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WilliamWatts said:
jneul said:
WilliamWatts said:
jneul said:

that's how i feel about all of your biased opinions, i hope ps controls prove you wrong.

 

I hope it proves you and all your biased opinions wrong times infinity!!!!

how old are you??

I already own a wii, so I know that I am going to like the new PS motion controls whether you like it or not it will bring new things to the table for Playstation, I can see then implemeting the controls into a WRPG, it would not be that hard, and it would be so much better than using a dualshock controller.

Its a major devolution of the Wii mote concept and not the other way around. You can't rest the Arc on your knee and use small motions because the idiots at Sony thought 1:1 pointing motions will be cool. So try playing any game like Resident evil 4 on the Wii with your arm raised for the whole time and see how that feels, do it for about 3 hours because core games like to play for long periods right? I dare you to go do it right now and then come back to me and say that everything is cool and you'll love the new interface. The IR camera in the Wiimote is better because you can use it resting on your knee and small rotations of your hand have greater effects. See Nintendo are smarter than people give them credit for and even with over 5 years to look at the technology Sony still can't get it right.

So in short Arc = useless for core games, it'd be pretty cool for minigames and games which you play for like 30 mins and put away.

 

youve summed up the wii perfectly, thats the reason its so successful, it has games that are just casual 30mins put away.

but i think your wrong, core games can have motion controls we will see plenty of them at e3 on arc and natal.



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WilliamWatts said:
Icyedge said:
WilliamWatts said:

Thats like such a 100% strawman argument. If I thought everythings crap until proved otherwise then yeah I would say Natal is shit. However since I've not seen the real implementation of it I have to reserve judgement. Arc on the other hand was proved shit on first view. The motion pointer which is a significant component of the interface would be tiring to use thanks to the 1:1 interface. So whilst you can rest your hands with the Wiimote you don't get this opportunity with Arc. Since Arc is proved shit, Natal is unknown and neither proved to be crap or not then I have to go with Natal over the Arc for the time being. 

Nintendo shall always prevail but either they will both suck or just the Arc will suck because the Arc is just a bad knockoff of the Wiimote and takes whatever flaws the Wiimote has and prodigiously adds to them.

Nintendo, they are god and shall always prevail lol. Arc is just a bad knockoff, it is going to flop lol. Why dont you stop posting in the Sony forum? After all, its pretty obvious you dont like Sony. Am I posting in the Nintendo forum to talk shit about it? no!

Because this topic was on the hot topics list. I don't go into the Sony forums I just pick interesting topics.


if your such a nintendo supporter, and you keep coming in sony forums, how come the game quality on wii is lower than ps3.

sorry but your just spewing bullshit as usual, if arc is shit because of one2one then wimoteplus must also be shit, not to mention hardly any games out for it.........



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Skeeuk said:
WilliamWatts said:
Icyedge said:
WilliamWatts said:

Thats like such a 100% strawman argument. If I thought everythings crap until proved otherwise then yeah I would say Natal is shit. However since I've not seen the real implementation of it I have to reserve judgement. Arc on the other hand was proved shit on first view. The motion pointer which is a significant component of the interface would be tiring to use thanks to the 1:1 interface. So whilst you can rest your hands with the Wiimote you don't get this opportunity with Arc. Since Arc is proved shit, Natal is unknown and neither proved to be crap or not then I have to go with Natal over the Arc for the time being. 

Nintendo shall always prevail but either they will both suck or just the Arc will suck because the Arc is just a bad knockoff of the Wiimote and takes whatever flaws the Wiimote has and prodigiously adds to them.

Nintendo, they are god and shall always prevail lol. Arc is just a bad knockoff, it is going to flop lol. Why dont you stop posting in the Sony forum? After all, its pretty obvious you dont like Sony. Am I posting in the Nintendo forum to talk shit about it? no!

Because this topic was on the hot topics list. I don't go into the Sony forums I just pick interesting topics.


if your such a nintendo supporter, and you keep coming in sony forums, how come the game quality on wii is lower than ps3.

sorry but your just spewing bullshit as usual, if arc is shit because of one2one then wimoteplus must also be shit, not to mention hardly any games out for it.........

