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KylieDog said:
Kasz216 said:
Hawk said:
Kasz216 said:
Hawk said:

Hmmm, I may be missing something.  But that 'extra' is not a cost to the person that bought the game new.  Whether or not it was on the disk, or had to be downloaded later, it is not extra cost to the person who bought it new.  And if it's free DLC content for the life of the game, the person who bought it new, will, over time, get extra content for no cost.

You are missing quite a lot.

For one looking towars the future as well as the present.

As in... other games in the future.

Please explain some more.  I am not sure what you are getting at.  Future games doing this same thing?


BFBC 1 updates were free.

BFBC 2 updates are free for new users and 15 dollars for used players.  Who cares it's only for used players.

BFBC3 updates are 15 dollars.  Who cares it was an extra.

 

It goes from given feature to everyone having to pay for it in 2 games.  This move devalues content because it makes it easier to devalue the content more later on.

 

 

 

Stop posting this nonsense.   BFBC2 is not even released and you are trying to tell us EA/DICEs plan for BFBC3 DLC like it is fact.


It's really irrelevent if they plan to do it... though this is EA. This gives them the ABILITY to do it in the future whether they do or not. It's a half step at devalueing game content. The above is treated as less serious as if they just suddenly charged for it, but it accomplishes the same thing.

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KylieDog said:
Kasz216 said:
Hawk said:
Kasz216 said:
Hawk said:

Hmmm, I may be missing something.  But that 'extra' is not a cost to the person that bought the game new.  Whether or not it was on the disk, or had to be downloaded later, it is not extra cost to the person who bought it new.  And if it's free DLC content for the life of the game, the person who bought it new, will, over time, get extra content for no cost.

You are missing quite a lot.

For one looking towars the future as well as the present.

As in... other games in the future.

Please explain some more.  I am not sure what you are getting at.  Future games doing this same thing?


BFBC 1 updates were free.

BFBC 2 updates are free for new users and 15 dollars for used players.  Who cares it's only for used players.

BFBC3 updates are 15 dollars.  Who cares it was an extra.

 

It goes from given feature to everyone having to pay for it in 2 games.  This move devalues content because it makes it easier to devalue the content more later on.

 

 

 

Stop posting this nonsense.   BFBC2 is not even released and you are trying to tell us EA/DICEs plan for BFBC3 DLC like it is fact.


It's really irrelevent if they plan to do it... though this is EA. This gives them the ABILITY to do it in the future whether they do or not. It's a half step at devalueing game content. The above is treated as less serious as if they just suddenly charged for it, but it accomplishes the same thing.

KylieDog said:
Kasz216 said:
Akvod said:
KungKras said:
I don't mind them giving extras to people buying the game.

THANK YOU! FUCKING THANK-YOU!

 

Somebody has some basic common sense in this thread *hugs*

If only it were you... since you don't seem to understand that the term "extra" is fairly meaningless in this case. 

Once again... you see it as a big difference that content is available online day 1 then the disc?

If I were to say release Uncharted 3... with the online mode as an "extra download" day 1... am i really giving people an extra?

 

1.  It is not on disc.

 

2.  It isn't just for day 1 DLC, if is for ALL FUTURE DLC, even that that does not yet exist.


Yet it includes Day 1 content that SHOULD be on the disc.

Kasz216 said:
Akvod said:
Kasz216 said:
Akvod said:
KungKras said:
I don't mind them giving extras to people buying the game.

THANK YOU! FUCKING THANK-YOU!

 

Somebody has some basic common sense in this thread *hugs*

If only it were you... since you don't seem to understand that the term "extra" is fairly meaningless in this case. 

Once again... you see it as a big difference that content is available online day 1 then the disc?

If I were to say release Uncharted 3... with the online mode as an "extra download" day 1... am i really giving people an extra?

But it's totally cool if Resident Evil 5 does it later than day 1, and asks money for it right?

You guys and your weird psychology. You guys will be totally fine if the people who bought it new didn't get it for free, but everyone had to pay for it.


Nope. If it's 1 day later it's still wrong. Basically it's wrong if A) it's obvious it could of been included with as much as a minor delay or... B) it's a feature that was previously standard. With this game BOTH qualfies. I'd say about 3 months is what i'd consider copastetic. Pay or not... it's wrong. Which you know... has been mentioned many many times but you keep ignoring it to keep up your bullshit strawman arguments to avoid the point that your arguement makes no sense.

