that VGChartz is more of a passive site than an active site like Facebook or a forum. I don't see the survival of VGChartz as being dependant on the forum community - as great as the community is, the forums are just one small part of the whole VGChartz business.

What seems to be emerging here is a power struggle. "Hey, i've been on this site for years, I post loads and helped to build this site - you should be greatful to me and let me do what I want!" That's fantastic, and I'm certainly greatful that you've stuck with VGChartz and enjoyed coming here but at the end of the day we've provided the service to you, not the other way round!! We're creating, running, hosting and managing the site so that you can come here and post in the forum and chat about your topics of interest. We provide a service and in return we ask users to pay for that service in some way. I don't believe that is unreasonable, whether you've been on the site for 4 seconds or 4 years.

If a restriction on users with adblockers were to cause a small amount of people to take it personally and leave then that's your loss at the end of the day but if you feel unwilling to support a site that you have visited and used with such regularity then I'm afraid it wouldn't be a great loss to VGChartz.


are you sure it would be a small amount?I think you should consider a free/premium model. I also think you should consider a way in which user's could make a small donation. There's other ways of doing this,rather than blocking user's that use adblocker's. I think simply doing that would be arrogant on your part. I would even consider paying a monthly membership,if you gave access to every piece of data colletion tools,that you had. I don't mean no disrespect,but I think your approaching this the wrong way. Thanks for the this great site regardless.



the2bears on 08 March 2010

What's the solution for a) those blocking JavaScript for security reasons, and b) poorly written Flash/JavaScript ads that start using up clock cycles and have huge memory leaks? These are real reasons, never mind how long it takes a site inundated with ads to load. I love how this is painted as "damage" and such. There are very legitimate reasons for running something like NoScript.



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