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jneul said:
Cheebee said:
jneul said:

Your getting this all wrong, the fact that wii motion controls was not precise enough for me, frustrated me, and as a result I do not play on the mini games, not when you can do a simple flick of the wrist and get a stike on bowling, it is just plain stupid, that is not would happen in real life, now for games like zelda, it's more fun admitedly.

Ps motion controls will be more precise so games like golf, fps, rpg, rts, etc can be even more now with this extra precision.

Wii controls are nothing more than to get intermediate users into gaming, as simple as that, ps motion controls are more advanced users, who require so much more than that, becuase we need a challenge!!

I don't mean to get in the middle of all this, but I'm seriously amazed at all the people who keep saying stuff like the above. Have none of you heard of a little thing called Wii Motion Plus? It's 1:1. Yeah, the original Wii remote wasn't as precise. That's why Nintendo gave us Motion Plus.

How all you guys can keep going on about how PS3's motion controller will be superior and more precise is beyond me. Moreso because none of you all have ever played with it. Heck, there haven't even been any games shown, just some tech demos. You can't get more precise than 1:1. You think it's going to be 2:1 or something? So far, Sony's controller hasn't even had a Nunchuk-like attachment announced, effectively greatly limiting its use and appeal. That wouldn't really make it better than Wii's controls. So, tell me, how exactly is it going to be superior, apart from graphics? Because PR guys say so?

It's great if people are enthusiastic about something they like or look forward too, but don't go around spouting nonsensical comments without any shred of foundation or proof. Especially when simple facts contradict your statements.

yes i heard of it, it should have been there day 1 end of story, and the ps motion controls are still more precise than it, can you write using wii motion plus, because i don't remember seeing any demo's for that, that is exactly how precise ps motion controls are.

anyway like you said there is no proof(apart from the e3 showings and that was ages ago), so people should not even be saying it is going to flop or fail, that is why i was backing it up, can't we just all enjoy our games without resorting to such levels??

So it's more precise because you can write with it???  Maybe you haven't seen any demos of that with WM+ because no one cares.  Besides, the pointer pretty much takes care of that anyway.  Play Trauma Center sometime.  The refresh rate of the camera is going to make quick motions (like in Red Steel 2) less precise than the proven tech of accelerometers and gyroscopes.



jneul said:
Cheebee said:
jneul said:

Your getting this all wrong, the fact that wii motion controls was not precise enough for me, frustrated me, and as a result I do not play on the mini games, not when you can do a simple flick of the wrist and get a stike on bowling, it is just plain stupid, that is not would happen in real life, now for games like zelda, it's more fun admitedly.

Ps motion controls will be more precise so games like golf, fps, rpg, rts, etc can be even more now with this extra precision.

Wii controls are nothing more than to get intermediate users into gaming, as simple as that, ps motion controls are more advanced users, who require so much more than that, becuase we need a challenge!!

I don't mean to get in the middle of all this, but I'm seriously amazed at all the people who keep saying stuff like the above. Have none of you heard of a little thing called Wii Motion Plus? It's 1:1. Yeah, the original Wii remote wasn't as precise. That's why Nintendo gave us Motion Plus.

How all you guys can keep going on about how PS3's motion controller will be superior and more precise is beyond me. Moreso because none of you all have ever played with it. Heck, there haven't even been any games shown, just some tech demos. You can't get more precise than 1:1. You think it's going to be 2:1 or something? So far, Sony's controller hasn't even had a Nunchuk-like attachment announced, effectively greatly limiting its use and appeal. That wouldn't really make it better than Wii's controls. So, tell me, how exactly is it going to be superior, apart from graphics? Because PR guys say so?

It's great if people are enthusiastic about something they like or look forward too, but don't go around spouting nonsensical comments without any shred of foundation or proof. Especially when simple facts contradict your statements.

yes i heard of it, it should have been there day 1 end of story, and the ps motion controls are still more precise than it, can you write using wii motion plus, because i don't remember seeing any demo's for that, that is exactly how precise ps motion controls are.

anyway like you said there is no proof(apart from the e3 showings and that was ages ago), so people should not even be saying it is going to flop or fail, that is why i was backing it up, can't we just all enjoy our games without resorting to such levels??