2 extra maps added to an initial 8? I don't see how that's standard. And why do a minor delay, when you could simply do it online, for no cost to the majority of customers, and those customers being the ones dedicated to EA, and the ones EA cares about the most.



Akvod said:
Kasz216 said:
Akvod said:
Kasz216 said:
Akvod said:
KungKras said:
I don't mind them giving extras to people buying the game.

THANK YOU! FUCKING THANK-YOU!

 

Somebody has some basic common sense in this thread *hugs*

If only it were you... since you don't seem to understand that the term "extra" is fairly meaningless in this case. 

Once again... you see it as a big difference that content is available online day 1 then the disc?

If I were to say release Uncharted 3... with the online mode as an "extra download" day 1... am i really giving people an extra?

But it's totally cool if Resident Evil 5 does it later than day 1, and asks money for it right?

You guys and your weird psychology. You guys will be totally fine if the people who bought it new didn't get it for free, but everyone had to pay for it.


Nope. If it's 1 day later it's still wrong. Basically it's wrong if A) it's obvious it could of been included with as much as a minor delay or... B) it's a feature that was previously standard. With this game BOTH qualfies. I'd say about 3 months is what i'd consider copastetic. Pay or not... it's wrong. Which you know... has been mentioned many many times but you keep ignoring it to keep up your bullshit strawman arguments to avoid the point that your arguement makes no sense.

2 extra maps added to an initial 8? I don't see how that's standard. And why do a minor delay, when you could simply do it online, for no cost to the majority of customers, and those customers being the ones dedicated to EA, and the ones EA cares about the most.


At this point i have to call you out for being intentionally intellectually dishonest.  Everythings been spelled out pretty clearly in my positions and you keep pretending they're stuff they aren't... or like here... just completly ignoring the entire post.

 

Your also ignoring the fact that the used game market HELPS the industry and doesn't hurt it.  Used markets HELP new markets, not hurt them because they make the risks of buying products less, get general interest in products up and in general gives people who are "one and done" a reason to buy something that would otherwise sit on their shelves for eternity. 

 



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Davey1983 said:
Sorry, but this is a jerk thing to do. This is not a reward for dedicated fans-- this is an attempt to screw over a portion of the fan base. $15 for two maps if I buy used? Ridiculous.

How many people who buy used are going to actually know about this-- I'd bet not many. Most people will probably buy the game and later realize that EA has held back content. This will only upset customers.

If they were truely dedicated fans they would buy new though..

It's not EA's fault, as much as I hate them, that they make 0 $ on Used copies. At least this way they can fight used sales by having used owners re-purchase some portion of the game from them, meaning they can make at least a little bit of money. Sure, it might be upsetting to people like yourself, but at least they aren't requiring you to have to stay connected to the internet 24/7 if you want to play it.. If you don't want the little gift New buyers get, you don't have to get it. They are simply giving those who buy a new copy at 60$ or less a reward over someone who would pay 10-20 $ less for a used copy. This way, maybe new buyers won't feel ripped off after a couple weeks when the price starts to slowly go down.

 

Comsumer confidence.



And that's the only thing I need is *this*. I don't need this or this. Just this PS4... And this gaming PC. - The PS4 and the Gaming PC and that's all I need... And this Xbox 360. - The PS4, the Gaming PC, and the Xbox 360, and that's all I need... And these PS3's. - The PS4, and these PS3's, and the Gaming PC, and the Xbox 360... And this Nintendo DS. - The PS4, this Xbox 360, and the Gaming PC, and the PS3's, and that's all *I* need. And that's *all* I need too. I don't need one other thing, not one... I need this. - The Gaming PC and PS4, and Xbox 360, and thePS3's . Well what are you looking at? What do you think I'm some kind of a jerk or something! - And this. That's all I need.

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Strategyking92 said:
Davey1983 said:
Sorry, but this is a jerk thing to do. This is not a reward for dedicated fans-- this is an attempt to screw over a portion of the fan base. $15 for two maps if I buy used? Ridiculous.

How many people who buy used are going to actually know about this-- I'd bet not many. Most people will probably buy the game and later realize that EA has held back content. This will only upset customers.

If they were truely dedicated fans they would buy new though..

It's not EA's fault, as much as I hate them, that they make 0 $ on Used copies. At least this way they can fight used sales by having used owners re-purchase some portion of the game from them, meaning they can make at least a little bit of money. Sure, it might be upsetting to people like yourself, but at least they aren't requiring you to have to stay connected to the internet 24/7 if you want to play it.. If you don't want the little gift New buyers get, you don't have to get it. They are simply giving those who buy a new copy at 60$ or less a reward over someone who would pay 10-20 $ less for a used copy. This way, maybe new buyers won't feel ripped off after a couple weeks when the price starts to slowly go down.

