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Icyedge on 23 February 2010
Skeeuk said:
Cheebee said:

It wasn't there day one 'cos Nintendo, unlike certain other companies, like to make a profit from day one, and sensors like the one in Motion Plus weren't financially feasible back then. You can read up on it, just Google it. And no, there are no demos for writing with WM+, as far as I know. Why would there be? Are you going to write letters or play a game? But hey, if you wanted to, I'm sure you could. Like I said, WM+ is 1:1. How can Sony's thing be better than 1:1? Both devices use different methods, but apparently get the same level of results, which are 1:1 motion controls. That's the best it's going to be, there's nothing beyond 1:1.

That's why I responded, I want nothing to do with this whole 'flop-or-juggernaut-discussion-thing-war'

Seriously though, you're right, there's practically zero known about the thing, apart from the occasional PR stuff, which obviously should be taken with a grain of salt like most PR stuff, regardless of company or product. So people shouldn't call it a flop, nor should they say it'll be a huge success. We'll just have to wait and see.

just a quick question re: the dig you just made.

what has the extra profits brought to you? wheres the games?

Lol, I was wandering the same thing, but Cheebee is not trolling like the others tho.



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jneul on 23 February 2010
Cheebee said:
jneul said:
Cheebee said:
jneul said:

Your getting this all wrong, the fact that wii motion controls was not precise enough for me, frustrated me, and as a result I do not play on the mini games, not when you can do a simple flick of the wrist and get a stike on bowling, it is just plain stupid, that is not would happen in real life, now for games like zelda, it's more fun admitedly.

Ps motion controls will be more precise so games like golf, fps, rpg, rts, etc can be even more now with this extra precision.

Wii controls are nothing more than to get intermediate users into gaming, as simple as that, ps motion controls are more advanced users, who require so much more than that, becuase we need a challenge!!

I don't mean to get in the middle of all this, but I'm seriously amazed at all the people who keep saying stuff like the above. Have none of you heard of a little thing called Wii Motion Plus? It's 1:1. Yeah, the original Wii remote wasn't as precise. That's why Nintendo gave us Motion Plus.

How all you guys can keep going on about how PS3's motion controller will be superior and more precise is beyond me. Moreso because none of you all have ever played with it. Heck, there haven't even been any games shown, just some tech demos. You can't get more precise than 1:1. You think it's going to be 2:1 or something? So far, Sony's controller hasn't even had a Nunchuk-like attachment announced, effectively greatly limiting its use and appeal. That wouldn't really make it better than Wii's controls. So, tell me, how exactly is it going to be superior, apart from graphics? Because PR guys say so?

It's great if people are enthusiastic about something they like or look forward too, but don't go around spouting nonsensical comments without any shred of foundation or proof. Especially when simple facts contradict your statements.

yes i heard of it, it should have been there day 1 end of story, and the ps motion controls are still more precise than it, can you write using wii motion plus, because i don't remember seeing any demo's for that, that is exactly how precise ps motion controls are.

anyway like you said there is no proof(apart from the e3 showings and that was ages ago), so people should not even be saying it is going to flop or fail, that is why i was backing it up, can't we just all enjoy our games without resorting to such levels??

It wasn't there day one 'cos Nintendo, unlike certain other companies, like to make a profit from day one, and sensors like the one in Motion Plus weren't financially feasible back then. You can read up on it, just Google it. And no, there are no demos for writing with WM+, as far as I know. Why would there be? Are you going to write letters or play a game? But hey, if you wanted to, I'm sure you could. Like I said, WM+ is 1:1. How can Sony's thing be better than 1:1? Both devices use different methods, but apparently get the same level of results, which are 1:1 motion controls. That's the best it's going to be, there's nothing beyond 1:1.

That's why I responded, I want nothing to do with this whole 'flop-or-juggernaut-discussion-thing-war'

Seriously though, you're right, there's practically zero known about the thing, apart from the occasional PR stuff, which obviously should be taken with a grain of salt like most PR stuff, regardless of company or product. So people shouldn't call it a flop, nor should they say it'll be a huge success. We'll just have to wait and see.

