TheRealMafoo said: Akvod said: Seece said: Akvod said: Seece said: dunno001 said: Well, I understand the point of gay parades: to remind others that we're still here, and that we're not going away. There are still quite a few people (and groups) that would love to happily pretend that we don't exist, or that we'll all just shut up and let them repress us. So, needless to say, I think the concept of a gay parade is good. My problem with them is how they so frequently play into the stereotypes which not all of us fit. Reminding people that we still exist: good. Getting up in their faces and being aggressive about it, which is how most parades seem to do this: bad. I'm more a fan of subdued reminders- we're still here, but we're also normal people, just like you. These flashy, over-the-top parades really do make us seem like a second kind of race at times... Pretty much sums it up for me, I think they do no favours for homophobia, only fuel it further. They're normally full of camp men which I despise as well .. When I made the same argument months ago, why did you antagonize and argue with me then? Because you probably tried to be annoying like you normally do. That sure is a mature attitude. Something I expect from a contributor who tells others to "shutup", dismisses the opinions of others by saying "LOL" or "You're annoying". I got a "Dumbest thing I've ever heard." a few days ago, so don't beat yourself up over it. My guess is this is just a topic he is very sensitive about, so anyone says anything about it that could be taken wrong, he assumes that's what you meant.

What you said was the dubest thing I ever heard. And Akvod I have a blue name, doesn't mean I have to be some upstanding citizen and a saint, you do try and flamebait people and be annoying, so expect to be given short shrift from people.

Seece said: TheRealMafoo said: Akvod said: Seece said: Akvod said: Seece said: dunno001 said: Well, I understand the point of gay parades: to remind others that we're still here, and that we're not going away. There are still quite a few people (and groups) that would love to happily pretend that we don't exist, or that we'll all just shut up and let them repress us. So, needless to say, I think the concept of a gay parade is good. My problem with them is how they so frequently play into the stereotypes which not all of us fit. Reminding people that we still exist: good. Getting up in their faces and being aggressive about it, which is how most parades seem to do this: bad. I'm more a fan of subdued reminders- we're still here, but we're also normal people, just like you. These flashy, over-the-top parades really do make us seem like a second kind of race at times... Pretty much sums it up for me, I think they do no favours for homophobia, only fuel it further. They're normally full of camp men which I despise as well .. When I made the same argument months ago, why did you antagonize and argue with me then? Because you probably tried to be annoying like you normally do. That sure is a mature attitude. Something I expect from a contributor who tells others to "shutup", dismisses the opinions of others by saying "LOL" or "You're annoying". I got a "Dumbest thing I've ever heard." a few days ago, so don't beat yourself up over it. My guess is this is just a topic he is very sensitive about, so anyone says anything about it that could be taken wrong, he assumes that's what you meant. What you said was the dubest thing I ever heard. And Akvod I have a blue name, doesn't mean I have to be some upstanding citizen and a saint, you do try and flamebait people and be annoying, so expect to be given short shrift from people.

I flamebait by pointing out apparent double standards and hypocricy, and asking the subject to clarify/explain himself? And though I'm not asking you to be a saint like CGI or zexen, I do expect you to at least have very basic manners.