It wasn't there day one 'cos Nintendo, unlike certain other companies, like to make a profit from day one, and sensors like the one in Motion Plus weren't financially feasible back then. You can read up on it, just Google it. And no, there are no demos for writing with WM+, as far as I know. Why would there be? Are you going to write letters or play a game? But hey, if you wanted to, I'm sure you could. Like I said, WM+ is 1:1. How can Sony's thing be better than 1:1? Both devices use different methods, but apparently get the same level of results, which are 1:1 motion controls. That's the best it's going to be, there's nothing beyond 1:1.

That's why I responded, I want nothing to do with this whole 'flop-or-juggernaut-discussion-thing-war'

Seriously though, you're right, there's practically zero known about the thing, apart from the occasional PR stuff, which obviously should be taken with a grain of salt like most PR stuff, regardless of company or product. So people shouldn't call it a flop, nor should they say it'll be a huge success. We'll just have to wait and see.



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PhalanxCO said:
jneul said:
Cheebee said:
jneul said:

Your getting this all wrong, the fact that wii motion controls was not precise enough for me, frustrated me, and as a result I do not play on the mini games, not when you can do a simple flick of the wrist and get a stike on bowling, it is just plain stupid, that is not would happen in real life, now for games like zelda, it's more fun admitedly.

Ps motion controls will be more precise so games like golf, fps, rpg, rts, etc can be even more now with this extra precision.

Wii controls are nothing more than to get intermediate users into gaming, as simple as that, ps motion controls are more advanced users, who require so much more than that, becuase we need a challenge!!

I don't mean to get in the middle of all this, but I'm seriously amazed at all the people who keep saying stuff like the above. Have none of you heard of a little thing called Wii Motion Plus? It's 1:1. Yeah, the original Wii remote wasn't as precise. That's why Nintendo gave us Motion Plus.

How all you guys can keep going on about how PS3's motion controller will be superior and more precise is beyond me. Moreso because none of you all have ever played with it. Heck, there haven't even been any games shown, just some tech demos. You can't get more precise than 1:1. You think it's going to be 2:1 or something? So far, Sony's controller hasn't even had a Nunchuk-like attachment announced, effectively greatly limiting its use and appeal. That wouldn't really make it better than Wii's controls. So, tell me, how exactly is it going to be superior, apart from graphics? Because PR guys say so?

It's great if people are enthusiastic about something they like or look forward too, but don't go around spouting nonsensical comments without any shred of foundation or proof. Especially when simple facts contradict your statements.

yes i heard of it, it should have been there day 1 end of story, and the ps motion controls are still more precise than it, can you write using wii motion plus, because i don't remember seeing any demo's for that, that is exactly how precise ps motion controls are.

anyway like you said there is no proof(apart from the e3 showings and that was ages ago), so people should not even be saying it is going to flop or fail, that is why i was backing it up, can't we just all enjoy our games without resorting to such levels??

So it's more precise because you can write with it???  Maybe you haven't seen any demos of that with WM+ because no one cares.  Besides, the pointer pretty much takes care of that anyway.  Play Trauma Center sometime.  The refresh rate of the camera is going to make quick motions (like in Red Steel 2) less precise than the proven tech of accelerometers and gyroscopes.


yes the arc from tech demos looks more precise.



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PhalanxCO said:
jneul said:
Cheebee said:
jneul said:

Your getting this all wrong, the fact that wii motion controls was not precise enough for me, frustrated me, and as a result I do not play on the mini games, not when you can do a simple flick of the wrist and get a stike on bowling, it is just plain stupid, that is not would happen in real life, now for games like zelda, it's more fun admitedly.

Ps motion controls will be more precise so games like golf, fps, rpg, rts, etc can be even more now with this extra precision.

