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hallowedbeeddie on 19 February 2010

I wish wii could outsell the ps2. but I do see it difficult to achieve. then again I did not think it would outsell the nes



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jneul on 19 February 2010
jarrod said:
jneul said:
Jumpin said:
jneul said:
Guys even I am a PS Fan, but Wii shall outsell PS2 eventually, sorry, you only have to look at the sales of PS2'S first years compare to Wii's, to see that, something big would have to change for Wii for it not to outsell the PS2.
It's like I said PS3 will eventually reach 100m, the reason is because the Wii has caught a different audience, whilst the the hardcore audience that normally has owned PS over the past two generations is currently split.


   The "hardcore 1337" audience are former PC gaming fans. The "casual" audience are console gaming fans, most of which (like myself) owned a PSX and PS2.

No I disagree, whilst the PS has had a mixture of casual and hardcore gamers, the wii is mainly made up of casual gamers. Currently hardcore gamers are split between on x360/ps3, some even chose Wii, hoping to get more core games like RE4.

You can define casual by what kind of games they play and how long they play for, when i play on WiiSports, you do not need to spend very long on there to be satisfied, I only ever play that game for 1-2 hours max which is casual, whereas I if I pop in a game like Demon Souls in the ps3 I could quite happily sit ther playing up to 8 hours which is hardcore.

I know lots of people who was not even interested in gaming that now own a Wii, my mum is such an example, and an example of what she likes is Just Dance and Animal Crossing and Wii Fit, She only plays on it for 1 hour maximum at any time, this is an example of how wii has caught a whole new audience.

 

If you define "hardcore" by time played, then big Wii hits like Mario Kart, Smash Brawl or Monster Hunter indicate a pretty substantial hardcore audience on the platform.  Besides, even "casual" games tend to rack up significant total hours over the long term.  What's more hardcore, playing Wii Sports 1-2 hours max consistently for a year or playing Demon's Souls up to 8 hours at a time for 3 weeks?

Really, Wii's the mixture this gen, but I'd agree that the rise of "casual" buzz has made the markets murkier for the (usually) risk averse industry.  Which is why so many publishers balk and retreat the comparably narrow, predictable focus of the HD twins.

I said by the type of game you play and how long you spend playing it, plus Demon Souls is a 200+ hours game, and does take skill, I would hate to try and complete it in three weeks lol, to each their own opinion, what would you base it on??

I like both kind of casual and core games, just look at my collection, I would not exactly call Eyepet "Hardcore" lol.



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BoneArk on 19 February 2010

I think the Wii could beat the PS2,but, it depends on Nintendo and how long they want it around before the next console.



                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   

jarrod on 19 February 2010
jneul said:
jarrod said:
jneul said:
Jumpin said:
jneul said:
Guys even I am a PS Fan, but Wii shall outsell PS2 eventually, sorry, you only have to look at the sales of PS2'S first years compare to Wii's, to see that, something big would have to change for Wii for it not to outsell the PS2.
It's like I said PS3 will eventually reach 100m, the reason is because the Wii has caught a different audience, whilst the the hardcore audience that normally has owned PS over the past two generations is currently split.


   The "hardcore 1337" audience are former PC gaming fans. The "casual" audience are console gaming fans, most of which (like myself) owned a PSX and PS2.

No I disagree, whilst the PS has had a mixture of casual and hardcore gamers, the wii is mainly made up of casual gamers. Currently hardcore gamers are split between on x360/ps3, some even chose Wii, hoping to get more core games like RE4.

You can define casual by what kind of games they play and how long they play for, when i play on WiiSports, you do not need to spend very long on there to be satisfied, I only ever play that game for 1-2 hours max which is casual, whereas I if I pop in a game like Demon Souls in the ps3 I could quite happily sit ther playing up to 8 hours which is hardcore.

I know lots of people who was not even interested in gaming that now own a Wii, my mum is such an example, and an example of what she likes is Just Dance and Animal Crossing and Wii Fit, She only plays on it for 1 hour maximum at any time, this is an example of how wii has caught a whole new audience.

