TheRealMafoo said: chocoloco said:   I am all for legalizing drugs, but that chart is bullshit. There is no way you can tell me the "addiction potential", or the Withdrawal of Alcohol is the same or more then Cocaine and Nicotine. I drink a lot (3-4 times a week), but there will be time I might not drink for a month. I am never compelled to take a drink, or feel any withdrawal for nothing doing it. I know many people like that, in fact, I know of none who are not like that. I have never heard of 1 person who quit smoking, or doing cocaine and said it was as simple as just not doing it.

Alcohol is the most commonly abused drug in Western society. It almost has as many addicts as opiate addicts of the past. Opium used to be the most commonly abused drug until modern times when alcohol took over. Their are tons of alcoholics , I probably drink about the same number of time a week you do. Withdrawl includes the hangover everyone knows about is a withdrawl from the drug.

And I am not getting the last part of you argument of course quiting any drug as as simple as not doing it, but it can be shown that one drug is harder statistically than another.

chocoloco said: TheRealMafoo said: chocoloco said:   I am all for legalizing drugs, but that chart is bullshit. There is no way you can tell me the "addiction potential", or the Withdrawal of Alcohol is the same or more then Cocaine and Nicotine. I drink a lot (3-4 times a week), but there will be time I might not drink for a month. I am never compelled to take a drink, or feel any withdrawal for nothing doing it. I know many people like that, in fact, I know of none who are not like that. I have never heard of 1 person who quit smoking, or doing cocaine and said it was as simple as just not doing it. Alcohol is the most commonly abused drug in Western society. It almost has as many addicts as opiate addicts of the past. Opium used to be the most commonly abused drug until modern times when alcohol took over. Their are tons of alcoholics , I probably drink about the same number of time a week you do. Withdrawl includes the hangover everyone knows about is a withdrawl from the drug. And I am not getting the last part of you argument of course quiting any drug as as simple as not doing it, but it can be shown that one drug is harder statistically than another.

I had some work done on my teeth last week. I have not been allowed to drink because of it. I have no effects to not drinking. Not a single one.

If I did Nicotine, Heroin, or Cocaine at the same levels, I would have gone through some sort of withdraw.

And Alcohol being the #1 abused drug, and it being the most addictive are not remotely the same thing.

The coke heads I've met didn't snort their car away, but they stole from people, broke into homes to get money to BUY the coke. I have not seen any of the alcoholic people I know rob a house for it.

KingFate said: The coke heads I've met didn't snort their car away, but they stole from people, broke into homes to get money to BUY the coke. I have not seen any of the alcoholic people I know rob a house for it.

Possibly true, but I'd bet there are far more domestic violence cases fuled by alcohol than drugs.

Yes. Weed is a pretty mild drug and making it illegal isn't stopping anyone from getting it, it just creates a black market, invites crime and gets sold to anyone with money for it, including youth. If legal you could tax and regulate it.

I think it should be restricted like alcohol and cigarettes but making it illegal doesn't really benefit anybody, whether you smoke it or not.

ameratsu said: Is this the one kasz? link  If it is, what you said above in point 2 is a little misleading. This study only indicates that very heavy (53-84 joints/week) have "persistent decision-making deficits and alterations in brain activity". They note in the abstract that brain activity and task performance between moderate users (8-35 joints/week) and the control group were "similar".  They also point out that it is unclear if these decision-making problems shown in the heavy users continue after Marijuana use has stopped or if they might get worse with continued use. Another study I found seems to indicate that while tasks performed on Marijuana take longer, decision-making accuracy is not impaired. Of course, I don't have access to either study in full.

It is one of them, but not the only one. When talking about effects generally you talk about the worst. I mean, it's even done with those "addiction" charts. It's a lot harder to quit a joint a day then it is a beer or two a day. Hell in college and after that's basically what happened to most of my friends. They didn't have the money to spend on a both an 8th and a case beer... and they ended up going with the 8th when push came to shove.

TheRealMafoo said: chocoloco said: TheRealMafoo said: chocoloco said:   I am all for legalizing drugs, but that chart is bullshit. There is no way you can tell me the "addiction potential", or the Withdrawal of Alcohol is the same or more then Cocaine and Nicotine. I drink a lot (3-4 times a week), but there will be time I might not drink for a month. I am never compelled to take a drink, or feel any withdrawal for nothing doing it. I know many people like that, in fact, I know of none who are not like that. I have never heard of 1 person who quit smoking, or doing cocaine and said it was as simple as just not doing it. Alcohol is the most commonly abused drug in Western society. It almost has as many addicts as opiate addicts of the past. Opium used to be the most commonly abused drug until modern times when alcohol took over. Their are tons of alcoholics , I probably drink about the same number of time a week you do. Withdrawl includes the hangover everyone knows about is a withdrawl from the drug. And I am not getting the last part of you argument of course quiting any drug as as simple as not doing it, but it can be shown that one drug is harder statistically than another. I had some work done on my teeth last week. I have not been allowed to drink because of it. I have no effects to not drinking. Not a single one. If I did Nicotine, Heroin, or Cocaine at the same levels, I would have gone through some sort of withdraw. And Alcohol being the #1 abused drug, and it being the most addictive are not remotely the same thing.