Yeah i know what you mean it was expensive your right, it just upset me when they brought it out as add on, and i really dont think even motion plus gives it true 1:1 control, which i said ps motion controls will be better, they advertise it as 1:1, but i played on wii sports resort, and to be honest, I really was not that impressed, but each to their own...

About the writing demo, it was just to show how precise it was, no one is obviously going to use it for that.

Thanks for being understanding, and discussing things sensibly.

 



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Skeeuk on 23 February 2010

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leave them be, they will be proven wrong soon. and fade away as always.



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Cheebee on 23 February 2010
Skeeuk said:
PhalanxCO said:

So it's more precise because you can write with it???  Maybe you haven't seen any demos of that with WM+ because no one cares.  Besides, the pointer pretty much takes care of that anyway.  Play Trauma Center sometime.  The refresh rate of the camera is going to make quick motions (like in Red Steel 2) less precise than the proven tech of accelerometers and gyroscopes.


yes the arc from tech demos looks more precise.

How so? I've seen all demos that were done with Sony's controller, and I don't see how it's more precise. It's 1:1, apparently. So is Wii Motion Plus. Like I said, there's nothing beyond 1:1, it's the best motion controls can get. So, tell me, finally, HOW is it more precise? I'm just curious.



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Cheebee on 23 February 2010
jneul said:
Cheebee said:

It wasn't there day one 'cos Nintendo, unlike certain other companies, like to make a profit from day one, and sensors like the one in Motion Plus weren't financially feasible back then. You can read up on it, just Google it. And no, there are no demos for writing with WM+, as far as I know. Why would there be? Are you going to write letters or play a game? But hey, if you wanted to, I'm sure you could. Like I said, WM+ is 1:1. How can Sony's thing be better than 1:1? Both devices use different methods, but apparently get the same level of results, which are 1:1 motion controls. That's the best it's going to be, there's nothing beyond 1:1.

That's why I responded, I want nothing to do with this whole 'flop-or-juggernaut-discussion-thing-war'

Seriously though, you're right, there's practically zero known about the thing, apart from the occasional PR stuff, which obviously should be taken with a grain of salt like most PR stuff, regardless of company or product. So people shouldn't call it a flop, nor should they say it'll be a huge success. We'll just have to wait and see.

Yeah i know what you mean it was expensive your right, it just upset me when they brought it out as add on, and i really dont think even motion plus gives it true 1:1 control, which i said ps motion controls will be better, they advertise it as 1:1, but i played on wii sports resort, and to be honest, I really was not that impressed, but each to their own...

About the writing demo, it was just to show how precise it was, no one is obviously going to use it for that.

Thanks for being understanding, and discussing things sensibly.

 

It is expensive, you're right about that. But it's bundled with a lot of games that require it, so that's okay with me. From what I read in developer interviews, in games like Grand Slam Tennis and Wii Sports Resort, they actually toned down the motion sensing so as to make the gameplay more accessible to gamers. In fact, I remember from a developer of GS Tennis, he said WM+ was actually, and I quote, 'too precise', and that they therefore had to modify the controls to make them more accessible. I'm too lazy to look it up, but you can probably find it easily if you Google.

Obviously, the people who play the game aren't professional tennis players, or sword fighters or whatever. If they kept things 100% realistic, the games would be largely unplayable, or just way too hard for the average gamer. I can guarantee you they'll do the same for PS3 games, its just very logical to do it.

Anyway, yeah you're welcome, I try not to get into flame wars or 'product A is better than B because I said so-discussions'. They're pointless, really. It's just that sometimes I need to address some points if I feel they're obviously flawed. But we can all do so in a civilized manner without resorting to trolling.

 

Edit, @ skeeuk: the games? Well, I'm very pleased with the games they've provided, so far. Sure there's a lot of casual stuff, but that's the reason Wii (and DS for that matter) became so popular, and that's exactly why both Sony and Microsoft are now releasing their respective motion controllers, which will also get these kind of games. And there's more than enough 'core' games to keep me more than satisfied. In fact, there are more games I'd like than I can afford, really.



