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jesus kung fu magic on 23 February 2010

This always happens in a positive 360 thread.....



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demitri55 on 23 February 2010

wow 200-plus-AI on screen single player? wow truly remarkable. no one else did that. and thats if he's telling the truth

grand theft auto 4

MAG 256 players ONLINE

resistance single player and online co-op



Tanstalas on 23 February 2010
demitri55 said:

wow 200-plus-AI on screen single player? wow truly remarkable. no one else did that. and thats if he's telling the truth

grand theft auto 4

MAG 256 players ONLINE

resistance single player and online co-op

I will give props to this claim though, as 200 AI would stress the CPU a lot harder than having 256 live players.

The CPU is basically telling 200 PC controlled players how to act, think and re-act to their environments.

Granted, I have seen a lot of live players with less AI than AI :)

This kid included:

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=101974&page=1#



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Garnett on 23 February 2010
demitri55 said:

wow 200-plus-AI on screen single player? wow truly remarkable. no one else did that. and thats if he's telling the truth

grand theft auto 4 (No more than 40 AI characters on screen at once, they just respawn them over and over again)

MAG 256 players ONLINE (256 different PS3's and you never see all 256)

resistance single player and online co-op (Resistance 2 never had 200 AI on screen, the AI they did have was stupid)

 



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deskpro2k3 on 23 February 2010
Hisiru said:
Feylic said:
Hisiru said:
Feylic said:
 

So.. how do you know what type of "AI" they are talking about? All the characters in that video use some sort of AI, they react to player actions, thats what AI is. So the AI that these guys are talking about could be the exact same.

We are talking about Halo, so of course they will use a good AI, just look at Halo 3 ODST. Also, you can simply watch the Vidoc, so you will have your answer.

It probably will be good, but that doesn't mean it's some magical AI that is vastly different from something used in Heavenly Sword, or any other game. AI works in pretty much the same way in every game.

It IS vastly different from something used in Heavenly Sword. In Heavenly Sword the enemies are just stupid characters trying to attack you and sometimes they will be standing in front of you without doing anything (even if they have the chance to attack you), so you can easily kill the enemies because they are simply zombies. In Halo the enemies are always moving and searching for some kind of wall, so they will be protected by the wall, in this case they are really trying to survive AND attack you at the same time. You can't even compare. And now, the AI is even more improved according to Bungie.

 

If it can top the AI in here, I'll be impressed. All in all honesty, I dont think halo reach can do that.



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PearlJam on 23 February 2010

deskpro2k3, what exactly did you hope to accomplish by posting this video? There's nothing special about it, it's pretty standard FPS stuff. KZ2's biggest strength is it's physics, which the PS3 is better at than the 360. But for AI the 360 actually has the advantage because of the 3 symmetrical cores, SPUs aren't well suited for AI.



deskpro2k3 on 23 February 2010

@PearlJam

Than show me a game with better AI on the 360. Something better than what I just shown.



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Hisiru on 23 February 2010
deskpro2k3 said:
Hisiru said:
Feylic said:
Hisiru said:
Feylic said:
 

So.. how do you know what type of "AI" they are talking about? All the characters in that video use some sort of AI, they react to player actions, thats what AI is. So the AI that these guys are talking about could be the exact same.

We are talking about Halo, so of course they will use a good AI, just look at Halo 3 ODST. Also, you can simply watch the Vidoc, so you will have your answer.

It probably will be good, but that doesn't mean it's some magical AI that is vastly different from something used in Heavenly Sword, or any other game. AI works in pretty much the same way in every game.

It IS vastly different from something used in Heavenly Sword. In Heavenly Sword the enemies are just stupid characters trying to attack you and sometimes they will be standing in front of you without doing anything (even if they have the chance to attack you), so you can easily kill the enemies because they are simply zombies. In Halo the enemies are always moving and searching for some kind of wall, so they will be protected by the wall, in this case they are really trying to survive AND attack you at the same time. You can't even compare. And now, the AI is even more improved according to Bungie.

 

If it can top the AI in here, I'll be impressed. All in all honesty, I dont think halo reach can do that.

 

And why do you think that Halo can't do that? Any specific reason or you are just trying to make a negative comment on this thread without any logic?

And why do you think that Halo can't do that? Any specific reason or you are just trying to make a negative comment on this thread without any logic?

I don't know why you are using this video because the flaws are very noticeable (look at 3:43, it's extremely stupid).

"EGM Awards Halo 3 “Smartest AI”, Killzone 2 “Dumbest AI”, and Dan Hsu Explains Why"

http://www.gamestooge.com/2007/09/07/egm-awards-halo-3-smartest-ai-killzone-2-dumbest-ai-and-dan-shu-explains-why/ 



deskpro2k3 on 23 February 2010

you know that is a canned propaganda comparison right? i wonder how much they get paid to write that. anyways if you want real AI, lets play a strategy game instead. Star Craft 2 anyone?^^



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Garnett on 23 February 2010
Hisiru said:
deskpro2k3 said:
Hisiru said:
Feylic said:
Hisiru said:
Feylic said:
 

So.. how do you know what type of "AI" they are talking about? All the characters in that video use some sort of AI, they react to player actions, thats what AI is. So the AI that these guys are talking about could be the exact same.

We are talking about Halo, so of course they will use a good AI, just look at Halo 3 ODST. Also, you can simply watch the Vidoc, so you will have your answer.

It probably will be good, but that doesn't mean it's some magical AI that is vastly different from something used in Heavenly Sword, or any other game. AI works in pretty much the same way in every game.

It IS vastly different from something used in Heavenly Sword. In Heavenly Sword the enemies are just stupid characters trying to attack you and sometimes they will be standing in front of you without doing anything (even if they have the chance to attack you), so you can easily kill the enemies because they are simply zombies. In Halo the enemies are always moving and searching for some kind of wall, so they will be protected by the wall, in this case they are really trying to survive AND attack you at the same time. You can't even compare. And now, the AI is even more improved according to Bungie.

 

If it can top the AI in here, I'll be impressed. All in all honesty, I dont think halo reach can do that.

 

And why do you think that Halo can't do that? Any specific reason or you are just trying to make a negative comment on this thread without any logic?

And why do you think that Halo can't do that? Any specific reason or you are just trying to make a negative comment on this thread without any logic?

I don't know why you are using this video because the flaws are very noticeable (look at 3:43, it's extremely stupid).

"EGM Awards Halo 3 “Smartest AI”, Killzone 2 “Dumbest AI”, and Dan Hsu Explains Why"

http://www.gamestooge.com/2007/09/07/egm-awards-halo-3-smartest-ai-killzone-2-dumbest-ai-and-dan-shu-explains-why/ 

LOL!!!!!!!! 

 

You seriously win this thread, that made my day.



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