 

Comsumer confidence.

Didn't you read the earlier link on the Used game market... EA Does make money on used game sales... in that if it wasn't for a used game market... New sales would be lower... not higher.

Additionally, the problem is they are devalueing content that was available in the first game by doing it, since it was free in the first game, but now only free to some.


If they decided to just charge period for the new updates... people would be pissed because they were previously free.

If in the third game they decide to charge for all, nobody would really be pissed because they were extra anyway.  This shows a clear devaluation of a part of the product that was once considered normal for this franchise.



Kasz216 said:
Strategyking92 said:
Davey1983 said:
Sorry, but this is a jerk thing to do. This is not a reward for dedicated fans-- this is an attempt to screw over a portion of the fan base. $15 for two maps if I buy used? Ridiculous.

How many people who buy used are going to actually know about this-- I'd bet not many. Most people will probably buy the game and later realize that EA has held back content. This will only upset customers.

If they were truely dedicated fans they would buy new though..

It's not EA's fault, as much as I hate them, that they make 0 $ on Used copies. At least this way they can fight used sales by having used owners re-purchase some portion of the game from them, meaning they can make at least a little bit of money. Sure, it might be upsetting to people like yourself, but at least they aren't requiring you to have to stay connected to the internet 24/7 if you want to play it.. If you don't want the little gift New buyers get, you don't have to get it. They are simply giving those who buy a new copy at 60$ or less a reward over someone who would pay 10-20 $ less for a used copy. This way, maybe new buyers won't feel ripped off after a couple weeks when the price starts to slowly go down.

 

Comsumer confidence.

Didn't you read the earlier link on the Used game market... EA Does make money on used game sales... in that if it wasn't for a used game market... New sales would be lower... not higher.

Additionally, the problem is they are devalueing content that was available in the first game by doing it, since it was free in the first game, but now only free to some.


If they decided to just charge period for the new updates... people would be pissed because they were previously free.

If in the third game they decide to charge for all, nobody would really be pissed because they were extra anyway.  This shows a clear devaluation of a part of the product that was once considered normal for this franchise.

No I did not see the earlier link..

But still, it's not like EA won't continue to profit from used sales, as you say. The used market is still going to be there, but now EA is trying to get a higher percentage of them to go new instead. They still get the benefits (if there are any... but as you say..) of the used market, but now they will get even more money from the used market through launch DLC. Win-Win for them.



And that's the only thing I need is *this*. I don't need this or this. Just this PS4... And this gaming PC. - The PS4 and the Gaming PC and that's all I need... And this Xbox 360. - The PS4, the Gaming PC, and the Xbox 360, and that's all I need... And these PS3's. - The PS4, and these PS3's, and the Gaming PC, and the Xbox 360... And this Nintendo DS. - The PS4, this Xbox 360, and the Gaming PC, and the PS3's, and that's all *I* need. And that's *all* I need too. I don't need one other thing, not one... I need this. - The Gaming PC and PS4, and Xbox 360, and thePS3's . Well what are you looking at? What do you think I'm some kind of a jerk or something! - And this. That's all I need.

Obligatory dick measuring Gaming Laptop Specs: Sager NP8270-GTX: 17.3" FULL HD (1920X1080) LED Matte LC, nVIDIA GeForce GTX 780M, Intel Core i7-4700MQ, 16GB (2x8GB) DDR3, 750GB SATA II 3GB/s 7,200 RPM Hard Drive

Strategyking92 said:
Kasz216 said:
Strategyking92 said:
Davey1983 said:
Sorry, but this is a jerk thing to do. This is not a reward for dedicated fans-- this is an attempt to screw over a portion of the fan base. $15 for two maps if I buy used? Ridiculous.

How many people who buy used are going to actually know about this-- I'd bet not many. Most people will probably buy the game and later realize that EA has held back content. This will only upset customers.

If they were truely dedicated fans they would buy new though..

It's not EA's fault, as much as I hate them, that they make 0 $ on Used copies. At least this way they can fight used sales by having used owners re-purchase some portion of the game from them, meaning they can make at least a little bit of money. Sure, it might be upsetting to people like yourself, but at least they aren't requiring you to have to stay connected to the internet 24/7 if you want to play it.. If you don't want the little gift New buyers get, you don't have to get it. They are simply giving those who buy a new copy at 60$ or less a reward over someone who would pay 10-20 $ less for a used copy. This way, maybe new buyers won't feel ripped off after a couple weeks when the price starts to slowly go down.