Akvod said: Seece said: TheRealMafoo said: Akvod said: Seece said: Akvod said: Seece said: dunno001 said: Well, I understand the point of gay parades: to remind others that we're still here, and that we're not going away. There are still quite a few people (and groups) that would love to happily pretend that we don't exist, or that we'll all just shut up and let them repress us. So, needless to say, I think the concept of a gay parade is good. My problem with them is how they so frequently play into the stereotypes which not all of us fit. Reminding people that we still exist: good. Getting up in their faces and being aggressive about it, which is how most parades seem to do this: bad. I'm more a fan of subdued reminders- we're still here, but we're also normal people, just like you. These flashy, over-the-top parades really do make us seem like a second kind of race at times... Pretty much sums it up for me, I think they do no favours for homophobia, only fuel it further. They're normally full of camp men which I despise as well .. When I made the same argument months ago, why did you antagonize and argue with me then? Because you probably tried to be annoying like you normally do. That sure is a mature attitude. Something I expect from a contributor who tells others to "shutup", dismisses the opinions of others by saying "LOL" or "You're annoying". I got a "Dumbest thing I've ever heard." a few days ago, so don't beat yourself up over it. My guess is this is just a topic he is very sensitive about, so anyone says anything about it that could be taken wrong, he assumes that's what you meant. What you said was the dubest thing I ever heard. And Akvod I have a blue name, doesn't mean I have to be some upstanding citizen and a saint, you do try and flamebait people and be annoying, so expect to be given short shrift from people. I flamebait by pointing out apparent double standards and hypocricy, and asking the subject to clarify/explain himself? And though I'm not asking you to be a saint like CGI or zexen, I do expect you to at least have very basic manners.

I have manners for people that deserve them, don't expect anything from me. I'm not gonna let this drag on though.

I find them obnoxious, but i find parades in general to be obnoxious, and i figure in this case it's a necessary annoyance to help further the cause of gay rights and such

 

I'd hope we can move beyond the need for them in the next 30 years or so...

Seece said: What you said was the dubest thing I ever heard.

Sorry that you and I being able to do the exact same thing, meaning we have the exact same rights (all be it less then we should), to be the dumbest thing you have ever heard.

I should have the right to form a union with a man just as you should. It's not a gay right. Your not some special case. You a human. You deserve no more rights then me. Sorry.

TheRealMafoo said: Seece said: What you said was the dubest thing I ever heard. Sorry that you and I being able to do the exact same thing, meaning we have the exact same rights (all be it less then we should), to be the dumbest thing you have ever heard. I should have the right to form a union with a man just as you should. It's not a gay right. Your not some special case. You a human. You deserve no more rights then me. Sorry.

You have the right to marry your life partner, I don't.

 

Don't come out with some crap that I can marry a woman, that's BS.

Seece said: TheRealMafoo said: Seece said: What you said was the dubest thing I ever heard. Sorry that you and I being able to do the exact same thing, meaning we have the exact same rights (all be it less then we should), to be the dumbest thing you have ever heard. I should have the right to form a union with a man just as you should. It's not a gay right. Your not some special case. You a human. You deserve no more rights then me. Sorry. You have the right to marry your life partner, I don't.   Don't come out with some crap that I can marry a woman, that's BS.

I don't have the right to marry your life parter either. You could marry mine. SAME RIGHTS.

I am not saying you shouldn't have the right to marry your life partner, I am just saying our rights are the same.

If my wife died and I decided to just spend the rest of my life living with my father, he would be my life parter, and I should be allowed the same rights between him and I, that I have with my wife.

We both can't do that, because of the rights we both don't have. Same rights. You might not like that answer, but it does not make it less true.

Bamboleo said:   From all parts of the world, from São Paulo in Brazil, Amsterdam and even Shanghai in China people organize the Gay Parades. What do you think about this?   -------------------------\------------------------\---------------------------\------------------------------------\-------------------    My opinion: I have 2 gay male friends and one lesbian friend, a bisexuality case and one closet case but it is soon to be confirmed as gay. So it makes 3 gay guys and practically 2 gay females. While being gay and enjoying that in the privacy of their room and discretely in public, they're also normal people like anyone else that is hetero.   Now gay Parade people completely annoys me. What's the point in doing such an event?   "YEAH BITCH I'M SO GAY I'D HIT YOU ALL FIT DELICIOUS BODY MANNN" "I'M SUCH A NASTY BIATCH" "TOUCH MY ASS, I'M HORNY"   Oh come on, you don't see any hetero parades do you? "YEAH I'M HETERO DUDE, GET OFF, I WANT PUSSY! I LOVE BOOBS"   This is wrong. People that usually go on gay parades should be arrested for public disorder and disrespect. That's an absolute shame and I'm sure many gay people feel sad about being associated with such event. Being gay is acceptable, being a stupid and disgusting gay makes me want to shot up their gay loosen up asses.

