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Kasz216 on 26 February 2010
Hawk said:
Kasz216 said:
Hawk said:
Galaki said:
I never bought used games but companies doing this only devalue their games and in a way giving customers the middle finger.

This is not bonus. It's just existing content that's locked up when it should be available in the first place. That's devaluing to me.

I guess I won't be buying Ubisoft and EA games altogether...

If you never bought used games before, and so no DLC content will cost you anything, how is this devaluing the game to you?

Because it takes content that should be a given... but instead marks it as an "extra."

Which means that "extra" can be gotten rid of in future games or charged for... because hell... it's just an extra.

Hmmm, I may be missing something.  But that 'extra' is not a cost to the person that bought the game new.  Whether or not it was on the disk, or had to be downloaded later, it is not extra cost to the person who bought it new.  And if it's free DLC content for the life of the game, the person who bought it new, will, over time, get extra content for no cost.

You are missing quite a lot.

For one looking towars the future as well as the present.

As in... other games in the future.



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Akvod on 26 February 2010
Garnett said:
Akvod said:
Garnett said:
Akvod said:
Garnett said:


 

 

Its on the disc but its not in the game, somethings wrong with that. 

And are you willing to make a bet with me?

Kotaku is fucking interpreting stuff like conquest mode on Arica Harbor (which is avaiable in Rush mode) as being on the disc already. Fine, that's a shaky ground.

 

But there are definetly entirely NEW maps in the DLC, and those cannot be on the disc.

And I'm simply making my argument on the fact that it would be a misnomer to use the word DOWNLOADABLE content for things on the disc. It is purely illogical.

Would you like to make a bet then?

I have my last class today now. Write down the stakes while I'm gone, and I'll see if they're reasonable or unreasonable.

Basically If the download size for the maps are 10 mbs or less  than i win the bet.

 

If its 11mbs or more than you win. 

 

Loser gets banned for a week. Fair?

 

 

Err? Wut? I thought your argument was that the content were on the disc, not about how big of a size they are.

 

My conditions:

Subject is 360/PS3

If the DLC is not on the disc, and is in fact downloaded, I, Akvod, win.

If the above statement is false, you, Garnett win.

The only source that will be accepted is EA itself, or testing the claim when the game comes out. Not news sources like Kotaku.

If EA makes a clear statement that is proven to be a blatant lie, the bet is to be canceled (for example, if EA itself reports that "A is true", and in fact the truth that A is false is brought to light, then the bet is canceled).

The loser will be forced to have an sig of the winner's chosing for the entire month of March, 2010. The sig must be screened by a mod/admin/etc first. Nothing offensive or personal (for example, "Akvod sucks" is a no-no)

 

Accept/Decline?

If the maps are on the disc then the download will be less than 10 mbs, as it will be a unlock code used to unlock the maps on the disc, if its more than 11 mbs then you really are downloading the maps, hence there not on the disc.

 

There is no way to tell if the maps are on the disc until we see how big the DLC size.

 

Therefore if its more than 11mbs then you win and i get banned for a week

If its less than 10 mbs then i win and you get banned.

 

And just a 1 week ban, im not giving up my sig or anything like that. 

I'm a bit wary about the DL size. I don't want to lose based on technicalities (files being less than 10mb, but still being actual maps).

 

*sigh* you know what, I was gonna try to ninja you, but I don't care:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-XD8lJUv8g&feature=player_embedded

In the Day 1 Map Pack trailer get a preview of two brand new maps available to download at launch.

With dense snow-covered forest restricting vehicle use Nelson Bay will put your infantry combat skills to the test via the Rush game mode whilst Laguna Alta features the classic Conquest mode in a challenging woodland environment where effective use of ATV and infantry-fighting-vehicles will be the key to military supremacy.

Battlefield: Bad Company 2 launches on March 2nd in North America, March 4th in Europe and March 5th in the UK & Ireland.

 

The only outcome was that A, EA made a blatant lie, B, I'm right.

 

No bet, no ban for you.



KungKras on 26 February 2010

I don't mind them giving extras to people buying the game.