 

If you define "hardcore" by time played, then big Wii hits like Mario Kart, Smash Brawl or Monster Hunter indicate a pretty substantial hardcore audience on the platform.  Besides, even "casual" games tend to rack up significant total hours over the long term.  What's more hardcore, playing Wii Sports 1-2 hours max consistently for a year or playing Demon's Souls up to 8 hours at a time for 3 weeks?

Really, Wii's the mixture this gen, but I'd agree that the rise of "casual" buzz has made the markets murkier for the (usually) risk averse industry.  Which is why so many publishers balk and retreat the comparably narrow, predictable focus of the HD twins.

I said by the type of game you play and how long you spend playing it, plus Demon Souls is a 200+ hours game, and does take skill, I would hate to try and complete it in three weeks lol, to each their own opinion, what would you base it on??

I like both kind of casual and core games, just look at my collection, I would not exactly call Eyepet "Hardcore" lol.

All games take skill, even casual ones.  Play against a dedicated fan in any PopCap game and you'll find out just how "hardcore" casual games can get. 

Monster Hunter Tri's a 500+ hour game, arguably even more skill based (and less luck based), and it's sold triple what Demon's Souls did in just one market.  Again, I'm not seeing where Wii's the mainly casual machine?  Is Super Mario Bros casual?  Is Smash Bros?  Mario Kart?  Zelda?



jesus kung fu magic on 19 February 2010
Miguel_Zorro said:
KingKold said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
"So you see the key words in the OP is "...by the end of this gen""

Wrong. That's in the title. The claim in the actual OP is that the Wii will stop selling and thus will not outsell the PS2 at all.

That's exactly my point isn't it!

WE know the Wii is gonna continue to sell beyond this gen (the OP creator is dellusional of course)... but at the end of this gen, it may still be behind (for which his/her prediction may still hold true).

How do you know that?  What is that assumption based on?  How many home consoles (not called Playstation) have been left ont he market when the next generation launched?

Every other market leader for their time which includes the NES , SNES and atari......learn something.



N64 is the ONLY console of the fifth generation!!!

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jarrod on 19 February 2010

Even if just Nintendo supports Wii after Wii 2/HD/Plus/Zii/whatever hits, going by their previous "market leading" platform track records bodes well.  Their final NES game came over 4 years after SNES launch.  Their final SNES game over 4 years after N64 launch.  Their final GB game over 2 years after GBA launch.  Their final GBA game over 3 years after DS launch.



Vanbierk on 19 February 2010

I don't count the DS in sales because it cheats, it releases a new (renamed) edition every year or every other year now it seems...What do we have now Nintendo DS, DS Lite, DSi, and DSi XL?



Just waiting for that PS Vita to come out so I can play some full featured games on the go with that beautiful screen and control scheme...

jesus kung fu magic on 19 February 2010
Vanbierk said:
I don't count the DS in sales because it cheats, it releases a new (renamed) edition every year or every other year now it seems...What do we have now Nintendo DS, DS Lite, DSi, and DSi XL?

It cheats?



N64 is the ONLY console of the fifth generation!!!

jarrod on 19 February 2010
Vanbierk said:
I don't count the DS in sales because it cheats, it releases a new (renamed) edition every year or every other year now it seems...What do we have now Nintendo DS, DS Lite, DSi, and DSi XL?

I don't count PS2, it cheated with the slim.  The original PlayStation cheated with PSone. Wii is already the best selling singular console of all time.



Vanbierk on 19 February 2010
jesus kung fu magic said:
Vanbierk said:
I don't count the DS in sales because it cheats, it releases a new (renamed) edition every year or every other year now it seems...What do we have now Nintendo DS, DS Lite, DSi, and DSi XL?

It cheats?

In my opinion, a console that changes the actual features to add more to the newest revisions, doesn't really count as the same console anymore...that's a new generation of that console, just like the PSP and PSP Go should not be lopped into the same category...But hey, that's only my personal opinion, Oh, and "learn something"



Just waiting for that PS Vita to come out so I can play some full featured games on the go with that beautiful screen and control scheme...