http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/post.php?post=3192162&page=10&postnum=4

So PS4 announced next year then

let me ask you have you ever made a BUSINESS PLAN?

it's made for  projection's for year's in advance. why do you think bank's need one in order for them to give you a small business loan!

he's not saying we are calling the shot's for other companies, He is talking about Sony!

they have a Business plan, you have to follow it atleast to see how you perform, if it need's changed they can at a later time.

Sony has alway's had the PLAYSTATION product's on a 10 year support cycle.

that's in their Business Plan.

I agree, over 10 years is clearly out of the question, but im curious, what would your personal prediction be for what this gen has left to offer kowen?

so when does a new generation start? when only one company releases first? how about if that one company decides to bring out a whole new system before the other two , does that still start a whole new generation?, just giving you a little hard time

anyway:

No I think what jack was talking about is every year of each playstation's cycle on the market  is about 10% of the system's capabilitty for further innovation of that said playstation product. so where they are right now they are about 25% to 30% of the tapped capabilities of the playstation 3, that's like many developer's today say they are just getting used to the hardware and that there is further tweaking of their engine's and what the system can do. just like the Xbox360 look at what was posted about The Unreal engine for the xbox360 . that show's there is still plenty of room in this generation's for growth.

would you say after reading that post about how the unreal engine for the xbox360 was not even tweaked to take advantage of the hardware of the xbox360 would indeed put it about 40% of the xbox360's system life?

I would. It make's sense the xbox360 is quite capable of a machine, than 4.5 year's later this come's out. kind of make's sense does it not that the xbox360 is not even anywhere near tapped.

what jack stated is pretty much inline we are not anywhere even close to what these machine's are capable of

example: both the xbox360 an Playstation has this advantage over the PC when they were first released look at it closely:

notice that processor to graphic's chip connection speed. remember the 10x as fast people ran a rumor on the internet that this made the ps3 10 times fastor than the xbox360, when if people stopped and looked it up than they would have known the xbox360 employ's such a Bus.

though the machine's employ them in seperate design's the effect's are quite astounding. which as already with game's like UNCHARTED 2, ALAN WAKE, Mass Effect 2

yes they do not live in a bubble, that's very true.

"and "gens" are measured by console launches not the ongoing technical viabilty of a current gen console."

well have you stopped to think maybe that has indeed changed!, when was the last time a "game console" in previous generation's had the capabilities as these machine's do.?

that answer is never!

there is no such thing as just a "a game console" anymore, it does not exist, it has not since the xbox and the dreamcast, and PS2 now Nintendo has followed suit.

It's like trying to compare the previous generation with the convergance level of devices from 10 year's ago to the one's now there is just no contest.

the machine's from yesteryear are very outdated.

it may suit them, but also the very fact that Microsoft lost 1.8 billion plus, for hardware "lets be nice and call it over run's" Microsoft want's that back

they are still adding on to that 1.8 billion, though it's no where near the level it was with the new cost's but still, that's quite a bit of money.

There are risks of doing nothing after the market has reached a saturation point. A combination of used game sales, old/budget game sales, piracy, and competition for game sales from multi-console ownership can cause a plateau or a reduction in sales revenue and profit generated from these platforms; and it is unlikely that share-holders will accept stagnant or falling revenues or profits for any period of time without some sort of action.

On top of this, the longer a generation goes on without a new console being released the greater the opportunity is for a new entrant into the market; and if you’re not prepared to counter this new entrant with your own system release there is a possibility that they could capture the market in the "next generation" before you have the opportunity to act. While I don’t see many companies that would make a jump to the console market at the moment, few people really would have predicted Microsoft entering into the console market a couple of years before that happened.

With that said, the timeline I am thinking of for console releases (late 2011 to the end of 2013) is likely to be at a point where most of the worst of the recession is behind us; and even if it isn’t videogame console sales should be mostly unaffected by a recession. The reason why videogame sales are a safe haven in a recession is that entertainment is really a necessity, people look to reduce their costs on the necessities they buy, and videogames are a very cheap form of entertainment. When you start to look at the costs a family incurs to stay entertained for a couple of hours outside of their house, a videogame console doesn’t look expensive in comparison; and when you look at a single (adult) a couple trips to the bar can be as expensive as a console.

Now, on the topic of Natal and the Arc, I think there will be a lot of disappointment when people start to look at the sales of these add-ons. Certainly, when you compare the sales of these devices to a typical game they will seem to have performed very well, but I expect they will sell far short of the level most consoles would be proclaimed a massive failure for selling to.

I agree but they don't have to since one may choose to leave the market.