Look I could bore you with a long moral explination.. but I'm just going to cut to the chase. Does it really fucking matter? Get over it. It's not like their whacking off over your sleeping form. Their not cleaning your house or randomly jumping out of your closet. 

TheRealMafoo said: Seece said: TheRealMafoo said: Seece said: What you said was the dubest thing I ever heard. Sorry that you and I being able to do the exact same thing, meaning we have the exact same rights (all be it less then we should), to be the dumbest thing you have ever heard. I should have the right to form a union with a man just as you should. It's not a gay right. Your not some special case. You a human. You deserve no more rights then me. Sorry. You have the right to marry your life partner, I don't.   Don't come out with some crap that I can marry a woman, that's BS. I don't have the right to marry your life parter either. You could marry mine. SAME RIGHTS. I am not saying you shouldn't have the right to marry your life partner, I am just saying our rights are the same. If my wife died and I decided to just spend the rest of my life living with my father, he would be my life parter, and I should be allowed the same rights between him and I, that I have with my wife. We both can't do that, because of the rights we both don't have. Same rights. You might not like that answer, but it does not make it less true.

What? you can't marry your father, that's ... I'm not even going to go there.

Straight couples have the right to marry their partner, gay couples do not, saying "but I'm a straight man and I can't marry a man" is just so incredibly dumb. You wouldn't marry a man, neither would I marry a woman.

It's not that I don't like it, I just disagree with it.

TheRealMafoo said: Seece said: TheRealMafoo said: Seece said: What you said was the dubest thing I ever heard. Sorry that you and I being able to do the exact same thing, meaning we have the exact same rights (all be it less then we should), to be the dumbest thing you have ever heard. I should have the right to form a union with a man just as you should. It's not a gay right. Your not some special case. You a human. You deserve no more rights then me. Sorry. You have the right to marry your life partner, I don't.   Don't come out with some crap that I can marry a woman, that's BS. I don't have the right to marry your life parter either. You could marry mine. SAME RIGHTS. I am not saying you shouldn't have the right to marry your life partner, I am just saying our rights are the same. If my wife died and I decided to just spend the rest of my life living with my father, he would be my life parter, and I should be allowed the same rights between him and I, that I have with my wife. We both can't do that, because of the rights we both don't have. Same rights. You might not like that answer, but it does not make it less true.

Let me ask you a different question, then. In Massachusettes (and a few other states, but for the time being, that is irrelevant), gay marriage is legal. So I could marry a partner, and you have your marriage with yours. But, when that tax time comes, we can both file our state taxes as married, but we can't do the same for the federal taxes? Why? What it means is that the federal government is not willing to recognize a same-sex marriage, and this is why it needs to be legalized. What if we both moved to some hick state? Your marriage is still valid, but mine is nullified by the state. Again, why?

There is just too much inequality in this all. The legal definition of marriage is:

To make a valid marriage, the parties must be willing to contract, able to contract, and have actually contracted.They must be willing to contract. Those persons, therefore, who have no legal capacity in point of intellect, to make a contract, cannot legally marry, as idiots, lunatics, and infants; males under the age of fourteen, and females under the age of twelve; and when minors over those ages marry, they must have the consent of their parents or guardians. Source: http://www.lectlaw.com/def2/m087.htm

So I, a male, 29, of reasonably sound mind and judgment, want to marry another male, say... 26, also of reasonably sound mind and judgment. What in this definition stops us? Yet we're still barred, indicating that the rights are not applied equally. This is where the injustice is. Marriage is a legal contract, that they are deciding to pick and choose whose they will allow. That's not how a contract works. Thus, could I marry a woman? By this very definition, no; I'm not willing to contract with a woman for this. So I am being told that I can't get married. We're not asking for special rights; we're asking for the word of the law to actually be upheld.