 

Comsumer confidence.

Didn't you read the earlier link on the Used game market... EA Does make money on used game sales... in that if it wasn't for a used game market... New sales would be lower... not higher.

Additionally, the problem is they are devalueing content that was available in the first game by doing it, since it was free in the first game, but now only free to some.


If they decided to just charge period for the new updates... people would be pissed because they were previously free.

If in the third game they decide to charge for all, nobody would really be pissed because they were extra anyway.  This shows a clear devaluation of a part of the product that was once considered normal for this franchise.

No I did not see the earlier link..

But still, it's not like EA won't continue to profit from used sales, as you say. The used market is still going to be there, but now EA is trying to get a higher percentage of them to go new instead. They still get the benefits (if there are any... but as you say..) of the used market, but now they will get even more money from the used market through launch DLC. Win-Win for them.

Or... less people are going to buy period because less people buy used, which means a less demand for new.  Hurting the used market hurts the new market.

 



Kasz216 said:
Strategyking92 said:
Kasz216 said:
Strategyking92 said:
Davey1983 said:
Sorry, but this is a jerk thing to do. This is not a reward for dedicated fans-- this is an attempt to screw over a portion of the fan base. $15 for two maps if I buy used? Ridiculous.

How many people who buy used are going to actually know about this-- I'd bet not many. Most people will probably buy the game and later realize that EA has held back content. This will only upset customers.

If they were truely dedicated fans they would buy new though..

It's not EA's fault, as much as I hate them, that they make 0 $ on Used copies. At least this way they can fight used sales by having used owners re-purchase some portion of the game from them, meaning they can make at least a little bit of money. Sure, it might be upsetting to people like yourself, but at least they aren't requiring you to have to stay connected to the internet 24/7 if you want to play it.. If you don't want the little gift New buyers get, you don't have to get it. They are simply giving those who buy a new copy at 60$ or less a reward over someone who would pay 10-20 $ less for a used copy. This way, maybe new buyers won't feel ripped off after a couple weeks when the price starts to slowly go down.

 

Comsumer confidence.

Didn't you read the earlier link on the Used game market... EA Does make money on used game sales... in that if it wasn't for a used game market... New sales would be lower... not higher.

Additionally, the problem is they are devalueing content that was available in the first game by doing it, since it was free in the first game, but now only free to some.


If they decided to just charge period for the new updates... people would be pissed because they were previously free.

If in the third game they decide to charge for all, nobody would really be pissed because they were extra anyway.  This shows a clear devaluation of a part of the product that was once considered normal for this franchise.

No I did not see the earlier link..

But still, it's not like EA won't continue to profit from used sales, as you say. The used market is still going to be there, but now EA is trying to get a higher percentage of them to go new instead. They still get the benefits (if there are any... but as you say..) of the used market, but now they will get even more money from the used market through launch DLC. Win-Win for them.

Or... less people are going to buy period because less people buy used, which means a less demand for new.  Hurting the used market hurts the new market.

 

So.. You are saying that the less people that buy used also take away from the "new" sales?... What?

Sure, I can see where you come from out of a word of mouth standpoint, but even then there are rental services.. And the used market won't be killed completely..



And that's the only thing I need is *this*. I don't need this or this. Just this PS4... And this gaming PC. - The PS4 and the Gaming PC and that's all I need... And this Xbox 360. - The PS4, the Gaming PC, and the Xbox 360, and that's all I need... And these PS3's. - The PS4, and these PS3's, and the Gaming PC, and the Xbox 360... And this Nintendo DS. - The PS4, this Xbox 360, and the Gaming PC, and the PS3's, and that's all *I* need. And that's *all* I need too. I don't need one other thing, not one... I need this. - The Gaming PC and PS4, and Xbox 360, and thePS3's . Well what are you looking at? What do you think I'm some kind of a jerk or something! - And this. That's all I need.

Obligatory dick measuring Gaming Laptop Specs: Sager NP8270-GTX: 17.3" FULL HD (1920X1080) LED Matte LC, nVIDIA GeForce GTX 780M, Intel Core i7-4700MQ, 16GB (2x8GB) DDR3, 750GB SATA II 3GB/s 7,200 RPM Hard Drive