Man I am glad to hear your not an alcohlic or physically addicted to alcohol because if you were you would be going through withdrawl. Niclotine withdrawl really does suck as I am an ex smoker. I cannot say for cocaine or herion because I am not addicted to them and hav e never used herion.  I don't think alcoholl is the most addictive drug, but it is the most commonly abused drur in modern times.

Legalize it and use the revenue to to fight meth and crack problems.

chocoloco said: TheRealMafoo said: chocoloco said: TheRealMafoo said: chocoloco said:   I am all for legalizing drugs, but that chart is bullshit. There is no way you can tell me the "addiction potential", or the Withdrawal of Alcohol is the same or more then Cocaine and Nicotine. I drink a lot (3-4 times a week), but there will be time I might not drink for a month. I am never compelled to take a drink, or feel any withdrawal for nothing doing it. I know many people like that, in fact, I know of none who are not like that. I have never heard of 1 person who quit smoking, or doing cocaine and said it was as simple as just not doing it. Alcohol is the most commonly abused drug in Western society. It almost has as many addicts as opiate addicts of the past. Opium used to be the most commonly abused drug until modern times when alcohol took over. Their are tons of alcoholics , I probably drink about the same number of time a week you do. Withdrawl includes the hangover everyone knows about is a withdrawl from the drug. And I am not getting the last part of you argument of course quiting any drug as as simple as not doing it, but it can be shown that one drug is harder statistically than another. I had some work done on my teeth last week. I have not been allowed to drink because of it. I have no effects to not drinking. Not a single one. If I did Nicotine, Heroin, or Cocaine at the same levels, I would have gone through some sort of withdraw. And Alcohol being the #1 abused drug, and it being the most addictive are not remotely the same thing. Man I am glad to hear your not an alcohlic or physically addicted to alcohol because if you were you would be going through withdrawl. Niclotine withdrawl really does suck as I am an ex smoker. I cannot say for cocaine or herion because I am not addicted to them and hav e never used herion.  I don't think alcoholl is the most addictive drug, but it is the most commonly abused drur in modern times.

The question I think he's saying though is...

How easy is it to get addicted to say... Nicotine, Meth, Marijuana compaired to beer.

For example, those charts are fairly useless if it's actually much easier to get addicted to Marijuana by smoking say... an 8th or dime bag a week.

Which I do believe an 8th or dime bag a week is more addicting then say a case of beer a week.

Kasz216 said: chocoloco said: TheRealMafoo said: chocoloco said: TheRealMafoo said: chocoloco said:   I am all for legalizing drugs, but that chart is bullshit. There is no way you can tell me the "addiction potential", or the Withdrawal of Alcohol is the same or more then Cocaine and Nicotine. I drink a lot (3-4 times a week), but there will be time I might not drink for a month. I am never compelled to take a drink, or feel any withdrawal for nothing doing it. I know many people like that, in fact, I know of none who are not like that. I have never heard of 1 person who quit smoking, or doing cocaine and said it was as simple as just not doing it. Alcohol is the most commonly abused drug in Western society. It almost has as many addicts as opiate addicts of the past. Opium used to be the most commonly abused drug until modern times when alcohol took over. Their are tons of alcoholics , I probably drink about the same number of time a week you do. Withdrawl includes the hangover everyone knows about is a withdrawl from the drug. And I am not getting the last part of you argument of course quiting any drug as as simple as not doing it, but it can be shown that one drug is harder statistically than another. I had some work done on my teeth last week. I have not been allowed to drink because of it. I have no effects to not drinking. Not a single one. If I did Nicotine, Heroin, or Cocaine at the same levels, I would have gone through some sort of withdraw. And Alcohol being the #1 abused drug, and it being the most addictive are not remotely the same thing. Man I am glad to hear your not an alcohlic or physically addicted to alcohol because if you were you would be going through withdrawl. Niclotine withdrawl really does suck as I am an ex smoker. I cannot say for cocaine or herion because I am not addicted to them and hav e never used herion.  I don't think alcoholl is the most addictive drug, but it is the most commonly abused drur in modern times. The question I think he's saying though is... How easy is it to get addicted to say... Nicotine, Meth, Marijuana compaired to beer. For example, those charts are fairly useless if it's actually much easier to get addicted to Marijuana by smoking say... an 8th or dime bag a week. Which I do believe an 8th or dime bag a week is more addicting then say a case of beer a week.

Marijuana is proven to only be mentally addictive not physically addictive. All the other substances you have listed are physically addictive including beer. Of course, alcohol physical addiction takes years and years of abuse at high levels of consumption. If you don't know the differance between physical and mental addiction; mental addiction means you think you need the drug, physical addiction means your body, cells are addicted to the drug and that you will experience things like withdrawl if you do not use the drug.