That's not a serious method to open up for discussion, throwing out ungrounded accusements like that.

But okay.

You think it's okay that the consequences of mass immigration is, for example, that Jews, perfectly fine citizens, have to leave their homes or even their country? Ahh, but it's just like white flight, no biggie.

The birth rate comment doesn't need a rebuttal because it's so ridiculous and false. Basically it's the same as saying that Japan actually will collapse (for anyone who might not know, Japan has a zero immigration policy and very low birth rates).

This is sad that people feel the need to import all of the stupid decisions and conflicts that are happening half a world away. You'd think that these people would be glad that they're far away from all the strife, but instead they act like they're being left out of something special and try to recreate a little piece of conflict that they can participate in.

These clowns are just feeling helpless and angry about how little control they have, so they lash out to feel a little less powerless. What are European jews supposed to do about Israeli policies?

What the hell is this misinformation? Northern Europe is racist?

And Spain" has a major problem with racism" and is largely underpopulated? Do you know that no other country in the West has accepted as many immigrants as Spain in the last two decades? 6.5 million immigrants in 15 years! Spain's population went from 39.5 mill in 1995 to 46 million in 2009, which procentually is a new record in the West post-WW2.

I'd say they have a major problem with immigration rather than racism.

The fact that they have accepted large amounts of immigrants is irelevant. Although Spain has accepted them, most a are white. 1.5 million are actually from Britain and i am also sure that their will be a large number from non muslim non black South American countries such as Argentina and Chile.

They don't have the immigration "melt" that France Britain Germany and other Europ countries has expierienced leabing them still ignorant to people of other origins.

I agree that they're probably on the more racist side of the spectrum of inhabitants in Europe, but those people you refer to are mostly thugs and hooligans.

Besides, racism is out of this topic. Being critical of immigration and it's problems is something completely different.

I agree that the Spaniard's attitude is different and could be described as more racist, but your immigration figures are wrong.

Officially 350K Brits live in Spain, inofficially maybe 1 mill but they aren't included in the 6 million immigrants I quoted.

There's also a huge amount of newly-arrived non-European immigrants of non-Christian religions in Spain. And that's where the controversy lies in Spain, from what I've read.

Then let's hope some of their business companies goes down with it. Or at least one.

No, it's because I've seen you make comments like those before, and it's one of the reasons you have somewhat of a moderation history. Now while I don't approve of immigrants bullying perfectly innocent people who live in a nation, that doesn't mean you should deny immigrants completely. I'll give you an example. Let's say you have a city where there are 10,000 Muslims, 5,000 Jews, and 100,000 people of other religions (mostly Christian). Now, let's say that 1,000 of those Muslims go around and bully the Jewish residents. Would you really deny the other 9,000 Muslims the right to live there, and/or tell them to leave? Of course not. And that's what we're dealing with here. I'm just saying that there have been similar things that have happened in the United States, and that people who were afraid or persecuted moved to other areas (usually suburban). There are still plenty of other regions in Sweden that have very few immigrants, if that's what someone is looking for. And by the way, your Japan rebuttal made me laugh. You mean that the nation that's facing cripping economic and demographic problems, that's up to its eyeballs in debt, and is on the verge of collapse is the best example you could come up with? Besides, I'm not saying that the demographics are a problem now. Much of Europe still has a sizable working population that can support stable economies. But let's take Japan as an example again. By 2050, 1/3 people in Japan will be 65 years or older. How do you think they'll sustain their country with such a population? The answer is that they won't. Same with much of Europe, including Sweden. Whether you like it or not, your country and many others need immigration for various regions. How you deal with the consequences of failure in integration is entirely up to your politicians (who are doing SUCH A GOOD JOB).

Of course yes. I like your example because it's a core thing of the immigration issue. Simply since we can't separate the wheat from the chaff (is that the right saying?), we actually, unfortunately, have to deny entry to the 9,000 innocent people if the 1,000 do too much damage.*

Japan has a stagnating economy, but they're doing just fine. I believe they have a bright future with their current policies. The need of immigration is a big myth used for strategic & political reasons, although immigration can be very beneficial under the right circumstances and conditions.


*EDIT: obviously I don't mean to kick the innocent people out if they're already here, but the principle should be used when you decide about the size of immigration.

Okay, it sounds like you're tip-toeing around the issue here a good bit. Let me give you another example, one very applicable to the United States (a country I believe you like). So here in the U.S., the Italian Mafia used to be a huge part of our criminal underworld. It was composed of the millions of Italian immigrants that came to our country, primarily through New York City. Today, the biggest gang in this country (to my knowledge) is MS-13, a gang composed primarily of people from countries in Latin America, such as El Salvador. Now, should we kick out every Latin American in this country because of the actions of this small minority of people? Should we have done that for Italians? And what should we do (or should have done) about the millions of people from that group already living in the country? Just kick them out? Kick out thousands, even millions of people because of a minority of people? Do you really think it's that simple? 

And no, Japan is not doing fine. They're doing horribly right now, and their future looks to be much, much worse (if that's even possible). I hope they improve (since it's an amazing country for many reasons), but I don't see how they can improve their fortunes too much besides immigration.