Wii controls are nothing more than to get intermediate users into gaming, as simple as that, ps motion controls are more advanced users, who require so much more than that, becuase we need a challenge!!

I don't mean to get in the middle of all this, but I'm seriously amazed at all the people who keep saying stuff like the above. Have none of you heard of a little thing called Wii Motion Plus? It's 1:1. Yeah, the original Wii remote wasn't as precise. That's why Nintendo gave us Motion Plus.

How all you guys can keep going on about how PS3's motion controller will be superior and more precise is beyond me. Moreso because none of you all have ever played with it. Heck, there haven't even been any games shown, just some tech demos. You can't get more precise than 1:1. You think it's going to be 2:1 or something? So far, Sony's controller hasn't even had a Nunchuk-like attachment announced, effectively greatly limiting its use and appeal. That wouldn't really make it better than Wii's controls. So, tell me, how exactly is it going to be superior, apart from graphics? Because PR guys say so?

It's great if people are enthusiastic about something they like or look forward too, but don't go around spouting nonsensical comments without any shred of foundation or proof. Especially when simple facts contradict your statements.

yes i heard of it, it should have been there day 1 end of story, and the ps motion controls are still more precise than it, can you write using wii motion plus, because i don't remember seeing any demo's for that, that is exactly how precise ps motion controls are.

anyway like you said there is no proof(apart from the e3 showings and that was ages ago), so people should not even be saying it is going to flop or fail, that is why i was backing it up, can't we just all enjoy our games without resorting to such levels??

So it's more precise because you can write with it???  Maybe you haven't seen any demos of that with WM+ because no one cares.  Besides, the pointer pretty much takes care of that anyway.  Play Trauma Center sometime.  The refresh rate of the camera is going to make quick motions (like in Red Steel 2) less precise than the proven tech of accelerometers and gyroscopes.

If you would be inform, you would know that Sony arc is extremely precise and doesnt suffer from any drawback due to the camera refresh rate. Also Arc has accelerometers and gyroscopes, the camera and ball is for the sense of depth. Good job at trolling tho.



Cheebee said:
jneul said:
Cheebee said:
jneul said:

Your getting this all wrong, the fact that wii motion controls was not precise enough for me, frustrated me, and as a result I do not play on the mini games, not when you can do a simple flick of the wrist and get a stike on bowling, it is just plain stupid, that is not would happen in real life, now for games like zelda, it's more fun admitedly.

Ps motion controls will be more precise so games like golf, fps, rpg, rts, etc can be even more now with this extra precision.

Wii controls are nothing more than to get intermediate users into gaming, as simple as that, ps motion controls are more advanced users, who require so much more than that, becuase we need a challenge!!

I don't mean to get in the middle of all this, but I'm seriously amazed at all the people who keep saying stuff like the above. Have none of you heard of a little thing called Wii Motion Plus? It's 1:1. Yeah, the original Wii remote wasn't as precise. That's why Nintendo gave us Motion Plus.

How all you guys can keep going on about how PS3's motion controller will be superior and more precise is beyond me. Moreso because none of you all have ever played with it. Heck, there haven't even been any games shown, just some tech demos. You can't get more precise than 1:1. You think it's going to be 2:1 or something? So far, Sony's controller hasn't even had a Nunchuk-like attachment announced, effectively greatly limiting its use and appeal. That wouldn't really make it better than Wii's controls. So, tell me, how exactly is it going to be superior, apart from graphics? Because PR guys say so?

It's great if people are enthusiastic about something they like or look forward too, but don't go around spouting nonsensical comments without any shred of foundation or proof. Especially when simple facts contradict your statements.

yes i heard of it, it should have been there day 1 end of story, and the ps motion controls are still more precise than it, can you write using wii motion plus, because i don't remember seeing any demo's for that, that is exactly how precise ps motion controls are.

anyway like you said there is no proof(apart from the e3 showings and that was ages ago), so people should not even be saying it is going to flop or fail, that is why i was backing it up, can't we just all enjoy our games without resorting to such levels??