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bazmeistergen on 23 February 2010
Skeeuk said:
reading some replies theres some cheesed of people in here who clearly havent got any good games to play. lol.

OT i hope both the arc and natal are a big success, and hopefully draw consumers into consoles that are far better gaming consoles.

What a silly comment. You're taking part in this thread as much as others, so this must mean you have no good games to play either.

The Wii is an excellent gaming console. Millions of people agree.

The PS3 and 360 are excellent gaming consoles as well, but they have not interested me at all yet. Now, if Natal is any good I might have a look, but the wand having slightly better depth perception is not going to have a tremendous effect on games nor is it going to entice me to buy a PS3, but those of you that have one I hope you enjoy the new control system.



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WilliamWatts on 23 February 2010
jneul said:
WilliamWatts said:

Heavy Rain isn't worth anything as far as innovation. If an earthquake happens and CNN doesn't cover it, the earthquake didn't happen. To be frank I played a few similar games way back when CDs came into vogue so really its just an evolution on those choose your own story movie games. What innovation exactly is there? A different spin on the same genres? A WRPG / FPS / Sports game? Or a JRPG / Exercise / Quiz show?

Innovation is just a word for people to slap onto tired game concepts in order to make them look new and fresh. The key point is that the Wiimote was innovative when it was released. No console maker had dared made a console with such an interface as the standard interface and its innovation that worked. Innovation which isn't copied isn't worth much as innovation which is. The fact that 100% of the industry is now following proves its real innovation and not some snarky gimmick.

Bottom line is we need games like Wii Fit to expand gaming, we don't need and have never needed little niche games which do nothing overall. If Heavy rain was wiped from history it wouldn't make much difference, but without games like Wii Fit, Mario Kart and Wii Sports gaming would be a very different picture.

allright now you crossed the line, Heavy Rain is innovative, whether you like it or not, and most reviewer's and people who have played on the demo have already confirmed this fact, you are in denial, and need to go play on your Wii if you love it so much??

also most people don't play on Wii-Fit for more than 30mins at a time yet people still buy it, guess that is one of your argument's out of the window...

Its just the same old 'gimmicky' motion controls which everyones railed the Wii on for the past 3 years + a choose your own adventure movie/game story line plucked from the mid 90s. So whether or not they implement them well is irrelevant as reviewers have short memories and limited perspectives. I have played the game demo and I am buying the game, but it doesn't stop me from calling it as I see it.

 

youve summed up the wii perfectly, thats the reason its so successful, it has games that are just casual 30mins put away.

but i think your wrong, core games can have motion controls we will see plenty of them at e3 on arc and natal.

 

Core games where you get tired from using the remote control? The Wii does it better due to the fact the camera is in the controller so small movements can replace big sweeping motions if you're using the pointer.

if your such a nintendo supporter, and you keep coming in sony forums, how come the game quality on wii is lower than ps3.

sorry but your just spewing bullshit as usual, if arc is shit because of one2one then wimoteplus must also be shit, not to mention hardly any games out for it.........

I also own a PS3 and Xbox 360 and gaming PC. You don't get it, the pointer is not 1:1 on the Wii which makes it better than the 1:1 pointer action on the Arc.



NiKKoM on 23 February 2010

Let them fix that first... please..

 



 

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Icyedge on 23 February 2010
Cheebee said:
Skeeuk said:
PhalanxCO said:

So it's more precise because you can write with it???  Maybe you haven't seen any demos of that with WM+ because no one cares.  Besides, the pointer pretty much takes care of that anyway.  Play Trauma Center sometime.  The refresh rate of the camera is going to make quick motions (like in Red Steel 2) less precise than the proven tech of accelerometers and gyroscopes.


yes the arc from tech demos looks more precise.

How so? I've seen all demos that were done with Sony's controller, and I don't see how it's more precise. It's 1:1, apparently. So is Wii Motion Plus. Like I said, there's nothing beyond 1:1, it's the best motion controls can get. So, tell me, finally, HOW is it more precise? I'm just curious.

You didnt get back about the depth sensing. To my understanding it seems like wii motion + is not as precise as the Arc on this point, or is it?



A Bad Clown on 23 February 2010

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