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Hawk on 26 February 2010
Kasz216 said:
Hawk said:

Hmmm, I may be missing something.  But that 'extra' is not a cost to the person that bought the game new.  Whether or not it was on the disk, or had to be downloaded later, it is not extra cost to the person who bought it new.  And if it's free DLC content for the life of the game, the person who bought it new, will, over time, get extra content for no cost.

You are missing quite a lot.

For one looking towars the future as well as the present.

As in... other games in the future.

Please explain some more.  I am not sure what you are getting at.  Future games doing this same thing?



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Akvod on 26 February 2010
KungKras said:
I don't mind them giving extras to people buying the game.

THANK YOU! FUCKING THANK-YOU!

 

Somebody has some basic common sense in this thread *hugs*



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Kasz216 on 26 February 2010
Hawk said:
Kasz216 said:
Hawk said:

Hmmm, I may be missing something.  But that 'extra' is not a cost to the person that bought the game new.  Whether or not it was on the disk, or had to be downloaded later, it is not extra cost to the person who bought it new.  And if it's free DLC content for the life of the game, the person who bought it new, will, over time, get extra content for no cost.

You are missing quite a lot.

For one looking towars the future as well as the present.

As in... other games in the future.

Please explain some more.  I am not sure what you are getting at.  Future games doing this same thing?


BFBC 1 updates were free.

BFBC 2 updates are free for new users and 15 dollars for used players.  Who cares it's only for used players.

BFBC3 updates are 15 dollars.  Who cares it was an extra.

 

It goes from given feature to everyone having to pay for it in 2 games.  This move devalues content because it makes it easier to devalue the content more later on.

 



Kasz216 on 26 February 2010
Akvod said:
KungKras said:
I don't mind them giving extras to people buying the game.

THANK YOU! FUCKING THANK-YOU!

 

Somebody has some basic common sense in this thread *hugs*

If only it were you... since you don't seem to understand that the term "extra" is fairly meaningless in this case. 

Once again... you see it as a big difference that content is available online day 1 then the disc?

If I were to say release Uncharted 3... with the online mode as an "extra download" day 1... am i really giving people an extra?



sapient on 26 February 2010

As long as it is OPTIONAL content I see no problem with this strategy.



 

JaggedSac on 26 February 2010
Kasz216 said:
Hawk said:
Kasz216 said:
Hawk said:

Hmmm, I may be missing something.  But that 'extra' is not a cost to the person that bought the game new.  Whether or not it was on the disk, or had to be downloaded later, it is not extra cost to the person who bought it new.  And if it's free DLC content for the life of the game, the person who bought it new, will, over time, get extra content for no cost.

You are missing quite a lot.

For one looking towars the future as well as the present.

As in... other games in the future.

Please explain some more.  I am not sure what you are getting at.  Future games doing this same thing?


BFBC 1 updates were free.

BFBC 2 updates are free for new users and 15 dollars for used players.  Who cares it's only for used players.

BFBC3 updates are 15 dollars.  Who cares it was an extra.

 

It goes from given feature to everyone having to pay for it in 2 games.  This move devalues content because it makes it easier to devalue the content more later on.

 

Most games already skipped 1 and 2.



KungKras on 26 February 2010
Kasz216 said:
Akvod said:
KungKras said:
I don't mind them giving extras to people buying the game.

THANK YOU! FUCKING THANK-YOU!

 

Somebody has some basic common sense in this thread *hugs*

If only it were you... since you don't seem to understand that the term "extra" is fairly meaningless in this case. 

Once again... you see it as a big difference that content is available online day 1 then the disc?

If I were to say release Uncharted 3... with the online mode as an "extra download" day 1... am i really giving people an extra?

Online mode is something that is a part of the game as a whole and therefore should be on the disc no matter what. I think companies complaining about used game sales is pathetic since good games are kept. 

But if this map pack would be DLC anyway and DICE decides to give it to me for free if I buy the game new, I see it as a win-win situation. It's not like I really miss out on something important if I buy the game used.



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