It wasn't there day one 'cos Nintendo, unlike certain other companies, like to make a profit from day one, and sensors like the one in Motion Plus weren't financially feasible back then. You can read up on it, just Google it. And no, there are no demos for writing with WM+, as far as I know. Why would there be? Are you going to write letters or play a game? But hey, if you wanted to, I'm sure you could. Like I said, WM+ is 1:1. How can Sony's thing be better than 1:1? Both devices use different methods, but apparently get the same level of results, which are 1:1 motion controls. That's the best it's going to be, there's nothing beyond 1:1.

That's why I responded, I want nothing to do with this whole 'flop-or-juggernaut-discussion-thing-war'

Seriously though, you're right, there's practically zero known about the thing, apart from the occasional PR stuff, which obviously should be taken with a grain of salt like most PR stuff, regardless of company or product. So people shouldn't call it a flop, nor should they say it'll be a huge success. We'll just have to wait and see.

just a quick question re: the dig you just made.

what has the extra profits brought to you? wheres the games?



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Cheebee said:
jneul said:
Cheebee said:
jneul said:

Your getting this all wrong, the fact that wii motion controls was not precise enough for me, frustrated me, and as a result I do not play on the mini games, not when you can do a simple flick of the wrist and get a stike on bowling, it is just plain stupid, that is not would happen in real life, now for games like zelda, it's more fun admitedly.

Ps motion controls will be more precise so games like golf, fps, rpg, rts, etc can be even more now with this extra precision.

Wii controls are nothing more than to get intermediate users into gaming, as simple as that, ps motion controls are more advanced users, who require so much more than that, becuase we need a challenge!!

I don't mean to get in the middle of all this, but I'm seriously amazed at all the people who keep saying stuff like the above. Have none of you heard of a little thing called Wii Motion Plus? It's 1:1. Yeah, the original Wii remote wasn't as precise. That's why Nintendo gave us Motion Plus.

How all you guys can keep going on about how PS3's motion controller will be superior and more precise is beyond me. Moreso because none of you all have ever played with it. Heck, there haven't even been any games shown, just some tech demos. You can't get more precise than 1:1. You think it's going to be 2:1 or something? So far, Sony's controller hasn't even had a Nunchuk-like attachment announced, effectively greatly limiting its use and appeal. That wouldn't really make it better than Wii's controls. So, tell me, how exactly is it going to be superior, apart from graphics? Because PR guys say so?

It's great if people are enthusiastic about something they like or look forward too, but don't go around spouting nonsensical comments without any shred of foundation or proof. Especially when simple facts contradict your statements.

yes i heard of it, it should have been there day 1 end of story, and the ps motion controls are still more precise than it, can you write using wii motion plus, because i don't remember seeing any demo's for that, that is exactly how precise ps motion controls are.

anyway like you said there is no proof(apart from the e3 showings and that was ages ago), so people should not even be saying it is going to flop or fail, that is why i was backing it up, can't we just all enjoy our games without resorting to such levels??

It wasn't there day one 'cos Nintendo, unlike certain other companies, like to make a profit from day one, and sensors like the one in Motion Plus weren't financially feasible back then. You can read up on it, just Google it. And no, there are no demos for writing with WM+, as far as I know. Why would there be? Are you going to write letters or play a game? But hey, if you wanted to, I'm sure you could. Like I said, WM+ is 1:1. How can Sony's thing be better than 1:1? Both devices use different methods, but apparently get the same level of results, which are 1:1 motion controls. That's the best it's going to be, there's nothing beyond 1:1.

That's why I responded, I want nothing to do with this whole 'flop-or-juggernaut-discussion-thing-war'

Seriously though, you're right, there's practically zero known about the thing, apart from the occasional PR stuff, which obviously should be taken with a grain of salt like most PR stuff, regardless of company or product. So people shouldn't call it a flop, nor should they say it'll be a huge success. We'll just have to wait and see.

Its also 1:1 in depth sensing, correct me but Wii motion + doesnt do that right?



reading some replies theres some cheesed of people in here who clearly havent got any good games to play. lol.

OT i hope both the arc and natal are a big success, and hopefully draw consumers into consoles that are far better gaming consoles.



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