No, my argument was that you are gay, not by physical rubbings of organs, but by wether or not you get a fucking boner or get horny for someone of the same sex.

If you are defining sexuality to be established through the act of sex, then you are saying we lack sexuality until we have sex, and that makes no fucking sense because we HAVE SEX, because of a PRE-EXISTING sexual orientation >.<

God dammit, I'm really getting pissed in this forum. It happened in the Bad Company thread, and now in this. People are extracting the completely wrong stuff from my posts.

Look I'm simplify it for you:

Sexuality is not by choice or action, but is within you as a result of nature.

As for the "stepping on toes", what a crock of shit. Really, a crock of shit. That's the same path that leads to censor ship, with religious people demanding others to not have their religion as a subject of conversation. If seece wanted only homo-sexuals to post here, and segregate out hetrosexuals, he should have gotten the mods to enforce that as a rule.

As for the shut up, did I ever invoke that he broke the rules? No. I don't think ANYBODY should break rules, as the point of rules are that they dictate what's punishable and non-punishable, not arbitrary personal decisions. My point was though, that it is poor behavior that takes away from the community, and that as a senior member and contributor seece should be setting positive examples.

Finally, to get back at the topic at hand, you realize though that you too agreed with me. When you were responding to my rape example, your point was consent, choice, DESIRE. My point was that rape DOESN'T make you gay, even though it involves the physical action of having gay sex, because the victim lacked any DESIRE for the same sex. You AGREED with me that purely PHYSICAL action does not constitute your sexual orientation.

It is only when you sexually desire the same sex (aka horny) are you gay. You can be gay before losing your virginity. You can be hetrosexual.

As for whether or not engaging in gay pornography makes you gay or not. If a Lesbian woman needed money and engaged in hetrosexual pornography, by choice, would you consider her to have done it out of desire for the opposite sex, or money?

Do I study because I desire the action of studying? Or because I want only the grade? Ditto for jobs, ditto for anything else.

Sheesh, again, let me sum up my point in a single sentence: Sexuality is by nature.

/rant

Sorry if it's disorganized, but man I get boiled up when people tell me to shut up, while not properly reading my posts.

Okay then, let's make a hypothetical here. Let's say you and I were making a gay porno together (lulz). Well how would we go about doing this? How would I get a boner from you if I wasn't gay? Now, you could claim that I just got a handjob before going on the set, of course, but then how could I stand (as a straight guy) to have gay sex with you? Doesn't that go against what I'm attracted to? And I never said we don't have a sexuality until we have sex (although I do thank you for being hypocritical and extracting incorrect things from my post). I was simply saying that sex is an expression of one's sexuality. If you consent to gay sex, you are gay to some degree. You can't claim to only like women and then agree to stick it in another guy's butt. Rape is one thing, but I stress that the sex here is consensual. Oh, and by the way, no one cares if you're pissed off. I'm getting pissed off a million different things in the forums and all around the site all the time. The forums suck, that's how it is. I don't know when it happened, but that's the situation right now. But moving on...

Wow, way to come off as random and pretentious. Why did you drag religion into this? Is that also something you don't understand? Seriously now. Seece opened this thread with a question and the potential for debate (as we're seeing now). However, that doesn't mean he can't tell you to shutup if he feels bothered by what you'd say. Oh, and by the way, do you really think the mods would allow only homosexuals to post in this thread? Do you realize how offensive that would be? Do you realize that I could just suddenly claim I'm gay, and then be allowed to post in this hypothetical thread even though I'm not? Seece obviously didn't make this thread with only homosexual responders in mind, since the question is obviously posed at straight people. I wouldn't do porn regardless, at least not to pay for college loans. Maybe if my face was censored, or I was wearing a mask...erm, nevermind.

Now, getting on to the rules. Well, what you have to realize is that while Seece and I are staff members, we still didn't break any rules. If we called you a booger-nosed doody head, that would be one thing (lulz again). However, he just told you to shutup (and he probably had good reason, depending on what his reaction was). I'm not really going to make a big deal out of this, just know that we're here to write articles for the site, not be saints. Hell, I've once had an administrator tell me to shutup, in the forums in front of everyone. And if he hadn't called me ignorant too, I probably wouldn't have cared. But alas.

And we're moving in circles here. While I can't remember every last post in this thread, I do believe that you used rape as an example. Well I'll repeat myself: Sex is an expression of one's sexuality. Obviously, you're not gay for being raped by another man. But you'd probably be gay if you consented to express your sexuality to him. Argh, I really feel repetitive here. And I'll say again that actions speak louder than words. I can't continue to eat sandwiches and claim to hate them. I can't continue to listen to the Jonas Bros. by my own decision and say I hate them. I can't murder a guy and say I'm not a murderer. Well, I think you get the point. Your actions define you so much, simply because your mind can play tricks on you. But that's a whole other ball game (and I've got other ball games to think about, no gay pun attended). As for lesbians, well, if she chooses to have sex with a man she's probably not as much of a lesbian as she thinks. She's probably more bisexual. 

If you respond to this, you're a hero.